Child Care Costs

Off Topic
41

[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
I’m talking lucky charms for breakfast, PB white bread sammiches and fast food dinners [/quote]

There comes a point, if your child is strong enough willed, that he will starve himself for 36+hours rather than eat what you want him to. You know what you do? You give the kid Lucky Fucking Charms.

And if you are going to judge people (me) because I like to bring the boy to Wendy’s and then buy him a slushie before going to see Transformers, then yeah, you should avoid having kids.[/quote]

Taking them for such a meal prior to a movie is one thing, making it a daily/weekly thing is another. I see parents feeding their kids chocolate milk and Capri suns like they’re water on a daily basis.[/quote]

Look I’m going to be honest. Everyone, and I mean everyone has the best plans in the world until the screaming little poop machine comes sliding out of the vagina… And then you realize you don’t know shit, never knew shit and your plans are shit.

Your wife will figure this out long before you do, right around 7 month preg. You on the other hand, will still think you have this shit on lock. You don’t. None of us did.

There are about 3,865,456,764 other things besides your lifestyle and what kind of foods you will feed your kid to take into account before unleashing your seed into the world.

Trust me, your kid isn’t going to eat some bullshit yellow root grape seed extract, particularly if you want them to. The more you push, the more they will starve waiting for pizza and white pasta.

Got to learn to choose your battles.[/quote]

Thank you. I think most parents will agree. I know that before I had kids, I was going to be different and things would remain organized and structured; wholesome food and little television. I don’t know of many parents who haven’t reached the point of ‘have a candy and give my head some peace’. Children are relentless.
[/quote]
The last I heard, your daughter was doing pretty well for herself, considering all of the candy she had :slight_smile:

42

[quote]imhungry wrote:

[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
I’m talking lucky charms for breakfast, PB white bread sammiches and fast food dinners [/quote]

There comes a point, if your child is strong enough willed, that he will starve himself for 36+hours rather than eat what you want him to. You know what you do? You give the kid Lucky Fucking Charms.

And if you are going to judge people (me) because I like to bring the boy to Wendy’s and then buy him a slushie before going to see Transformers, then yeah, you should avoid having kids.[/quote]

Taking them for such a meal prior to a movie is one thing, making it a daily/weekly thing is another. I see parents feeding their kids chocolate milk and Capri suns like they’re water on a daily basis.[/quote]

Look I’m going to be honest. Everyone, and I mean everyone has the best plans in the world until the screaming little poop machine comes sliding out of the vagina… And then you realize you don’t know shit, never knew shit and your plans are shit.

Your wife will figure this out long before you do, right around 7 month preg. You on the other hand, will still think you have this shit on lock. You don’t. None of us did.

There are about 3,865,456,764 other things besides your lifestyle and what kind of foods you will feed your kid to take into account before unleashing your seed into the world.

Trust me, your kid isn’t going to eat some bullshit yellow root grape seed extract, particularly if you want them to. The more you push, the more they will starve waiting for pizza and white pasta.

Got to learn to choose your battles.[/quote]

Thank you. I think most parents will agree. I know that before I had kids, I was going to be different and things would remain organized and structured; wholesome food and little television. I don’t know of many parents who haven’t reached the point of ‘have a candy and give my head some peace’. Children are relentless.
[/quote]
The last I heard, your daughter was doing pretty well for herself, considering all of the candy she had :)[/quote]

and what would you say about parents with kids that have diabetes? serious question here, “oh that 1 candy bar is fine”… we’re not talking about special treats here

43

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:

[quote]imhungry wrote:

[quote]ouroboro_s wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
I’m talking lucky charms for breakfast, PB white bread sammiches and fast food dinners [/quote]

There comes a point, if your child is strong enough willed, that he will starve himself for 36+hours rather than eat what you want him to. You know what you do? You give the kid Lucky Fucking Charms.

And if you are going to judge people (me) because I like to bring the boy to Wendy’s and then buy him a slushie before going to see Transformers, then yeah, you should avoid having kids.[/quote]

Taking them for such a meal prior to a movie is one thing, making it a daily/weekly thing is another. I see parents feeding their kids chocolate milk and Capri suns like they’re water on a daily basis.[/quote]

Look I’m going to be honest. Everyone, and I mean everyone has the best plans in the world until the screaming little poop machine comes sliding out of the vagina… And then you realize you don’t know shit, never knew shit and your plans are shit.

Your wife will figure this out long before you do, right around 7 month preg. You on the other hand, will still think you have this shit on lock. You don’t. None of us did.

There are about 3,865,456,764 other things besides your lifestyle and what kind of foods you will feed your kid to take into account before unleashing your seed into the world.

Trust me, your kid isn’t going to eat some bullshit yellow root grape seed extract, particularly if you want them to. The more you push, the more they will starve waiting for pizza and white pasta.

Got to learn to choose your battles.[/quote]

Thank you. I think most parents will agree. I know that before I had kids, I was going to be different and things would remain organized and structured; wholesome food and little television. I don’t know of many parents who haven’t reached the point of ‘have a candy and give my head some peace’. Children are relentless.
[/quote]
The last I heard, your daughter was doing pretty well for herself, considering all of the candy she had :)[/quote]

and what would you say about parents with kids that have diabetes? serious question here, “oh that 1 candy bar is fine”… we’re not talking about special treats here
[/quote]
What about them?

We’re talking about the average child, here. Not children that are fed the best or the worst foods.

The root of your post has nothing or, very little, to do with the welfare of the children, IMO. It’s about not wanting children, because it will hinder your lifestyle… Plain and simple.

44

[quote]imhungry wrote:

The last I heard, your daughter was doing pretty well for herself, considering all of the candy she had :)[/quote]

Thanks for the compliment. I’m very proud of the woman that’s she’s becoming.

If you lead by example, children will (hopefully) find their own path. It may not be the path you would have chosen but may be one that you are proud that they have chosen. Those choices don’t fall out of having enough money for nice food or university education but having modeled solid choices for your kids.

I was always grateful for my own parents. They didn’t give us nice cars or Florida vacations but gave us a solid work ethic and a strong moral backbone. That doesn’t matter if you have two or ten kids.

45

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
then again, maybe you’re weak and cave in to your kids, [/quote]

First off, anyone without kids that says shit like this, needs to understand they are speaking from a place of absolute ignorance. And people with kids largely dismiss their opinion. Like I said, everyone knows how to be the perfect parent, until they actually have to be one.

Second, again. You have to choose your battles. More so than “caving” the problem is inconsistency, lack of values, lack of love, and lack of time invested. I know kids that were given whatever they wanted whenever they wanted, within reason. Spoiled fucking rotten. These are some of the most well adjusted, normal kids I’ve ever know as adults.

And I’ve seen kids come from strict homes that ended up whores, fucking every cock that walked by, and pregnant at 17…

It isn’t about restricting what your kid eats. Fruit Loops and Sugar Smacks are not the problem. You can’t see beyond that. So yeah, still don’t have kids.

No offense, but this might be the single most dumb thing I’ve heard today, and it’s been a long day.

How many parents worked in the 50’s?

How many fathers had to worry about their daughters being ruffied and being gang raped in middle school?

How many fathers had to worry about their 14 year old out selling drugs and stealing cars in 1956?

How many 13 year old gang bangers in 1952 were shooting people at parties to get their colors?

I mean the 60’s, 70’s and 80s are known for their continual and great contribution to the strong moral back ground that America has. (Oh yeah these same kids from awesome household were spitting in the face of soldiers when they came home from war. And are the ones who just almost ran the global economy into the ground.)

You know websites just weren’t the same in 1957. I mean back then there was so much better Brazilian midget fart porn. Now a days it is all pop-ups.

How many HD channels did they have in 1959? I mean i’m sick of watching people shoot heroin in regular D on primetime ABC.

I could go on… But, it has been 60 fucking years man. Get over it, the world is different.

46

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
then again, maybe you’re weak and cave in to your kids, [/quote]

First off, anyone without kids that says shit like this, needs to understand they are speaking from a place of absolute ignorance. And people with kids largely dismiss their opinion. Like I said, everyone knows how to be the perfect parent, until they actually have to be one.

Second, again. You have to choose your battles. More so than “caving” the problem is inconsistency, lack of values, lack of love, and lack of time invested. I know kids that were given whatever they wanted whenever they wanted, within reason. Spoiled fucking rotten. These are some of the most well adjusted, normal kids I’ve ever know as adults.

And I’ve seen kids come from strict homes that ended up whores, fucking every cock that walked by, and pregnant at 17…

It isn’t about restricting what your kid eats. Fruit Loops and Sugar Smacks are not the problem. You can’t see beyond that. So yeah, still don’t have kids.

No offense, but this might be the single most dumb thing I’ve heard today, and it’s been a long day.

How many parents worked in the 50’s?

How many fathers had to worry about their daughters being ruffied and being gang raped in middle school?

How many fathers had to worry about their 14 year old out selling drugs and stealing cars in 1956?

How many 13 year old gang bangers in 1952 were shooting people at parties to get their colors?

I mean the 60’s, 70’s and 80s are known for their continual and great contribution to the strong moral back ground that America has. (Oh yeah these same kids from awesome household were spitting in the face of soldiers when they came home from war. And are the ones who just almost ran the global economy into the ground.)

You know websites just weren’t the same in 1957. I mean back then there was so much better Brazilian midget fart porn. Now a days it is all pop-ups.

How many HD channels did they have in 1959? I mean i’m sick of watching people shoot heroin in regular D on primetime ABC.

I could go on… But, it has been 60 fucking years man. Get over it, the world is different.
[/quote]
I came.

47

so essentially, life was different in the 50s probably because of many things, yet parenting was a lot better, no?

Even you have to admit many people today shouldn’t be parents, as they just suck at it?

48

btw- I’m sure there are some parents that don’t cave in to their kids :wink: just b/c some of you can’t don’t make it seem like it’s impossible :smiley: of course, I don’t have kids, what do I know.

49

this seems fitting, gotta love Martin Rooney TFW Resistance Is Good - YouTube

50

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
I’m a snob because I think certain people shouldn’t be having kids? Please, I’m waiting to hear that you have never said certain people shouldn’t have kids based upon your own beliefs.

BTW- last I checked this world has too many stupid fucking people as it is, at what point is enough enough, honestly… there has to be a point where the world cannot support more stupid people.[/quote]

edited this for you.

51

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
so essentially, life was different in the 50s probably because of many things, yet parenting was a lot better, no?

[/quote]

No.

You really are unbelievably young and naive to hearken back to a mythical time that never existed. The era you seem to idealize exists only on television or in overly romanticized memories. Most people didn’t live their lives in a ‘Leave it to Beaver’ episode.

52

Thank goodness I don’t have kids.

53

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
btw- I’m sure there are some parents that don’t cave in to their kids :wink: just b/c some of you can’t don’t make it seem like it’s impossible :smiley: [/quote]

Any parent who says they never cave in to their kids are either lying or they are cold-hearted, uncompromising dicks whose children grow up resenting them because their parents were complete control freaks.

You should have started and ended with this.

54

LOL

Well, if I ever decide to be a troll, I know a good hot-button subject to hit on.

55

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
so essentially, life was different in the 50s probably because of many things, yet parenting was a lot better, no?

Even you have to admit many people today shouldn’t be parents, as they just suck at it?[/quote]

I’m trying to be nice here, but you are being annoyingly flippant. Or you are ignorant, I can’t tell. Shit, maybe both.

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
of course, I don’t have kids, what do I know.

[/quote]

You are taking the typical stance of people that don’t have kids: 'I have every right to have an opinion about having kids even though I have never had one."

Just know, you sound like an ignorant asshole here.

56

First of all, I’m not going to get into the “if you feel that way then you shouldn’t have kids” stuff. You have been around here a long time and seem like an overall decent dude. I hope you eventually come around and decide to have kids. The world needs more decent people in it.

You are, however, full of fucking shit on this topic. By that I mean I disagree with just about everything you’ve written, not that I think you’re an asshole. Like I said, you seem like a good guy and I have a positive impression of you from your previous posts here.

With that out of the way, hopefully we can further this discussion in a productive manner.

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
I’m a snob because I think certain people shouldn’t be having kids? Please, I’m waiting to hear that you have never said certain people shouldn’t have kids based upon your own beliefs.[/quote]

Yes, you are a snob (to me) because your criteria appears to be so stringent that if everyone adhered to it, almost nobody would have children. Society would fucking collapse.

I don’t think everyone should have kids. I think people that can’t financially support even themselves shouldn’t have kids. I can go on about that all day, but then this would turn into a PWI thread, and I don’t want that, because that forum is awful.

That is pretty much my only criteria.

[quote]
BTW- last I checked this world has too many fucking people as it is, at what point is enough enough, honestly… there has to be a point where the world cannot support more people.[/quote]

I don’t think there are, or can ever be, too many good people in this world. If you fancy yourself a good person, and I think you are from what little I know about you, then why would you feel like your offspring would detract from the world rather than add to it? Do you think that little of yourself?

I have 2 kids and one more on the way, with plans for a fourth “in the works,” so to speak. I feel like I am a useful and productive member of society. I feel like my children will also be useful and productive people. The world needs more people like that, not less.

When I hear people talk about how the world sucks and is getting worse all the time, my first thought is “what are you doing to help change that?”

I look at it like this:

If you are married, and you think you and your wife are good, reasonably intelligent, productive members of society, and you choose not to have kids, then you are essentially making the world worse. Because when you die, there will be 2 less good, reasonably intelligent, productive people in the world.

If you do not have at least 2 kids, then you are not adding to society, you are detracting from it. The more kids you have, the better.

But that is just how I think, and I don’t expect everyone to agree with it.

Also, having kids is awesome. You will never experience anything like it. If you want to live a full and complete life, and you don’t have kids, then you are missing out on one of the most fundamental parts of life: the creation and development of it.

I don’t see how anyone could live their entire life without kids and never once regret it.

57

[quote]Steel Nation wrote:

Also, having kids is awesome. You will never experience anything like it. [/quote]

This.

And believe it or not, giving them some chicken nuggets isn’t going to kill them.

58

This is like listening to guys who DL 315 telling Andy Bolton where his training went wrong.

59

AT this point I’m just stretching and F-in around, but anyone that is for numerous kids (more than 1), don’t ever complain about traffic then :wink: … that’s form too many damn people ya know, less babies, less traffic

on a serious note, I’m sure having kids is one of tthe greatest things in the world, once you have them, but I enjoy my freedom, I enjoy being selfish, getting all the sleep I need, and all the other great things of not having kids.

60

Steel Nation- I respect your opinion and ability to state it in a non-douchebag way

Maybe others thought I was being a douche in what I said, didn’t intend for it to be taken that way, rather just my opinion on the subject