Cortes' Next Cycle

Pharma / TRT
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Well gentlemen, PCT is going smoothly and I’m feeling like the guy without a prom date, reading all of your great current cycle experiences. In order to kill the time between this one and the next one, I’m doing a lot of planning and a lot of dreaming.

I want to get all of your input well before I ever decide to implement. Before I go into what compounds I plan to use, I should get all of the caveats and explanations out of the way.

My overall goal is to enter a BB comp in late September. In the run up to that I figure I have time to run one short cycle with a short PCT and then another medium length cycle which will last up to around the day of the show. Show is untested. I’ve never competed before but of course if I enter I intend to take first place. I’ve seen the competition at this particular show and, although conditioning is pretty good, I’m pretty sure I’m bigger than all of the guys who enter, unless there is some wild card in there. Also I’ll be the only Western guy on stage, which should be entertaining.

My goal with the first cycle is to pack on a bit more muscle on my chest, bis and tris, and especially calves, while dropping to around 8% bodyfat. From there I intend to maintain through PCT and then cut hard for the last 8-10 weeks before the show on a second cycle.

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Now for the compounds I intend to employ.

As I stated in my PCT thread, I will definitely be using Test and tren. Probably in a 700/350 ratio. The tren I will be using is a British Dragon Tri-tren. I know, bad choice, but circumstances have left me with three 10ml, 150mg/ml vials. Basically I’m helping a guy I know import needles into Japan because they are highly regulated and expensive as hell here, and he has practically given me these vials in exchange. So I have them and hopefully they work out okay for me. I do intend to inject every day. Probably 50mgs. I would also like to use test prop, but, again cost being a factor, I am wondering if I could possibly get away with using enanthate because I can get that for about half the price I would pay for a vial of prop. World’s current cycle is enanthate based, and he seems to be getting exactly the kind of results I am interested in, so I’m thinking I might be able to get away with this.

World also suggested I kickstart with something, which I agree would be a great idea. I have a TON of dbol left over and it treated me really well last cycle so I will probably use that for about 3 weeks.

I’m not really that concerned about bloat, as this is not the cycle leading up to the show. That said, we will be entering beach season so I do want to look good. You guys will be happy to know I’ll be getting a tan as soon as possible. I’ll also be keeping the diet much cleaner than on my first go around.

So, I know this will change, but here is a first draft proposed cycle:

Week 1-8 Test En_____300mgE3D
Week 1-3 Dianabol_____40mgED
Week 3-8 Tri-Tren_____50mgED
Have plenty of Adex and will start using .25mg EOD when I start feeling I need it and bump up dosage from there if necessary.

For PCT I am thinking of using HCG around the 5th or 6th week of the cycle until the 8th, then dropping everything for 2 weeks and in Week 11 taking old fashioned Nolva 40/40/20/20.
Will probably also order some Cabergoline in case of prolactin induced gyno from tren, though I am not yet sure how to use this.

So there she is, boys. Let me have it. I know it is not the ideal cycle, but I am working within the logistical restraints of my limited funds and limited time. I look forward to your advice. Thanks for your time.

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Looks like you’re in a whole different realm with this one, Cortes. Given my severely limited knowledge, it sure looks well thought out. The only drawback is the tren, by no fault of yours. Tren seems so damn unpredictable, as far as how it effects people. I guess you don’t know until you give it try, though…

Are you starting this at the end of the taper? As in week 13?

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[quote]5.0 wrote:
Looks like you’re in a whole different realm with this one, Cortes. Given my severely limited knowledge, it sure looks well thought out. The only drawback is the tren, by no fault of yours. Tren seems so damn unpredictable, as far as how it effects people. I guess you don’t know until you give it try, though…

Are you starting this at the end of the taper? As in week 13?[/quote]

Basically I plan to start it around that time. I am going to America for a week at the beginning of April and when I come back to Japan I should have everything ready and get going then.

I’m both worried and excited about the tren. I was having a hard time sleeping on just test in the middle of my last cycle, so not being able to get to sleep is definitely going to be a concern of mine, but I’ve been facinated with this compound since I began studying it and I have been dying to try it. I figure the every day shots should at least keep my levels steady so I should get the least of the sides.

Question for Bushy, you said your mates experienced depression on this compound. Were they running it daily?

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What exactly is Tri-Tren? Is that three different esters? That may make for a bumpy ride. I assume you don’t have enough tren to run for all eight weeks?

I’d probably run the tren first, and then finish with the dbol, as the longer esters in the tren may make it harder to recover from (assuming there are multiple esters). Otherwise it looks fine to me.

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[quote]Schwarzenegger wrote:
What exactly is Tri-Tren? Is that three different esters? That may make for a bumpy ride. I assume you don’t have enough tren to run for all eight weeks?

I’d probably run the tren first, and then finish with the dbol, as the longer esters in the tren may make it harder to recover from (assuming there are multiple esters). Otherwise it looks fine to me. [/quote]

I have yet to receive it, but I am pretty sure it is 50mg ace, 50mg hex, 50mg en. And yeah, I imagined it would be bumpy hence the every day injections. I’ll have plenty of tren for this cycle with leftovers at the end, actually. I didn’t want to run the tren the full eight weeks because of recovery and shutdown issues, though I’m sure after 6 weeks it probably doesn’t make much difference. I may well take your advice on changing the orders of the two compounds, that sounds good. Thanks for the input, Schwarz.

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I am assuming that this is your mass cycle, using tren/test/dbol. I just finished up using this combo and have had mixed results. I was able to gain about 17 lbs and look great at a new weight. BUT, I think that I could have put on a lot more size if I were able to eat more. The tren killed my hunger. Even when I dropped the dose to 500mg/week I was not at 100% eating.

I know that you will be using only 350mg/week and that the negative effects may be lessoned. And it appears that you already have the product, so I’m not saying that you should not use tren. Chances are that you will come out looking great and not need to cut a whole lot of weight before your show.

I am just wanting you to be aware of this possible side. Tren will effect different people in different ways, the loss of appetite is a possibility. Be prepared to drink a lot of weight gainer shakes to keep your calorie intake up during cycle.

Good luck

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Coolio. Another Cortes cycle thread. Can’t wait to see if this one goes as smoothly. Okay, you had a bit of gyno trouble but you handled it and are better prepared for it.

You know I can’t give any advice on the cycle but I can at least toss in some opinions, physique-wise. You are solid as hell. I remember that when I saw your final pics I thought “I really wouldn’t want him to take a swing at me”. But you have big legs compared to your upper body. More like a Pride fighter than a BB. You will need to work on that. Calves I think are a problem for most folks so that’s a given. AND probably the biggest thing you can do to get first is to work on your posing. And how to use your posing to hide any weaknessess. A BB competitor from my old gym used to make sure his left leg was always slightly angled to the judges since the shape of it made it look smaller than the right. And he took first at provincials and second at the nationals. Just food for thought…

Oh, and CT posted this and it might be of use to you. www.zone-training.net/articles/BBGuide.pdf

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[quote]2thepain wrote:
I am assuming that this is your mass cycle, using tren/test/dbol. I just finished up using this combo and have had mixed results. I was able to gain about 17 lbs and look great at a new weight. BUT, I think that I could have put on a lot more size if I were able to eat more. The tren killed my hunger. Even when I dropped the dose to 500mg/week I was not at 100% eating.

I know that you will be using only 350mg/week and that the negative effects may be lessoned. And it appears that you already have the product, so I’m not saying that you should not use tren. Chances are that you will come out looking great and not need to cut a whole lot of weight before your show.

I am just wanting you to be aware of this possible side. Tren will effect different people in different ways, the loss of appetite is a possibility. Be prepared to drink a lot of weight gainer shakes to keep your calorie intake up during cycle.

Good luck[/quote]

Thanks 2thepain, you always have great advice.

One thing that I think will not be a problem is that I am not interested in putting on too much more mass except in certain areas. I am more interested in dropping bodyfat while enhancing certain portions of my physique. Because of this I was not planning on trying to shove in massive calories anyway. That said, I didn’t plan on eating like an anorexic 12 year old girl, either.

I’ll throw another idea out there. There is a blend I could get my hands on Test 200mg/Eg 200mg. It would mean reducing the test because I don’t want to go over 600mgs a week of Eq, but it would certainly take care of these appetite problems while hardening me up. Any thoughts on this, or would this just be too many compounds to mess with at once?

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[quote]MrZsasz wrote:
Coolio. Another Cortes cycle thread. Can’t wait to see if this one goes as smoothly. Okay, you had a bit of gyno trouble but you handled it and are better prepared for it.

You know I can’t give any advice on the cycle but I can at least toss in some opinions, physique-wise. You are solid as hell. I remember that when I saw your final pics I thought “I really wouldn’t want him to take a swing at me”. But you have big legs compared to your upper body. More like a Pride fighter than a BB. You will need to work on that. Calves I think are a problem for most folks so that’s a given. AND probably the biggest thing you can do to get first is to work on your posing. And how to use your posing to hide any weaknessess. A BB competitor from my old gym used to make sure his left leg was always slightly angled to the judges since the shape of it made it look smaller than the right. And he took first at provincials and second at the nationals. Just food for thought…

Oh, and CT posted this and it might be of use to you. www.zone-training.net/articles/BBGuide.pdf[/quote]

Thanks MrZsasz, that looks like a terrific guide! I’ll definitely be studying it. And I do know I need to work on my posing. Just posing for the camera on my last shots I was starting to realize what an art it is. Hard work, too. That will certainly be an area I focus on.

And I agree with you about the legs. Truth is, I just can’t allow my quads to get any bigger at this point without buying a new business wardrobe. So I’ll be doing low volume/high weight work with them, and high volume/high weight work on my calves. Believe it or not, legs used to be my worst bodypart. Until I found T-Nation.

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I hear that on the suit Cortes…

This past weekend I bought a new suit because I will be needing one for a funeral soon. I got a size 52 jacket with pants that don’t even have a true size-- they have legs to fit a 38, but a waist to fit a 32. Altogether, the tailoring is costing me about as much as the suit. So figure for one suit because of the way I am built, I have to pay a grand.

Maybe you’ll get lucky being in Japan… awful close to the Silk Road…lol

I was doing some thinking regarding your cycle.

You could finish with the tren with its hard look and avoid the dbol bloat. And Schwarz, I understand where you’re coming from with the suppression thoughts. Well what if you ran tren ace instead of the tri-tren? It clears the system much quicker and the strength/size gains are much more dramatic. Turns out I had a buddy use the tri-tren and he told me about it. And you’d obviously be able to begin your recovery quicker with the tren clearing your system quicker. That’s my suggestion anyway.

And as far as the kick start goes, I only used a week and I was running enan-- if you do it with prop, then you don’t really need one, it would just be a preferential thing. If you do though, only a week is needed. Then hold off until week 3 or so and then run tren+dbol. Not adding the Class IIs until the Class I is in full swing has worked marvelously for me.

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Wow, you’re really not afraid to step it up a notch are you, Cortes? Lol. I don’t really have any advice, just words of encouragement. I definitely look forward to seeing you do well on this, so good luck man!

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[quote]Whoa! wrote:
Wow, you’re really not afraid to step it up a notch are you, Cortes? Lol. I don’t really have any advice, just words of encouragement. I definitely look forward to seeing you do well on this, so good luck man![/quote]

Thanks, Whoa!

Yeah, I had a great experience on the last one and want to start trying to push my limits now. I’ll keep you guys updated as to where it takes me.

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[quote]World1187 wrote:
I hear that on the suit Cortes…

This past weekend I bought a new suit because I will be needing one for a funeral soon. I got a size 52 jacket with pants that don’t even have a true size-- they have legs to fit a 38, but a waist to fit a 32. Altogether, the tailoring is costing me about as much as the suit. So figure for one suit because of the way I am built, I have to pay a grand.

Maybe you’ll get lucky being in Japan… awful close to the Silk Road…lol

I was doing some thinking regarding your cycle.

You could finish with the tren with its hard look and avoid the dbol bloat. And Schwarz, I understand where you’re coming from with the suppression thoughts. Well what if you ran tren ace instead of the tri-tren? It clears the system much quicker and the strength/size gains are much more dramatic. Turns out I had a buddy use the tri-tren and he told me about it. And you’d obviously be able to begin your recovery quicker with the tren clearing your system quicker. That’s my suggestion anyway.

And as far as the kick start goes, I only used a week and I was running enan-- if you do it with prop, then you don’t really need one, it would just be a preferential thing. If you do though, only a week is needed. Then hold off until week 3 or so and then run tren+dbol. Not adding the Class IIs until the Class I is in full swing has worked marvelously for me.

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I’ll be thinking about all of this a lot. I may be able to get prop at a good price and will then use this instead of enanthate and that will change things around a little. 5.0 also suggested I brew my own, which is a great option, but I don’t have an oven, believe it or not, which kind of complicates things.

The tri-tren is, unfortunately, a given, because I pretty much own it already. World, what did your buddy say about his experience on this compound?

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Well you don’t necessarily need an oven… you could some other form of heat… like a stove…

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[quote]World1187 wrote:
Well you don’t necessarily need an oven… you could some other form of heat… like a stove…[/quote]

I’d love to hear more suggestions on how you guys would go about brewing without an oven. Perhaps it deserves it’s own thread, though, if it gets too complicated.

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[quote]Cortes wrote:
World1187 wrote:
Well you don’t necessarily need an oven… you could some other form of heat… like a stove…

I’d love to hear more suggestions on how you guys would go about brewing without an oven. Perhaps it deserves it’s own thread, though, if it gets too complicated.[/quote]

You could get a hot-plate or a bunsen-burner. My brother is sending me a bunch of lab equipment soon, and said a bunsen-burner would be the best way to go (so I guess that’s what I’m getting). When I get all my equipment and powders I’ll post it up on 5.0’s homebrewing thread, with pictures of the process, sort-of a step-by-step. I’ve just been crazy busy these days, so I think it’ll be in early March sometime.

I like where you’re going with your cycle. And I’ll second the idea of getting some test-prop if you can, to start it off.

Jelly

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With either a bunsen burner, or a hot plate or stove, you’d need a thermocouple (as Tim mentioned early on in the Home Brewing thread), or more simply a cooking thermometer. Something you could leave in the brew as it heated to monitor the temperature.

Don’t bunsen burners run off propane gas? Is that a big deal to get in Japan?

With a hot plate or stove top, I’m assuming the brew would be placed in boiling water as a means of heating. The biggest draw back I see there is running the chance of getting droplets of water in the brew. I guess I’d look for something with a small opening, or a tall container to reduce the chance of that happening.

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Thanks for the great ideas Jelly and 5.0. I’m still keeping my options open as to what I am going to do to acquire it, but the more I think about it, the more I think I’d be better off with prop no matter what the difference in cost. If I’m gonna run a short cycle, prop will most likely serve me better.

Based upon this line of thinking, here is the 2nd draft of my cycle:

Week 1-8 Test Prop____90mgED (630mgEW)
Week 1-6 Tri-Tren______50mgED (350mgEW)
Week 2-4 Dbol________40mgED

I figure the Class one should have kicked in very well after 7 days because of the short propionate ester. At this point I will add the Dbol for 3 weeks, hopefully reaping the benefits others have spoken of. I will stop the tren two weeks before the test in order to have the longer esters cleared by the end of my cycle.

I was also thinking of possibly switching to test enanthate at week 5 and using it until week 7 then waiting 2 weeks before starting PCT, but working out transitional dosages and such started getting complicated so I will have to keep working at it before I decide if I’m going to try that or not.

I also may start out at double the aforementioned injectable dosages and shoot EOD for the first week or two. If I don’t like what I am feeling then I will switch to ED at that point and see how things change for me from there.

Anybody have further thoughts and opinions regarding this new proposal?

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I definatley think you should stick to the ED protocol. Especially with that tri tren. You will just overall feel much better. The ED injections will start to be a bit much midway through, but then likely wont bother you too much for the last while.

Id stick with the same test ester all the way through and throw in some adex at .5mg EOD.

I also must agree that brewing on top of a stove is rather simple.