Cortes' Test/Tren/Dbol Run

[quote]Cortes wrote:
Inner Hulk wrote:
D-Bol still seems like a poor oral choice here.

In all honesty, I have around 750 5mg dbol tabs sitting around and this cycle seemed like a good time to use them. Unless you don’t think I’m going to see any effect off of them I can’t see any reason not to use them. I don’t feel like buying any other orals and I probably wouldn’t even bother using any other orals if I didn’t have so many of the dbol tabs. [/quote]

Well it makes more sense now knowing you have such a large stock pile haha. I’ll be watching this thread to see how it works out for ya.

[quote]Inner Hulk wrote:
Yeah it just seems odd to throw primarily a bulking agent in with two injectables which are usually used in cutting cycles. I’m just saying I’ve rarely ever seen a prop and tren cycle with D-Bol. It seems as if a better choice would have been Var or winny.

None the less it will be interesting to see how it works with prop and tren. Look forward to hearing about it Cortes.[/quote]

But he has 2 cycles between now and his goal… so the dianabol’s water etc will be long gone before that date and he can take advantage of dbols Anabolism with the Prop AND test in order to bring up those lagging bodyparts…

Cortes, can you shed some light on what kind of training you’re going through during this cycle (besides the focus on the bodyparts you’re bringing up)?

[quote]HKDOOM wrote:
Cortes, can you shed some light on what kind of training you’re going through during this cycle (besides the focus on the bodyparts you’re bringing up)? [/quote]

Thanks for your interest, DOOM. You know, it’s not sexy, but I honestly go basically by how I feel from week to week and where I am getting results. On the one hand, this is probably the reason my strength in a lot of areas remains lower than it should be compared to my body composition, but on the other hand, strength is still way down there on the goal list, and I am definitely getting the results I want from a strictly bodybuilding perspective.

To give you an idea, though, I have a dedicated leg day, which revolves around lots of squats as a base, then hack squat or leg press, some quad extensions/ham curls, and a few different calf exercises. Back day involves upright rows, seated rows, pulldowns, basically pulls from every angle and sometimes I throw some heavy barbell or dumbbell shrugs in on top. Sometimes I throw shoulder work onto the end of this day, but I’m lucky in that my shoulders respond well to anything, so I don’t have to do much with them. I will change back day to deadlift day every once in a while, but, after a temporarily crippling back injury about 8 months back, I tend to tweak my back too often to mess with deads too much, unfortunately. Push day involves flat and or incline bench, then flat and or incline dumbbell stuff, then overhead presses, then pec deck. Then I’ll have a dedicated arm day, focusing all my energy on biceps and triceps and some forearm work at the very end.

I generally don’t work out more than 4 days a week even on cycle, because this is what works for me. Some people would probably say I should do more, but I get the results I want, so if it aint broke, why should I fix it?

I typically stay in the 4-8 rep range on the big heavy stuff, 8-10 on isolation exercises. Between 3-4 sets per exercise exept my first exercise of any workout is usually a heavy compound movement and I will usually push that first one to 5-6 sets.

I’m doing calves three days a week. I would have done between four and five days but last cycle I tried working them every day I gave myself an injury which was pretty counterproductive. I learned then that, as World has said before, you can still overtrain on AAS. I’ll also do abs at the end of my workouts around three days a week.

Next cycle before my show I will probably choose or design a more strict program for myself.

Here are some starting measurements:

L. biceps___17.25"
R. biceps___17.00"
L. forearm__13.75"
R. forearm__13.75"
L. quad_____21.00"
R. quad_____21.00"
L. calf______15.00"
R. calf______15.25"
neck_______19.00"
chest______48.00" (at the armpits. I have no idea how to properly measure chest, though, so who knows.)

Woah, am I starting to feel things kicking in now. I am getting terrific pumps that stay for hours, and my muscles are starting to develop a very hard fullness to them. I feel like I’m made out of pressed beef.

Also, it seems like the tren’s anxiety/irritation sides are about gone, too, and have been either replaced by a feeling of well-being or that is just the test and the tren “feeling” has just gone away. I’m still sleeping well. I sweat, but then again, I’d be sweating if I was at the North Pole wearing nothing but Mrs. Claus’ nighty. No stinky B.O. either. Seems like this BD tri-tren is some great stuff, at least if it is injected every day.

Today I only did arms and calves, so again, I have not really been able to properly measure strength increases, but I will get that chance this week and let you gentlemen know how it goes.

Since things are kicking in so strongly so quickly, I’m thinking of starting the dbol tomorrow instead of this Sunday.

I’m up 5lbs since the start, weighing in at 215 today. And this in on a (for me) reduced calorie, pretty clean diet.

Hope you keep this log going Cortes. I will be most keen to see what happens when you are on all three at once.
These are likely to be the same three main components of my next cycle. I’m still tossing around the prospect of Ace versus Enanthate on my Tren. Price, experience with Tren and saving pokes, has me leaning towards Enanthate but I have not flipped the switch yet. I too have always only ever used dbol to kickstart but more and more I like the thinking behind kicking with tren and then dbol-ing after a few weeks once things are even more saturated.

If you have the 5mg pills I’m thinking you got the Russian stuff, very nice. My favorite stuff too if that’s in fact what you got. Also if you got 750 of them might wanna consider 50mg ED. Its the dosage I use and recommend for dbol.

Keep it going.

[quote]sapasion wrote:
Hope you keep this log going Cortes. I will be most keen to see what happens when you are on all three at once.
These are likely to be the same three main components of my next cycle. I’m still tossing around the prospect of Ace versus Enanthate on my Tren. Price, experience with Tren and saving pokes, has me leaning towards Enanthate but I have not flipped the switch yet. I too have always only ever used dbol to kickstart but more and more I like the thinking behind kicking with tren and then dbol-ing after a few weeks once things are even more saturated.

If you have the 5mg pills I’m thinking you got the Russian stuff, very nice. My favorite stuff too if that’s in fact what you got. Also if you got 750 of them might wanna consider 50mg ED. Its the dosage I use and recommend for dbol.

Keep it going.[/quote]

I’m honored to have your participation in this thread, thanks, saps. I just started taking the dbol a couple of days ago, actually, and I probably will kick it up to 50mgs a day, now that you mention it.

Also, I have upped my prop and tren dosages every so slightly, I’m going ahead and running 100mgs ED prop and just under 75mgs ED tren, since I am having a great experience and almost zero sides so far. If I start to have any problems I’ll drop the tren back down to 50mgs a day, but I think I’ll be okay.

I mentioned before that I have stayed away from deadlifts lately because of a severe back injury a few months back. Truth be told, I haven’t done a deadlift in well over three months now, and the ones I was doing before were fairly low weight for me, because I was scared and being cautious as it seemed every time I pushed myself I would retweak my back. Well, I decided to see what happened today. I guess it was my first real indication of the true strength of the tren, which is really kicking in now. Previously, my maximum deadlift had been 420lbs. That was quite a while back, too. My injury occured repping out with around 350.

Well, today, I loaded up the bar and kept adding weight to see where it would take me. It didn’t take me long to get to 407! Remember, again, I haven’t deadlifted AT ALL in over 3 months, and haven’t done anything really heavy (for me) in probably over 6. I still had gas in the tank, but my psychological scarring took control and that point and I decided not to push any further.

My goals have never been strength related. I’m a pretty boy at heart. But this is getting fun now.

Nice. Yeah for most, especially me, the body’s strength takes to tren like a fish to water.
Just wondering do you load the tren and prop in the same syringe? I’m thinking you are.

Nice job, Cortes. These tren logs of late sure have me intrigued, to say the least.

And for the record, I’ve historically really enjoyed yours and Jelly Roll’s accounts. I’ve learned tons from the both of you. Thanks, and keep it up!

[quote]sapasion wrote:
Nice. Yeah for most, especially me, the body’s strength takes to tren like a fish to water.
Just wondering do you load the tren and prop in the same syringe? I’m thinking you are.[/quote]

Yeah. Actually, that’s one of the reasons I’m shooting more than I planned. It’s pretty easy to just get a little more in that syringe than you intended to when loading from two vials, if you know what I mean :wink:

And, I have stated this before and will once again, my lifts are all pretty weak for someone my size. I don’t think I was built for strength, so don’t anyone go getting suprised when they hear my big 3 numbers. I still intend to push them as far as MY body will take them, though.

[quote]5.0 wrote:
Nice job, Cortes. These tren logs of late sure have me intrigued, to say the least.

And for the record, I’ve historically really enjoyed yours and Jelly Roll’s accounts. I’ve learned tons from the both of you. Thanks, and keep it up![/quote]

5.0, you know I always appreciate your support. You’ve been there with me from the start. You’ve also taught me plenty (a lot of which I have yet to put into practice, unfortunately). And Jelly’s original thread was my inspiration for basically even starting to post on this forum.

I’ll try and continue to live up to your expectations :wink:

This is a great thread.

Great OP, and excellent folk reading and posting. This is what makes the forum so beneficial. Sure we gotta roll past all the bullshit and stuff, but when you finally get to the “gold” like this, it’s all worth it.

                 Good luck buddy,

Can’t wait to join the gang on the double T train!
Almost have everything in order for my run too. Hope it compares nicely, and in a unique way all it’s own to yours and Jellys logs. Very motivating stuff Cortes.

                ToneBone

Hey Cortes, do you do any good mornings in your training? They are fantastic for building up strength throughout the back and posterior chain. They’ve made a big difference in my squats and dealifts.

And 407 is a great number considering you haven’t deadlifted in over 3 months! Wait until you hit weeks 5-6, you’ll be repping out with those 4 plates a side!

Jelly

i did this one before but with the dbol week 1-4…
after the first month i had sharp pains in my kidneys…
i was drinking close to a galon of water a day since day one.

so i stopped and after a couple of weeks i was fine.

hope it works well for you cortes…good luck!!

[quote]Jelly Roll wrote:
Hey Cortes, do you do any good mornings in your training? They are fantastic for building up strength throughout the back and posterior chain. They’ve made a big difference in my squats and dealifts.

And 407 is a great number considering you haven’t deadlifted in over 3 months! Wait until you hit weeks 5-6, you’ll be repping out with those 4 plates a side!

Jelly[/quote]

You know what, JR, I do not do GMs. And the fact that you brought that up (and that you happen to have deadlift which I would shave my eyebrows like Vanilla Ice to have) has convinced me that I need to start opening my eyes to some different exercises and to changing things up. I’m going to start doing some research and change up my training, because I really have no excuse to still be stuck at some of the strength levels I am at. Thank you.

[quote]gunsxl wrote:
i did this one before but with the dbol week 1-4…
after the first month i had sharp pains in my kidneys…
i was drinking close to a galon of water a day since day one.

so i stopped and after a couple of weeks i was fine.

hope it works well for you cortes…good luck!![/quote]

Thanks gunsxl! But I hope I don’t have the same experience you did!

Just a small update, as I think there are some things I haven’t mentioned up until now.

I am taking .25mgs of Arimidex EOD. Don’t think I neglected that aspect of my cycle this time around, or ever again. I am neither bloated nor particularly dry, and my nipples are fine, so I think I have the dosage just about right for now.

I LOVE pinning every day. I seriously look forward to the moment after I step out of the shower before getting dressed for work. It is so reinforcing of everything I am doing. I’m also still pumped from my training session, and that further serves to reinforce the good feelings and associations I have with the needle.

I found out that, regardless of my good record with quad shots and enth, my quads do not like prop one bit. It is not a testicles-snipped-off-with-bolt-cutters crippling pain, but I live in Japan and teach kids and have to sit on the floor all the damn time so it is just NOT convenient. Because of that, for the first time, I have tried the old-fashioned glute injection site…Not bad at all. No pain or even sensation at the injection site, a little bit of trouble to reach, but not more so than delt, and no interfering pain the next few days, just a low, dull ache. More of a brushed-the-boys-against-a-deskedge pain, rather than anywhere near the aforementioned agony.

My muscles are growing, and full, and pushing out from the skin and I am filling out my clothes again, but without that fatass, tight in my own skin feeling I was getting last cycle, where I could hardly bend over to tie my own shoes and I felt like my eyes were squeezing shut. I think I get was Jelly is talking about about “holding” his weight better. I’m not quite where I was before, so we’ll see, but I feel fuller without the filler, as it is.

Good, good stuff!

[quote]Cortes wrote:
I LOVE pinning every day. I seriously look forward to the moment after I step out of the shower before getting dressed for work. It is so reinforcing of everything I am doing. I’m also still pumped from my training session, and that further serves to reinforce the good feelings and associations I have with the needle.

[/quote]

I felt the same way. Maybe it’s because we’re still new at this, but you know, after 8 weeks of everyday injections I still enjoyed my little morning ritual.

Jelly

[quote]Jelly Roll wrote:
Cortes wrote:
I LOVE pinning every day. I seriously look forward to the moment after I step out of the shower before getting dressed for work. It is so reinforcing of everything I am doing. I’m also still pumped from my training session, and that further serves to reinforce the good feelings and associations I have with the needle.

I felt the same way. Maybe it’s because we’re still new at this, but you know, after 8 weeks of everyday injections I still enjoyed my little morning ritual.

Jelly[/quote]

I hear you guys on that pinning feeling, it was fun when I was doing the phenylprop/mast eod, but I can’t do the weekends always, due to the situation at home. And then I also put some merit to the law of averages with regards to shooting all the time. It seems only logical, that after some time, if you shoot every day or eod, as compared to once or twice weekly, you could very well be more prone to the inevitable bad reaction/infection nightmare in the big picture.

This is not the case for most, but you know, it’s something to think about I think. No matter how careful we all are, it’s still a somewhat risky behaviour to be intramuscularly injecting these compounds into ourselves to a certain degree, and I’d rather take less chances.

I don’t think any of us would purposefully become complacent about it, but if you got in a habit of ed pinning, it is possible.

             Just my two cents, and I rarely see it happening to anyone, but it did happen to me and I've read of several other posters from time to time having a bit of a scare. Just something to think about is all. I think Rainjack said something along the lines of, if you do enough, eventually it's gonna happen to you. W/regards to cellulitis or infection. Which would really suck. I hung in there with mine, but I'll admit, I about shit a small brick at the time.

                   ToneBone

Sorry I’ve been so long in updating this thread guys. For a while there, I was feeling like there just wasn’t that much to report. No real amazing strength increases and nothing to get too excited over other than a nice, steady decrease in bodyfat% and increase in muscle mass.

Well, things appear to be changing now. I think the tren is just now starting to really kick in. You’ll recall just a few posts up in this thread that I was happy to pull 407lbs. off the floor after not having deadlifted for months and being afraid to due to a crippling back injury. Well, today seemed like a good day to see what I had in me. I loaded up the standard 6 plates to start, bent down, and then I just shot up. That amount of weight had never felt so light before. So I went ahead and put the 407 the I had pulled last time on. This one went up 5 times! Holy fecal teeth! So I decided, what the hell, let’s see what I’m capable of today. I threw 440lbs on the bar. This is 20lbs higher than I have ever pulled in my life. One thing I noticed is that, once everything else starts feeling so light, the PR attempts are not nearly so daunting. I very nonchalantly pulled that 440 off the floor for an easy double with gas left in the tank. Nice.

This is just the third week. I am now very excited about where things are going to go from here. Especially since, because of completely unforseen circumstances, my entire planned cycle is going to be reworked and become quite a bit longer. More on that very soon…