Cleans and Snatches for MASS

Bigger Stronger Leaner
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Arnold competed in Olympic WEIGHTLIFTING at that time. NOT BODYBUILDING. Everybody you have mentioned you said did them at ONE point. They didn’t do them WHILE THEY WERE…BODYBUILDING.

I DON’T SEE ANY PROS DOING ANY KIND OF SNATCHES OR CLEANS!!! BECAUSE THEY DON’T !!!

You found one person who did, Phil Heath. The first and only who actually used it “apparently” in his bodybuilding routine; and that wasn’t something he did consistently.

His workouts are always the very basic movements - he doesn’t waste his time doing Olympic Lifting, Olympic lifts are for olympic lifts , not for bodybuilding, the same way bodybuilding movements are for bodybuilding, not olympic lifting.

Hell guys, let’s all go get huuuuuuuuge off Clean and Pressing 400+ pounds! Seems like it’s really making some of those Olympic competitors become total mass monster freaks./sarcasm

Olympic lifters have nothing even remotely close to being ‘bodybuilding’ big except quads and gasp they do TONS and TONS of front and back squats, a widely used BODYBUILDING movement.

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Ethan7X, why haven’t you left this site? You’re a beginner, but you think you’re a veteran. People like Chris Colucci will always make you look pathetic, because they have experience and knowledge to back up their claims. No-one cares about the advice you have to offer because your physique and strength levels are mediocre, and you have very little real world experience.

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[quote]Consul wrote:
Ethan7X, why haven’t you left this site? You’re a beginner, but you think you’re a veteran. People like Chris Colucci will always make you look pathetic, because they have experience and knowledge to back up their claims. No-one cares about the advice you have to offer because your physique and strength levels are mediocre, and you have very little real world experience.[/quote]

Do you want me to get one of the several IFBB or IFPA Pros from my gym to come on this website and tell you Cleans are not ideal for bodybuilding?

Maybe you should run that by someone on “This website” like Professor X or KingBeef.

Let’s see what they think about snatches and hang cleans for bodybuilding.

Please just stop,it just looks retarded.I am not giving out any knowledge, I’m giving out the knowledge OF PROS that they tell widely and know 1,000x more than you.

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Ronnie played Division 1 football.

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[quote]Consul wrote:
Ethan7X, why haven’t you left this site? You’re a beginner, but you think you’re a veteran. People like Chris Colucci will always make you look pathetic, because they have experience and knowledge to back up their claims. No-one cares about the advice you have to offer because your physique and strength levels are mediocre, and you have very little real world experience.[/quote]

x10

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Somebody in this thread just got owned…don’t worry I won’t point fingers…Cleans, snatches and Olympic lifting in general has been proven to grow whole body mass in a short period of time. They also help to increase explosiveness and promote growth of the fast twitch muscle fibers…which you need to be a muscular beast (for various reasons). Colliegate and Professional football, basketball, baseball and hockey players use them in the offseason to add considerable size.

Used in the correct applications, Oylmpic lifting is just as hypertrophy promoting as Squats and Deadlifts. There is no doubt in my mind that a bodybuilder can use various applications of these lifts to improve their overall asthetic appearance. I have included a variation of the clean, called the squat clean into my leg days and my lower back and leg growth has been steady.

Please…let’s not be wrong and strong.

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Ethan’s an absolute troll, no way he ever leaves without being forced out.

It’s funny for me to read threads like this, since I have his screen name blocked, all I end up seeing is quoted text.

One other thing, I’m on board with everyone else who loves cleans. Power cleans have affected my body more positively than any other single exercise.

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Im certainly no bodybuilder by anyones standards, but since incorporating high pulls, snatches from hang and cleans from hang my shoulders have gone from my weakest to one of my strongest body parts in the last couple months of using them. But I’m not a pro so apparently that doesnt mean shit.

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Rob Adell and Klokov

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/396219_339316219414912_339314606081740_1437765_1421638501_n.jpg

http://www.bbmania.com/gnuboard/data/file/musclegallery/data_111musclegal_1342694341_f.jpg

Screw them skinny kids!

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LOL once again nobody has shown one single top notch competitive bodybuilder who uses any of the olympic movements. It’s all “Well I did this” or “I did that”,or “Oh that guy USED to do it while he was OLYMPIC LIFTING or PLAYING FOOTBALL”. Chris actually showed Phil did them, and he is the ONE and ONLY who did it while bodybuilding.

Ironically enough,Phil doesn’t even use them anymore and NEVER did consistently. His shoulder workouts have always been the BASIC bodybuilding movements. He perhaps used your “olympic movement” here and there to do something,but it wasn’t consistent.

For all the people who are still in consistent denial,and fail to show any evidence/proof; let me demonstrate to you what Shoulder workouts since the DAWN of time in Bodybuilding have looked like and ALWAYS have WORKED:

#1. A Pressing Movement (Standing,or Seated)
#2. A Side Lateral
#3. A Rear Lateral
#4. A Front Lateral

Possibly more variations of Raises, possibly more than one press.

Stop beating around the bush and be straight forward. So tired of seeing people try to ‘reinvent the wheel’.

No. Cleans and Snatches are NOT USED by people who are the real mass monsters walking around this earth that are placing top in the Olympia and Bodybuilding Competitions worth noting.

I don’t care what YOU, some RANDOM guy on this website, CT, or some CURRENT bodybuilder did 20 years ago when he was playing football/olympic lifting, and every other one of the 1000 scenarios you keep trying to build up.

The facts are the facts. Do you see Ronnie Coleman,Lee Haney,Arnold Schwarzenneger,Dorian Yates,Jay Cutler,Branch Warren,Kevin Levrone, or anybody in that league doing Cleans or Snatches as part of their **BODYBUILDING ROUTINE?!?!?! . AHEM, LET ME REPEAT:

BODYBUILDING ROUTINE.

NOT WHAT THEY DID WHILE OLYMPIC LIFTING OR POWERLIFTING OR WHAT THEY DID IN THE 60’S.

ANSWER: NO!!!

/thread

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Your argument is valid becouse them olympic weighlifters aren’t even jacked

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Mods, can we please do something about this?

The constant trolling posts are really bringing down a lot of threads

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Yes, nobody likes Ethan and he admitted quite freely in his second post in this topic that he has no knowledge of the subject yet still felt the need to lend us his uninformed opinion.

Edit: …and, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, everybody just Google Ethan7x before replying to his posts so you can get an idea of the kind of guy you are dealing with. He has a lengthy topic on another forum, with pictures of his lack of development, as well as information contradicting a lot of his lies here (a history of training that is a lot longer than what he has claimed on some of his first few posts here).

[quote]gregron wrote:
Mods, can we please do something about this?

The constant trolling posts are really bringing down a lot of threads[/quote]

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https://www.google.com/search?q=Ethan7x&sugexp=chrome,mod=11&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

I couldnt even get through the first link.

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[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:
Also, even if some bodybuilders were to use “loose” form with cleans, it wouldn’t be that much different than using “loose” form with barbell curls. The job’s still getting done.

This is what I made reference to in my 2nd paragraph; trap building merit from “bodybuilder power cleans.”

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Let me put it this way.
The fact that BBuilders use drugs and you dont, is why you should not trying to imitate everything they do…

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[quote]JohnMariette wrote:
https://www.google.com/search?q=Ethan7x&sugexp=chrome,mod=11&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

I couldnt even get through the first link. [/quote]

Thank you !!

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I dont know shit loads about olympic lifts so im not giving advice or anything. But no not alot of body builders use them, but maybe thats because they dont want to risk an injury? Its a very technical lift. I haven’t tried Snatches but I used to do Hang Cleans and Power Cleans for about 6 months, I built some decent size suprisingly quickly (in my Hams, Quads, Lats, Traps).

Im definately going to use them in future programs. Im not a body builder. But those guys are massive, so surely they need ALOT of weight on the bar to perform decent Cleans. Sounds like a risk of injury they probably aren’t propared to take. And I saw that Ethan7x disregared what someone said about CT using them in his program, but his arguement was ‘find a BB that uses them in his program’, which was done.

He also disregared what Chris Colucci said about Phil Heath using them for a while, but he probably used them to put alot of mass on in a short space of time, maybe not something he would NEED to keep in all his programs. Just for the record, im not a pro BB, I dont claim to be extremely knowledgable. But if SO MANY people are saying that you’re wrong, AND showing you evidence of that fact them maybe just stop persisting?

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[quote]chobbs wrote:

[quote]JohnMariette wrote:
https://www.google.com/search?q=Ethan7x&sugexp=chrome,mod=11&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

I couldnt even get through the first link. [/quote]

Thank you !![/quote]

Horrible. Looked at the first page of the first link… Just awful.

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Just because the top bodybuilders don’t do cleans at this point in their career, doesn’t mean they didn’t use them years ago to help get them where they are.