Here’s an idea:
Let’s call the 45 degree bent over row the 45 degree bent over row.
Let’s call the 90 degree bent over row the 90 degree bent over row.
I think that sounds pretty good.
[quote]Tim Henriques wrote:
Here’s an idea:
Let’s call the 45 degree bent over row the 45 degree bent over row.
Let’s call the 90 degree bent over row the 90 degree bent over row.
I think that sounds pretty good.[/quote]
Yeah, it is.
[quote]undeadlift wrote:
Tim Henriques wrote:
Here’s an idea:
Let’s call the 45 degree bent over row the 45 degree bent over row.
Let’s call the 90 degree bent over row the 90 degree bent over row.
I think that sounds pretty good.
Yeah, it is.[/quote]
Damn right!
With all of the other rowing options out there, I have no idea why anyone would want to do 90 degree bent over rows. I don’t know about anyone else, but I squat and deadlift quite often and don’t want to end up doing a 20-30 second isometric hold at 90 degrees with my lower back each time I row.
Plus, as conwict says, who uses bent over rows to target the lats primarily? Lats dominate the vertical plane, not the horizontal…
90 degree rows work the rhomboids and other muscles of the upper back that pull ups don’t get. They also improve shoulder imbalances that pullups can make worse. If I’m doing my other exercises with a barbell, I would just as soon continue with one rather than switch to a cable.
In the workout that I do them, I follow front squats and RDLs. It’s not really an isometric hold since you deload the bar between each rep. The weight is lighter compared to the RDL. I haven’t had any lower back issues as a result of this exercise.
[quote]stuward wrote:
90 degree rows work the rhomboids and other muscles of the upper back that pull ups don’t get. They also improve shoulder imbalances that pullups can make worse. If I’m doing my other exercises with a barbell, I would just as soon continue with one rather than switch to a cable.
In the workout that I do them, I follow front squats and RDLs. It’s not really an isometric hold since you deload the bar between each rep. The weight is lighter compared to the RDL. I haven’t had any lower back issues as a result of this exercise. [/quote]
I guess this was for my benefit, but I’m not sure that we’re on the same page.
90 degree rows are fine, it’s 90 degree bent over rows that I was talking about. During a bent over row, you are not only supporting the barbell, but also the weight of your entire upper body - all on your lower back, in an isometric hold.
However, during a seated cable row (for instance) your lower back is only contracting against the load you are rowing - thereby allowing a greater load and more focus on your rhomboids (which is the whole point, right?). If you are wanting to work your lower back, use good mornings, deadlifts, squats, whatever.
[quote]Dispenser wrote:
I care. Not in a “I’m better than X” way which I suspect you’re hinting at, which would indeed be egotistical, but in a “X’s performance gives me something to aspire to” way. So if X can Dorian Row 315x10, and I admire his physique and strength, maybe my Dorian Row should get closer to that. We often use others to judge our own progress in many areas of life, why should lifting be different?
But aside from that, it’s of great importance that we at least have our terminology straight. If one of the T-Nation coaches prescribes a certain routine, you had better know exactly which exercise they mean. And then when you tell a friend about it, they need to know what you mean, without needing you to demonstrate every exercise.[/quote]
I can see where you are coming from with this, I just don’t agree with it. I look at the “big picture” I guess when it comes to other lifters and not the actual numbers.
And with the understanding terminology if someone doesn’t know what sort of body position is best for them when it comes to developing the area of the back they want to target then they probably need to spend more time in the gym figuring it out the hard(and best) way and less time picking out new internet programs right?
That’s just how I see this issue. Do what’s right for you, worry more about getting significant progress long term on the key exercises you’ve figured out to work for you than if Johnny over there is doing his rows differently and you want to compare.
Dave_,
I like the bent over (w/ isometric hold, as you put it) 90 degree rows just because it feels good. I mean, your entire back contracts. And I like to think that if I can row 150lb 15 times (or whatever), I could also do that motion in a realistic (IE standing) circumstance. Kind of like how I like farmer’s walks, Waterbury walks, etc. Just feels like a movement pattern that could be useful.
conwict
PS, cool avatar. I am finishing up the last DT book.
[quote]Tim Henriques wrote:
Here’s an idea:
Let’s call the 45 degree bent over row the 45 degree bent over row.
Let’s call the 90 degree bent over row the 90 degree bent over row.
I think that sounds pretty good.[/quote]
I was just scrolling down the page in order to post this novel, cutting-edge idea I had and then I see you have posted it already. How on earth did you…
Where is my tin-foil hat, gosh darn it!
I may be trying to extend this thread past its expiration date (especially considering the tin foil hats that have now appeared)…but…
Anyone who appreciates bent-over rows ought to try push-up rows. Just grab two dumbbells, put them shoulder-width on the ground, get in a push-up position, and row away (one at a time works better).
[quote]conwict wrote:
(one at a time works better).[/quote]
LOL
You’re wrong… It’s 47.53490 degrees
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