You are so incredibly insulting and ignorant.
Do you refer to your overweight clients as fat pieces of shit? Because that’s basically what you’ve done with the “meatheads”.
Latspread - thankyou for reading what I’m really writing and for offering a helping hand. This is a national chain, perhaps if I mentioned the brand you would all be going “ohhh! Riiight…I seee!” lol.
imhungry - not sure what strongarm tactics are, but I dont remember being sarcastic yet at all. And if I was, you can bet its due to frustration that no-one is really reading what I’m asking and defense against all the uneccessary negativity. I came here under the IMPRESSION that this was an intelligent group - and I was looking forward to learning, but I think I will stick to the articles - written by people gurenteed to be intelligent.
Bill Roberts - Did I offend you because I did not roll over and grovel in the presence of your superior wisdom? Shame on you.
arnold started taking roids when he was 13 and ended up being one of the hardest training bodybuilders… and still has a lot of his mass… tho with some fat but still
Big Aristotle. You’ve not read a word I’ve written, have you. a) I WORK in a large commercial gym. b) [quote] There are 7 other PT’s targetting the studio bunnies with bosuballs…I teach classes (no, not aerobics ;)- circuits, ironman-style park group training, advanced spin and bodypump) [/quote] all strength based activities there then, no raised leg balancing going on there…
PLEASE tell me where I was judgemental. I have said about 15 times all I came here for was INFORMATION with which to PROCEED through LEARNING from. I at NO point said I was AGAINST ANYONE using ANYHTING, only that I’d prefer they nailed ALL their bases instead of going straight for the hardercore options…WHICH MANY OF THE MEMBERS ARE DOING. They eat McD’s (oh and funmental? Did I say they ditched the fries? No, no I didnt. They do not. And they get a shake to go with, ya get me??) they guzzle beer and they train biceps and traps, THATS IT!! THAT is a good enough platform to bein cycling shit? NO! it isnt, is it!!
I cant believe how much you are all on the defence, if one of you had even pictured the situation instead of jumping on the hate bandwagon, we’d all of got what we wanted out of this thread; instead of just me.
I got the info I came for via many helpful PMs and a cuple more genuine responses in the thread. You all want me to back down and slink off but you’re gonna be dissapointed, I’m not the kind to say I’m wrong if I’m not. I’m not closed minded, I’m not judgemental. I never ONCE said I dissaproved, I never once said I wanted to change anyones supp use, I ONLY want to make sure these guys arent causing themselves pride before a huge f-ing fall by nailing the subs before covering the basics.
We’re getting somewhere, slowly 
Bushidobadboy, I was looking for ways to approach these guys with an angle to get them to consider their current approach of “end results before grind”
Marvelgirl, Like there being a different between “overweight clients” (one of whom I used to be!!) and actual fat bags of shit (the ones who get a gastric band and pop it the next day because they passed Cinnabon) I feel well within my rights to call guys who dont learn about training and jump straight onto gear and intimidate less imposing gym users whilst they monopolise the weights area in the gym MEATHEADS. Yes, I will call them that, because they are. They’re the ignorant ones, surely!
[quote]beautifulfreak wrote:
Bill Roberts - Did I offend you because I did not roll over and grovel in the presence of your superior wisdom? Shame on you.[/quote]
Another problem you have, besides erroneous assumptions and lacking the ability to be able to see them even after they are pointed out – and further being so mentally lacking as to remain completely unaware and to deny that there were any assumptions at all, despite the fact that almost all things have assumptions behind them and anyone brighter than a 15-watt anti-bug light usually recognizes this – is your attitude that recognizing one’s own error is to “roll over and grovel.”
People with attitudes like yours never learn. It is useless attempting to communicate with them. For example, in this instance there’s zero chance you will grasp the points I made to you – no amount of repeated explanation could do the trick, since to you, recognizing that you were wrong on those points would constitute, supposedly, rolling over and grovelling.
Not that you’ll listen, but just for the sake of being closer to being complete, actually there’s yet another assumption you are operating under. Specifically, that a personal trainer is likely to be obtain as clients and be paid by persons whom she totally disdains. Unless you are remarkably skilled at being two-faced, this assumption will prove wrong.
The reason for writing out the above 4th assumption was for all the other readers out there, not you, as you don’t have the personality type to be able to accept anyone pointing such things out.
Accordingly: goodbye. Good luck on your zero-chance mission of yourself being someone steroid users will listen to on the subject of steroids as a consequence of taking yourself from admittedly zero knowledge to what knowledge you may or may not glean from a single thread on a board.
Again with the assumptions, how do you know they don’t know anything about training, or nutrition? In your eyes their merely guilty because they don’t listen to you. Yet by your attitude and arrogance, you’ve given them more reason not to listen to you.
[quote]There once was an owl who lived in the oak.
The more he saw the less he spoke.
The less he spoke, the more he heard.
Why can’t we all be like that wise old bird?[/quote]
[quote]beautifulfreak wrote:
I am fully qualified in nutrition (so yes, I do “specialize”) I have been awarded … blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
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Oh, wait-- I think I see the problem…
[quote]beautifulfreak wrote:
You all want me to back down and slink off but you’re gonna be dissapointed, I’m not the kind to say I’m wrong if I’m not. I’m not closed minded, I’m not judgemental. I never ONCE said I dissaproved, I never once said I wanted to change anyones supp use, I ONLY want to make sure these guys arent causing themselves pride before a huge f-ing fall by nailing the subs before covering the basics.[/quote]
Except that none of this is true.
First off, you are wrong in a lot of your assumptions and apparently can’t see it. This is the very definition of close minded.
Second, you need to make up your mind. Teaching proper nutrition is one thing, convincing someone to stop doing steroids is another, MAKE UP YOUR GODDAMN MIND WHICH ONE YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT IN THIS THREAD.
If this is about the nutrition thing, as you seem to say everytime someone points out that you said something stupid about steroid use, then the best way you can do this is to approach them as a different clientele. I don’t pretend to know half of what some of the gear users hear know, but I know that someone on steroids will have different nutritional needs (off the top of my head I’d think they need more cholesterol and saturated fat in their diet to convert to test, but this could be completely wrong).
The people on this board KNOW what these exact people should be doing, but what they are trying to get across to you, is that with your attitude, no one is going to want to work with you.
Also, you sound like an idiot when you speak.
If you despise these meatheads so much then why do you hang out with them?
Or do you just work in a gym where people guzzle beer while they lift.
Pull your head out of your ass, you ARE making assumptions about these guys OR you’re following them home, which is equally unacceptable.
lol, Bill? Your post was one of the ones I nodded an appreciation to? I understood what you were saying. I would certainly roll over and grovel to anyone who actually proved me to have said any of the “closed minded” things they were insinuating I had! I had no problem with what you said to me, it was other less necessary negativitey I was responding to…really.
Aggro - Great Quote. My granddad brought me up on that saying, and of course youre right to use it, thankyou. However, how do I know they know nothing of training and nutrition? No, I didnt ask, I watched. I saw. And I’ve Listened. Yes? Have I gone up to them and told them I think their short-cut approach to training stinks? Of course I havent. Because I AM NOT ARROGANT. I’ve come here, because I’m conserned with what I have observed, and I’ve asked for assisstance from those I really thought knew better than these guys currently do (IE: YOU guys, NOT me!!!)
SteelyD - There seems to be a malfunction in your quoting ability. Also, perhaps in your ability to read further than the first post in a thread.
Bushido - Like I’ve said, perhaps incoherantly, I’ll try again to get what I mean across - I am not trying to change their approach in that I want them to stop what theyre doing and do what I say. I am not that rediculous. They obviously know they want to use drugs. Do they know that nutrition can HELP? I have always had the notion that a collaboration of sucessful methods encourages the best ALL ROUND approach??? Or else how do we ever improve?
I will definiltey continue to target the over-provided-for female fat loss market, HOWEVER, as many of you have critisized my potential business ability - HOW are you also telling me that seeking to target an untapped market with a USP is a BAD IDEA? Mind boggling
WHERE have I said I want to CONVINCE anyone to stop doing steriods? I’ve made up my mind, long time ago, I chose to study nutrition papers not sit exams in anti-drug campagining!
I completely agree. This is the reason I thought I’d head over here to see what a group of guys with similar goals and superior knowledge thought about how to go about this.
[quote]I don’t pretend to know half of what some of the gear users hear know, but I know that someone on steroids will have different nutritional needs (off the top of my head I’d think they need more cholesterol and saturated fat in their diet to convert to test, but this could be completely wrong).[/quote] You and me alike not claiming to know what they dont. I take your point on board - very interesting, thankyou! And I will definitley look into this particular idea FIRST, this is exactly the info I came here to receive.
[quote]The people on this board KNOW what these exact people should be doing, but what they are trying to get across to you, is that with your attitude, no one is going to want to work with you.[/quote] I know they know, thats why I am asking them. You have all grossley missinterpreted my attitude, and for that I am genuinely apologetic, I SHOULD have put more throught into my initial post, however, no turning back now - I just wish the people responding to this thread would read my subsequent explanations and give me some benefit of the doubt as someone who actually cares enough to research a potential market INSTEAD of just busting on into the weight room throwing salad leaves at lifters!!
Well, thats hurtful and unecessary, and also probably unfounded. How do you know how I speak? I have a perfectly acceptable BBC accent thankyou. If you’re talking about my ability to express myself - I dont think its too bad…although I admit I do type what flows through my mind instead of compiling a structured formal entry. There are worse than myself residing on this site, at least give me that much.
lol, Bill? Your post was one of the ones I nodded an appreciation to? I understood what you were saying. I would certainly roll over and grovel to anyone who actually proved me to have said any of the “closed minded” things they were insinuating I had! I had no problem with what you said to me, it was other less necessary negativitey I was responding to…really.
Aggro - Great Quote. My granddad brought me up on that saying, and of course youre right to use it, thankyou. However, how do I know they know nothing of training and nutrition? No, I didnt ask, I watched. I saw. And I’ve Listened. Yes? Have I gone up to them and told them I think their short-cut approach to training stinks? Of course I havent. Because I AM NOT ARROGANT. I’ve come here, because I’m conserned with what I have observed, and I’ve asked for assisstance from those I really thought knew better than these guys currently do (IE: YOU guys, NOT me!!!)
SteelyD - There seems to be a malfunction in your quoting ability. Also, perhaps in your ability to read further than the first post in a thread.
Bushido - Like I’ve said, perhaps incoherantly, I’ll try again to get what I mean across - I am not trying to change their approach in that I want them to stop what theyre doing and do what I say. I am not that rediculous. They obviously know they want to use drugs. Do they know that nutrition can HELP? I have always had the notion that a collaboration of sucessful methods encourages the best ALL ROUND approach??? Or else how do we ever improve?
I will definiltey continue to target the over-provided-for female fat loss market, HOWEVER, as many of you have critisized my potential business ability - HOW are you also telling me that seeking to target an untapped market with a USP is a BAD IDEA? Mind boggling
WHERE have I said I want to CONVINCE anyone to stop doing steriods? I’ve made up my mind, long time ago, I chose to study nutrition papers not sit exams in anti-drug campagining!
I completely agree. This is the reason I thought I’d head over here to see what a group of guys with similar goals and superior knowledge thought about how to go about this.
[quote]I don’t pretend to know half of what some of the gear users hear know, but I know that someone on steroids will have different nutritional needs (off the top of my head I’d think they need more cholesterol and saturated fat in their diet to convert to test, but this could be completely wrong).[/quote] You and me alike not claiming to know what they dont. I take your point on board - very interesting, thankyou! And I will definitley look into this particular idea FIRST, this is exactly the info I came here to receive.
[quote]The people on this board KNOW what these exact people should be doing, but what they are trying to get across to you, is that with your attitude, no one is going to want to work with you.[/quote] I know they know, thats why I am asking them. You have all grossley missinterpreted my attitude, and for that I am genuinely apologetic, I SHOULD have put more throught into my initial post, however, no turning back now - I just wish the people responding to this thread would read my subsequent explanations and give me some benefit of the doubt as someone who actually cares enough to research a potential market INSTEAD of just busting on into the weight room throwing salad leaves at lifters!!
Well, thats hurtful and unecessary, and also probably unfounded. How do you know how I speak? I have a perfectly acceptable BBC accent thankyou. If you’re talking about my ability to express myself - I dont think its too bad…although I admit I do type what flows through my mind instead of compiling a structured formal entry. There are worse than myself residing on this site, at least give me that much.
Marvelgirl - I’m dissapointed. I am not making assumptions about anyone. Like I said to Aggro, all I’m saying is from all I’ve seen. Like I said in a couple of previous posts in this thread, YES, I HAVE observed their behaviour regarding beer guzzling after the gym, and I HAVE heard them talking about how “bladdered” theyre gonna get that night in between sets of shrugs.
I once had a conversation with one particular (regular) guy who walked into the club still clutching his McD’s shake cup and half a BigMac. Of course it started out as a joke when I said to him he was making the girls mouths water (meaning the smell of beef and the thought of food on a saturday afternoon) and he held up a gun, flexed a pose and quipped “nah its roid rush doing that, they love it the horny bitches!”
You wanna defend him?
[quote]MarvelGirl wrote:
Or do you just work in a gym where people guzzle beer while they lift.
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At my gym we have these two beasts that take a shot of jack in between really heavy sets of either squat/deads/bench press. I have no idea how they dont throw up lol…good times…
OP Why not try and help people who want to help themselves, rather than waste your time on people who are confident in their approach. There are PLENTY of people that would love your advice that you could spend your time with…
[quote]beautifulfreak wrote:
We’re getting somewhere, slowly Bushidobadboy, I was looking for ways to approach these guys with an angle to get them to consider their current approach of “end results before grind”
Marvelgirl, Like there being a different between “overweight clients” (one of whom I used to be!!) and actual fat bags of shit (the ones who get a gastric band and pop it the next day because they passed Cinnabon) I feel well within my rights to call guys who dont learn about training and jump straight onto gear and intimidate less imposing gym users whilst they monopolise the weights area in the gym MEATHEADS. Yes, I will call them that, because they are. They’re the ignorant ones, surely![/quote]
If its ok to call guys who are taking AAS “meatheads” and obese people “fat bags of shit”, it must be ok to call you “dumb anorexic cardio bitch”.
[quote]soontobeIFBB wrote:
At my gym we have these two beasts that take a shot of jack in between really heavy sets of either squat/deads/bench press. I have no idea how they dont throw up lol…good times…
OP Why not try and help people who want to help themselves, rather than waste your time on people who are confident in their approach. There are PLENTY of people that would love your advice that you could spend your time with…[/quote]
REALLY? lol, excellent. I believe beer to be slightly more full of physique-fluffing shite than hard liquor though, which is the only reason it concerns me.
I certainly will continue to work with those who you quite rightly suggest would be more receptive to my assistance, however I find it contradictory that people here are telling me I’m going to fail in a business environment whilst also telling me not to target an untapped market with what I believe is a USP (geniune interest, lifestyle coaching and nutritional support) is a BAD IDEA? Why is helping a guy figure out how to GET 3000+ calories and prepare mood in portable meals a bad thing? I’m afraid I just dont get it yet, still.
[quote]beautifulfreak wrote:
lol, Bill? Your post was one of the ones I nodded an appreciation to? I understood what you were saying. I would certainly roll over and grovel to anyone who actually proved me to have said any of the “closed minded” things they were insinuating I had! I had no problem with what you said to me, it was other less necessary negativitey I was responding to…really.[/quote]
Well, if you accept it’s incorrect that:
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A person knowing nothing about steroids can possibly gain sufficient knowledge in any short period of time for steroid users to listen to them on on the subject,
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That there is any need whatsoever for a person to stop using steroids or use them differently for them to be interested in proper nutrition or be willing to pay for such advice,
and 3) That you are likely to be able to obtain as clients people whom you totally disdain,
… then the “negativity” in saying that it’s not intelligent to fail to recognize these things was not called for.
But if you do accept them then it would follow that the goals of your original post, including “convincing meatheads to come off the juice,” were completely whacked. At best.
[quote]buckeye girl wrote:
If its ok to call guys who are taking AAS “meatheads” and obese people “fat bags of shit”, it must be ok to call you “dumb anorexic cardio bitch”.
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Wow. Yeah sure it would. Except I eat upwards of 2500cals a day and the only cardio I touch is adv spin classes which I get paid to do, and during which I mostly hill climb anyhow. But sure, go right ahead if turning this into a slagging match would make you feel better. Jeez.