I can only agree with Bill Roberts on this. She/he/it is a vacuous mind indeed.
[quote]beautifulfreak wrote:
buckeye girl wrote:
If its ok to call guys who are taking AAS “meatheads” and obese people “fat bags of shit”, it must be ok to call you “dumb anorexic cardio bitch”.
Wow. Yeah sure it would. Except I eat upwards of 2500cals a day and the only cardio I touch is adv spin classes which I get paid to do, and during which I mostly hill climb anyhow. But sure, go right ahead if turning this into a slagging match would make you feel better. Jeez.[/quote]
So I guess you got my point. Making assumptions based on a few stupid things you said, rather than getting to know you, and subsequently calling you names makes me sound like a huge bitch.
[quote]beautifulfreak wrote:
Hi Boys.
I’ve recently become a PT (specialising in sports nutrition) in the cheapest gym in my area. Its been an eye opener for sure.
All the places I’ve worked previously have been full of guys invested in their physiques through hard work and dedication.
It turns out this place is more frequented by your average Get-Big-Quick- Throw-A-Lot-Of-Weight-Around- Look-TOUGH types.
I’m offering meal ideas, macronutrient education, schedule coaching and training reviews…but to guys who go home to the needle not the noodles.
I write articles and leave them around the weights areas for intereted people to take home, hoping to pique some interest in my theory, since I am a 5ft 110lb female I get the impression I dont carry a lot of cred at the moment.
I know NOTHING about steriods, except for the fact that most of my potential clients would rather spend their money on that than on food.
What can I write to convince them to reevaluate?
I was thinking along the lines of “think long term” Ie; stop using start losing. Or “use food as your drug” etc
If anyone could give me some ammo against taking the low road so I can stand my ground in a conflict 
I’ve just never been interested in learning about steriods so I’m being faced with a totally unknown barrier here.
Thanks V much :-)[/quote]
So fucking ridiculous. I love how you automatically assume that those of us who are assisted know jack shit about nutrition and training, yah we are just meatheads. The biggest guys in the gym obviously have no idea wtf they are doing right? They got that way on accident. Clueless…
I’m happy you just “recently became a PT” and think you know it all. Like other posters said, how do you even know anyone is juicing? How do you know they aren’t eating? I’d be willing to bet $100 you haven’t even talked to these “meatheads”. But you just go ahead and remain nieve, continue to think that the biggest guys you see don’t eat food and just live off anabolics. That steroids magically create muscle out of nothing.
Why should I spend my hard earned money on your for? What success stories with clients do you have? I don’t give a fuck if you helped some lady go from 255 lbs to 200 lbs, whoop ti do! How many guys have you helped pack on 20+ lbs of muscle? None.
I know how to train, and I know how to eat, so why should I spend my money on a no name PT who is bashing something she knows nothing about when I can spend that same amount of money on some test and make great gains by myself.
No one is going to listen to you when you go around acting like you are better than everyone else. I mean this is just an opinion of a “non hardworking, meathead, juice guzzler” though, so what do I know? I’m just another guy who fits in your stereotype
Whew I’m glad I got that out of my system,. . .
Not quite,
Idiot
Ok I feel better now
/rant
Those Gotdamn steroid using meatheads that pick up on middle aged houswives and sleep with their daughters.
The bastards!
wtf, I don’t know these types of steroid users…it must suck to be where your from. lol JK
Sorry OP I just don’t see why your trying to help people who don’t want your help. Help the people that aren’t ‘meatheads’ in your gym or go to a different gym. In the end you want to find a way to convince them to listen to you so they pay you and you make more $$…well if they choose to not listen to you or pay you $$ don’t get mad, just find different clients.
No offense but I’m not even listening to some of the ‘big male trainers’ at my gym let alone a little girl, no offense so don’t take that personal. To be honest time spent in the ‘trenches’ is the knowledge I seek, not a bunch of certs. I hope you don’t take this personal and decide to write out some long drawn out response because after this post I’m not reading the thread anymore…so you can save your response if you like.
DG
BF, I don’t know what gave you the idea that I would care if you were disappointed in me or not.
I’ve found everything you’ve said here to be extremely ignorant and judgemental.
You are asking how to convince people to stop taking something which you admit you know absolutely nothing about. If you can’t figure out why that reeks of stupidity to others then you are truly lost.
These “meatheads” that you’re talking about don’t give a damn what you think. They aren’t going to hire you and, frankly, what they do with their bodies is none of your business.
You are no better than the men we bitch about on FA who feel they have the right to walk up to us and tell us to stop lifting weights because it’ll make up bulky. You are the female version of that creepy asshole in the gym who thinks he knows everything.
Grats on that, I’m done. Hopefully one day you realize what a tool you’ve been but I’m not holding my breath.
[quote]beautifulfreak wrote:
Aggro - Great Quote. My granddad brought me up on that saying, and of course youre right to use it, thankyou. However, how do I know they know nothing of training and nutrition? No, I didnt ask, I watched. I saw. And I’ve Listened. Yes? Have I gone up to them and told them I think their short-cut approach to training stinks? Of course I havent. Because I AM NOT ARROGANT. I’ve come here, because I’m conserned with what I have observed, and I’ve asked for assisstance from those I really thought knew better than these guys currently do (IE: YOU guys, NOT me!!!)
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You’ve seen them eat? You bring up hamburgers and whatnot, but in the age of hawt abz and guys trying to gain mass on a 1500 calorie diet (but I use creatine in my shoe) if they’re big they’re doing something right aren’t they? You say fat, but is it sedentary needs to use a scooter at the market fat? Or is it Dave Tate pre PN diet fat? I think the approach you’ve taken here (and at the gym more than likely) puts people on the defensive. The whole tone of most of your posts is filled with a know it all attitude that a lot of us have experienced from PTs. You’ve gotten some sound advice, some people have taken some digs at you because of your tone. Suck it up, shut up, and read. Absorb the knowledge that you’ve been pointed towards.
Just to give you an example, we’ve got 1 PT at my gym. A gal that’s built around your size. She lifts, but her expertise is in the overweight housewife genre. When she does happen to get a guy that wants to build muscle, she knows enough to come up and introduce him to the bigger guys. Tells them what her client is looking for, and helps build a plan with their help. This showing of respect means that she is able to help her clients much more than if she just assumed she could do it all.
Hell something as innocuous as asking them if they read this site might be the icebreaker for some of them. If they are serious about lifting, and gear usage I’d be surprised if they haven’t stumbled onto T-Nation at least once. Approaching them as a new learning experience and if you’re willing to listen to what they have to say, you’ll have an easier time in helping them. Assuming they even want or need your help.
waylanderxx - I’m not even going to read your post. You have not read the entire thread. I NEVER said EVERYONE who assisted knows NOTHING about nutrition. In a NUMBER of responses now I have CLARIFIED the different IMHO between athletes and meatheads. I’m not gonna say it all again. Good foryou if you educate yourself on excellent application and execution of correct training, nutrition and supplementation. These are NOT the guys in the gym I am in.
Dirty - I appreciate a lot of what you just said. I am definitley looking for “trench” info, the reason I came here was for just that - you guys will of course have more insight into a persons potential motivation to ABUSE than USE, which is the issue I am facing.
And so far, it DOES suck to be at the gym I am in, LOL, these members seem to make up a fairly large whack of the total atendees in any given day. Shoot a girl for tryna work with what she’s given?
OP, I wasn’t planning posting in this thread, but you’re so damn inconsistent, I just can’t help myself.
[quote]beautifulfreak wrote:
WHERE have I said I want to CONVINCE anyone to stop doing steriods? [/quote]
Hmmm… I don’t know, maybe in the title of the thread - “Convincing Meatheads to Come Off the Juice.” Oh, and also in your first post:
Is there something wrong with your short term memory?
[quote]beautifulfreak wrote:
waylanderxx - I’m not even going to read your post. You have not read the entire thread. I NEVER said EVERYONE who assisted knows NOTHING about nutrition. In a NUMBER of responses now I have CLARIFIED the different IMHO between athletes and meatheads. I’m not gonna say it all again. Good foryou if you educate yourself on excellent application and execution of correct training, nutrition and supplementation. These are NOT the guys in the gym I am in.
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I have read the entire thread, the only reason you “clarified” was to save face. The first post you made was how you actually think and so the rest is irrelevant.
BTW I’m eating 20 bagel bites right now, I guess on your chart you should take me out of the athlete side and drop me back into the meathead category b/c I have no idea about nutrition.
P.S. I had 6 crystal burgers last night, is there any hope for me?!?!?!
[quote]MarvelGirl wrote:
BF, I don’t know what gave you the idea that I would care if you were disappointed in me or not.
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nothing gave me that idea, I didnt realise I needed permission to express a reaction?
I quite obviously didnt intend to come across that way, I AM sorry for that, I have already said.
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You are asking how to convince people to stop taking something which you admit you know absolutely nothing about. If you can’t figure out why that reeks of stupidity to others then you are truly lost.[/quote]
No, I do get it. And about halfway through the thread, as a result of what someone said, I agreed that indeed what I should have said was how can I get someone to consider a well rounded approach to training rather than blasting a single high end avenue…
[quote]These “meatheads” that you’re talking about don’t give a damn what you think. They aren’t going to hire you and, frankly, what they do with their bodies is none of your business.[/quote] okay, fair point. But I dont have an awful lot of choice in the environment I find myself. Besides I never intented to preach. I really honestly truely do just give a shit about helping those who could benefit from something they had not considered before.
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You are no better than the men we bitch about on FA who feel they have the right to walk up to us and tell us to stop lifting weights because it’ll make up bulky. You are the female version of that creepy asshole in the gym who thinks he knows everything.[/quote] okay, sorry. I didnt mean to come across like that. I have never, and WOULD never walk to up to ANYONE and critisize anyone. And I never, ever said I knew everything. Of course I didnt say that.
Me too. 
Agrro - Appreciated and accepted, thankyou. To give you an idea, mobilty scooter probably not - but one of the guys looks remarkably like Daffyd from UK Little Britain…only with Caps and Traps to turn the Hulk green.
Being the only person here who isn’t going to be grimey. I STRONGLY reccomend that you learn some more about steroids, put on some more muscle, and do something that will impress “Them Meatheads”. If you’re the guy with the biggest guns in the gym, people are going to come to you for advice. If you’re the girl with a 52 inch waist, nobody is going to ask you for advice. If you can display something that the other guys desire to have, then you will have yourself a customer, in the mean time, try to avoid meathead and such. EVEN if you know the difference, blah blah blah, calling a black guy a negro is still not nice. Just my .02
BF I’m afraid the only way you can get back in our good graces is by PMing us nude pics of yourself.
Fair enough?
[quote]ctschneider wrote:
Is there something wrong with your short term memory?[/quote]
Lol, actually there is. Regardless, I accepted around halfway down the first page that what I meant to say was how can I get them to consider all options not just jump on what their spotter instructs. I reiteracte the agreement that my first post lacked thought and direction. I really didnt think it would turn into such a big deal, I wrote it while it passed through my mind on my way into work, but hey - we live and learn - next time get my intentions across better. Not a problem!
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
I have read the entire thread, the only reason you “clarified” was to save face. The first post you made was how you actually think and so the rest is irrelevant.
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No, it isnt at all. Its because I agreed I did not contruct my original post with enough forsight.
BTW I’m eating 20 bagel bites right now, I guess on your chart you should take me out of the athlete side and drop me back into the meathead category b/c I have no idea about nutrition.
P.S. I had 6 crystal burgers last night, is there any hope for me?!?!?!
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I dont have a chart hun, but as long as you are choosing your foods in relation to your goals you’ll get what you want out of your choices. Do you disagree with the statement that “3500 calories of ice-cream, pizza, chips and obviously won?t have the same effect as 3500 calories of clean-eatin?.” ?
musicma1n1, taken on board, I am in the process 
Its why I asked the question, its why I have a goal of +13lbs this year in addition to last. Progress is a constant process. Thanks for your 2c
If you want to get to know your potential clients, and what they use, research it a little.
http://www.figureathlete.com/free_online_article/features/the_magic_potion&cr=
It’s not everything you need to know, but it may open your eyes a little. Maybe you can see things from another perspective.
It was an interesting read for me. I too know nothing at all about steroid use.
LR
[quote]beautifulfreak wrote:
I dont have a chart hun, but as long as you are choosing your foods in relation to your goals you’ll get what you want out of your choices. Do you disagree with the statement that “3500 calories of ice-cream, pizza, chips and obviously won?t have the same effect as 3500 calories of clean-eatin?.” ? [/quote]
Dave Tate ate 10,000 calories of ice cream, pizza, and chips a day. Go tell him he doesn’t know what he’s doing.
You are aware of the term bulking right?
Guys come check out the REAL version of this thread in the steroids forum.
It’s called “How to Convince Hardworkers to Come On the Juice.”
BF, why do you ASSUME that the ‘meatheads’ at your gym are using AAS? Several posters have asked you this question and you have danced around it through the entire thread. This is one of the main reasons that people have formed a negative opinion of you.
I have never ever, in any gym I have ever stepped into, seen a group of guys openly talking about their personal AAS use. I know many individuals who have chosen to use AAS, and they use a tremendous amount of discrention when it comes to when, where, and with whom they speak to about their AAS.
Since you already stated you have not spoken directly with the ‘meatheads’ in your gym about their AAS use, then how in the world do you ‘know’ what they are using and if they are even using at all? No sane user would take their gear with them to the gym, so I know you have not seen any physical evidence. Unless you spend your time eavesdropping on the members, you have no evidence to base your ASSUMPTIONS of the members’ AAS use on.
And of all the people to speak to about personal AAS use, I guarantee you that a small female PT like yourself would be one of the last people a user would choose to speak to about AAS.
Secondly, why do you ASSUME that everyone who is on AAS knows nothing about proper nutrition and training. You made this assumption several times throughout the thread and have provided any evidence to justify your claim whatsoever throughout this entire thread. This is a major pitfall in your argument against the ‘meatheads’ in your gym.
The users I have met are the most knowledgeable sources concerning training and nutrition i have yet to encounter in the real world. They are also the biggest and most developed. I would listen to their advice before any common PT.
The way you have worded your argument makes it sound as though you believe that using AAS is a magical shortcut that requires no hard work and knowledge. AAS have their time and place, and in the hands of an educated user, they can be properly and safely used to take a man’s physique to the next level.
Finally, you’re a punk:
[quote]beautifulfreak wrote:
okay, sorry. I didnt mean to come across like that. I have never, and WOULD never walk to up to ANYONE and critisize anyone. [/quote]
You rant and talk shit about your gym’s ‘meatheads’ in a thread on the internet. You talk about how uneducated they are, how rude they are, how they intimidate and bully other members, how cavalier they are with their supposed AAS use, etc.
As far as I’m concerned, your character is worse than theirs.
You’re the type of person to talk shit about people behind their backs while never having the confidence nor honor to repeat your opinions to their face. You point out the flaws of others and criticize their choices from a distance. I guarantee you will never have the balls to walk up to one of the ‘alleged’ AAS users in your gym and tell him the opinions you expressed in this thread.
Get off your high horse and mind your own business, you coward.