Wow. I did check out some previous posts. In the other thread she said she was 99lbs and asking how to workout.
"If anyone reading has any encouragement or tips for how to get into serious training alone (how to start lifting heavy with no spotter? how to find out what weights I am capable of lifting? which basic exercises would be best to start out with and how to design a program around the classes and shifts I work) I would be so incredibly greatful. "
BeFreak, as someone mentioned, cholesterol and testosterone are a good thing and that can be found in a hamburger. If you haven’t spoken to the big guys, maybe you should and stop talking to their supplier about them.
Some of what you may consider appalling and obviously-wrong dietary practices may in fact for the reasons stated be reasonable and appropriate ways for those you criticize to reach their goals.
The point I wish to make of that though is that it goes broader than this: One of the surest ways in this field to instantly lose credibility is to argue against things known from experience to work, on the basis of “book larnin’.”
For example, most days I eat at least 12 eggs. Some days 15 or 18.
You may be appalled. No doubt you have books telling you that this is awful. Oh, the saturated fat! The cholesterol!
But if you authoritatively tell me or others who know that in practice this does in fact work well, and also does NOT harm the health, how bad it is and how we should stop, I and others are probably going to immediately and permanently dismiss you as being an expert.
Similarly to the doctor who tried prescribing me Augmentin within seconds after my telling her I was allergic to penicillin, and not out of a momentary mental failure but out of flat not knowing: that woman will never have credibility with me again. Shot in one second. Likewise for the doctor who promptly concluded and told me I had kidney disease on learning that I had a high protein diet. It’s possible to wreck professional credibility in a heartbeat.
Accordingly, it is necessary to have an open mind as to what practical experience shows to work – as well as having that background of practical experience. Lacking the latter, as your personal life, training, and diet experience greatly differs from those you are thinking about advising, it will be necessary to be especially careful about not providing book-correct but in-practice-wrong advice.
"Why are the yolks such a no-no? Surely as a complete protein source and a product designed to sustain growth and life they cant be that detrimental to a training diet plan? "
Aggro - Great Quote. My granddad brought me up on that saying, and of course youre right to use it, thankyou. However, how do I know they know nothing of training and nutrition? No, I didnt ask, I watched. I saw. And I’ve Listened. Yes? Have I gone up to them and told them I think their short-cut approach to training stinks? Of course I havent. Because I AM NOT ARROGANT. I’ve come here, because I’m conserned with what I have observed, and I’ve asked for assisstance from those I really thought knew better than these guys currently do (IE: YOU guys, NOT me!!!)
You’ve seen them eat? You bring up hamburgers and whatnot, but in the age of hawt abz and guys trying to gain mass on a 1500 calorie diet (but I use creatine in my shoe) if they’re big they’re doing something right aren’t they? You say fat, but is it sedentary needs to use a scooter at the market fat? Or is it Dave Tate pre PN diet fat? I think the approach you’ve taken here (and at the gym more than likely) puts people on the defensive. The whole tone of most of your posts is filled with a know it all attitude that a lot of us have experienced from PTs. You’ve gotten some sound advice, some people have taken some digs at you because of your tone. Suck it up, shut up, and read. Absorb the knowledge that you’ve been pointed towards.
Just to give you an example, we’ve got 1 PT at my gym. A gal that’s built around your size. She lifts, but her expertise is in the overweight housewife genre. When she does happen to get a guy that wants to build muscle, she knows enough to come up and introduce him to the bigger guys. Tells them what her client is looking for, and helps build a plan with their help. This showing of respect means that she is able to help her clients much more than if she just assumed she could do it all.
Hell something as innocuous as asking them if they read this site might be the icebreaker for some of them. If they are serious about lifting, and gear usage I’d be surprised if they haven’t stumbled onto T-Nation at least once. Approaching them as a new learning experience and if you’re willing to listen to what they have to say, you’ll have an easier time in helping them. Assuming they even want or need your help.[/quote]
Fuckin’ A right. On…well, all of it. Particularly the PT that actually WORKS WITH the bigger guys to come up with a plan. That’s a uniter not a divider. lol. Sorry pol. humor…
You’re completely right, I had a similar arrangement with a fellow PT in my last place of work (…not new to PT, you see) but I his appeal was mainly due to his mean face and shaved head - lol. I have just been thinking how am I now a fish out of water when faced with this new challenge, and came here in order to find out how to tackle the issue.
"Why are the yolks such a no-no? Surely as a complete protein source and a product designed to sustain growth and life they cant be that detrimental to a training diet plan? "
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Actually to me that’s a perfectly good and commendable post. She was provided with all kinds of idiotic published information against egg yolks and decided to question whether it was accurate, and was correct in her suspicion that it was not.
"Why are the yolks such a no-no? Surely as a complete protein source and a product designed to sustain growth and life they cant be that detrimental to a training diet plan? "
Actually to me that’s a perfectly good and commendable post. She was provided with all kinds of idiotic published information against egg yolks and decided to question whether it was accurate, and was correct in her suspicion that it was not.
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but as a trained nutritionist, why would she not already know?
maybe this is just a general nod about nutritionists? BrickNYce not included in that statement. I know he knows about egg yolks.
and my bad for going post-stalker BeFreak, I just started reading your other posts and got caught up
"Why are the yolks such a no-no? Surely as a complete protein source and a product designed to sustain growth and life they cant be that detrimental to a training diet plan? "
Actually to me that’s a perfectly good and commendable post. She was provided with all kinds of idiotic published information against egg yolks and decided to question whether it was accurate, and was correct in her suspicion that it was not.
but as a trained nutritionist, why would she not already know?
maybe this is just a general nod about nutritionists? BrickNYce not included in that statement. I know he knows about egg yolks.
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Thing you forget is that “trained nutritionist” doesn’t mean much because most “training” is scarily outdated. You just have to be “trained” or “certified” for you to work with any clients in public gyms. that’s why guys like me get shafted–I know a lot more than any trainer I’ve run across, but I don’t have a piece of paper from ACE (terrible!!) that says i know what I’m talking about.
It might be she’s trying to fight the outdated crappy disinformation that she’s been taught.
Not sure if she’s even reading here anymore, but OP, if i were you, i wouldn’t focus on changing their predetermined nutrition/juicing habits.
If anything i would try and get them to change their routine, if indeed they only do biceps and traps as you say. Just pick someone you think has potential and trains hard, and tell them you can get them better results in a month, then give them a program centered around the big 3. If they make good progress, and everyone else sees that, they’ll want a part of it.
If you can get them to follow you in routines, they’ll gain trust in you.
and then maybe, just maybe, you can move on to their nutrition etc.
Wow. I did check out some previous posts. In the other thread she said she was 99lbs and asking how to workout.
"If anyone reading has any encouragement or tips for how to get into serious training alone (how to start lifting heavy with no spotter? how to find out what weights I am capable of lifting? which basic exercises would be best to start out with and how to design a program around the classes and shifts I work) I would be so incredibly greatful. "
BeFreak, as someone mentioned, cholesterol and testosterone are a good thing and that can be found in a hamburger. If you haven’t spoken to the big guys, maybe you should and stop talking to their supplier about them.
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So, she just decided to start taking herself seriously 6 months ago and now wants to train other people?
This thread has been for the most part the most useless thread on T-Nation, so I think I’m going to start my training log on here.
Power Snatch (weight in kilograms)
40kg23
5022
6022
702
802
852
872 (191lbs, PR for a double)
881+miss (didn’t set up over the bar enough so ended up coming forward and losing the weight)
852*2
Deadlift (weight in pounds from this point on)
1355
2255
3153
3653 (switch to over under grip)
4053
Snatch Grip Oly DL
1355
22535
DB Rows
958
9525
Reverse Hyper
Abs on GHR
2 Cheesy double beef burritos and a grilled chicken burrito from T-Bell, washed down with a protein shake.
