I hear a lot of you CAN use it as a supplement, you CAN do X and minimize risk, you CAN do this or that. That’s true for the most part. I HAVEN’T heard on this thread, or in real life, of many people that actually do that. Why would they. Its more fun to get high. Using supplements isn’t nearly as fun. Opiates kill pain. If you like their effects, and have access, its pretty tough not to use them recreationally, or abuse them. I’m an addact. I CAN use recreationally, 9.5 times of of 10 I take it too far.
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That NIH study is amazing! Just this morning I was talking with a student about the discrepancies in the clinical study literature regarding the effects of cannabinoid on anxiety and depression. Now I know that if I’m coming down off opiates, cannibinoids may provide that hippocampal neurogenisis I’ve been looking for! Sleeping well tonight…
Check out “Rick Simpson oil”
Not only is it curing cancer, now body builders are taking it and injecting the oil into capsules ( up to a gram a day) and swallowing them. Apparently the chemical or antibodies it produces once ingested is the same as found in human breast milk or something?
Crazy things taking place in the medical marijuana world!
[quote]JKriminal wrote:
Check out “Rick Simpson oil”
Not only is it curing cancer, now body builders are taking it and injecting the oil into capsules ( up to a gram a day) and swallowing them. Apparently the chemical or antibodies it produces once ingested is the same as found in human breast milk or something?
Crazy things taking place in the medical marijuana world!
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what are the bennies?
[quote]Apoklyps wrote:
[quote]Jaynick77 wrote:
[quote]rabidshrimp wrote:
Getting smashed once a week is undoubtedly more detrimental for the bodybuilder than having a few joints on the weekend. Don’t see what the big deal is?[/quote]
blue moon[/quote] is really good
Apoklyps,
I read your first page post. It gave me excellent food for thought.
I know they heat it up then extract a chemical that helps fight certain cancers. It should be legalized everywhere. You should be free to do with your body what you want. Just don’t go to work inebriated, it should be respected and not abused like alcohol.
[quote]Claudan wrote:
Apoklyps,
I read your first page post. It gave me excellent food for thought. [/quote]
Thanks 
Just figured most wouldn’t for a novel that size lol.
[quote]Jlabs wrote:
I know they heat it up then extract a chemical that helps fight certain cancers. It should be legalized everywhere. You should be free to do with your body what you want. Just don’t go to work inebriated, it should be respected and not abused like alcohol.[/quote]
Are you talking about cannabidiol? IIRC (though I’m not sure I do, I haven’t kept up with my reading on this for some time), there was some talk a couple of years back about it possibly being neuroprotective and pro-apoptotic, while having MUCH less psychoactive effect than THC.
LOL, I always find that those who are the biggest advocates of weed are those who can least afford to be.
I agree with alot of the philosophical stances made above but I wanted to comment on PWO and hormone levels.
Weed is a well known reducer of stress, and your body doesn’t really distinguish between physical and mental when it comes to cortisol so PWO weed can help in that regard.
But then again it does in my experience and understanding lower testosterone levels. I’ve experienced a somewhat dampened libido and know many others who have demonstrated a lack of sex drive while smoking weed. Even though reduced circulation through smoke inhalation could probably contribute to sexual dysfunction (much like cigarettes) and that could cause testicular atrophy by lack of blood, I still feel that testosterone levels are effected by other means when smoking weed.
So my opinion, the occasional joint might be beneficial if your cortisol levels are routinely high; dropping those could have a positive rebound on test production provided they are not optimal to begin with. However in an otherwise healthy male, it is hard to believe that smoking anything could have a benefit other than the high. If you consider that alongside steroids you have no fear of test production slacking off, then the anti-inflammatory stress relieving benefits of marijuana might shine a little brighter which may explain why some bodybuilders, particularly the almighty Arnold were advocates of its use.
[quote]c.m.l. wrote:
I agree with alot of the philosophical stances made above but I wanted to comment on PWO and hormone levels.
Weed is a well known reducer of stress, and your body doesn’t really distinguish between physical and mental when it comes to cortisol so PWO weed can help in that regard.
But then again it does in my experience and understanding lower testosterone levels. I’ve experienced a somewhat dampened libido and know many others who have demonstrated a lack of sex drive while smoking weed. Even though reduced circulation through smoke inhalation could probably contribute to sexual dysfunction (much like cigarettes) and that could cause testicular atrophy by lack of blood, I still feel that testosterone levels are effected by other means when smoking weed.
So my opinion, the occasional joint might be beneficial if your cortisol levels are routinely high; dropping those could have a positive rebound on test production provided they are not optimal to begin with. However in an otherwise healthy male, it is hard to believe that smoking anything could have a benefit other than the high. If you consider that alongside steroids you have no fear of test production slacking off, then the anti-inflammatory stress relieving benefits of marijuana might shine a little brighter which may explain why some bodybuilders, particularly the almighty Arnold were advocates of its use.[/quote]
Hmm, I don’t buy the sexual dysfunction stuff. I think many people consider it an aphrodisiac.
I’m more likely to experience a drop in testosterone if I happen to hear especially effeminate music track like Night at the Rocksbury or Celene Dione. Maybe there’s a big lady the size of Jim Wendler wearing yoga pants making the foam roller disappear. Those are sexual inhibitors to worry about.
[quote]Severiano wrote:
[quote]c.m.l. wrote:
I agree with alot of the philosophical stances made above but I wanted to comment on PWO and hormone levels.
Weed is a well known reducer of stress, and your body doesn’t really distinguish between physical and mental when it comes to cortisol so PWO weed can help in that regard.
But then again it does in my experience and understanding lower testosterone levels. I’ve experienced a somewhat dampened libido and know many others who have demonstrated a lack of sex drive while smoking weed. Even though reduced circulation through smoke inhalation could probably contribute to sexual dysfunction (much like cigarettes) and that could cause testicular atrophy by lack of blood, I still feel that testosterone levels are effected by other means when smoking weed.
So my opinion, the occasional joint might be beneficial if your cortisol levels are routinely high; dropping those could have a positive rebound on test production provided they are not optimal to begin with. However in an otherwise healthy male, it is hard to believe that smoking anything could have a benefit other than the high. If you consider that alongside steroids you have no fear of test production slacking off, then the anti-inflammatory stress relieving benefits of marijuana might shine a little brighter which may explain why some bodybuilders, particularly the almighty Arnold were advocates of its use.[/quote]
Hmm, I don’t buy the sexual dysfunction stuff. I think many people consider it an aphrodisiac.
I’m more likely to experience a drop in testosterone if I happen to hear especially effeminate music track like Night at the Rocksbury or Celene Dione. Maybe there’s a big lady the size of Jim Wendler wearing yoga pants making the foam roller disappear. Those are sexual inhibitors to worry about. [/quote]
Hows this for anecdotal evidence: Ive been high on marijuana twice in my life. Both times plenty of opportunity for some female companionship, and I passed out. Ive heard Celine Dion more than twice, and its never prevented some lovin.
[quote]mkral55 wrote:
[quote]Severiano wrote:
[quote]c.m.l. wrote:
I agree with alot of the philosophical stances made above but I wanted to comment on PWO and hormone levels.
Weed is a well known reducer of stress, and your body doesn’t really distinguish between physical and mental when it comes to cortisol so PWO weed can help in that regard.
But then again it does in my experience and understanding lower testosterone levels. I’ve experienced a somewhat dampened libido and know many others who have demonstrated a lack of sex drive while smoking weed. Even though reduced circulation through smoke inhalation could probably contribute to sexual dysfunction (much like cigarettes) and that could cause testicular atrophy by lack of blood, I still feel that testosterone levels are effected by other means when smoking weed.
So my opinion, the occasional joint might be beneficial if your cortisol levels are routinely high; dropping those could have a positive rebound on test production provided they are not optimal to begin with. However in an otherwise healthy male, it is hard to believe that smoking anything could have a benefit other than the high. If you consider that alongside steroids you have no fear of test production slacking off, then the anti-inflammatory stress relieving benefits of marijuana might shine a little brighter which may explain why some bodybuilders, particularly the almighty Arnold were advocates of its use.[/quote]
Hmm, I don’t buy the sexual dysfunction stuff. I think many people consider it an aphrodisiac.
I’m more likely to experience a drop in testosterone if I happen to hear especially effeminate music track like Night at the Rocksbury or Celene Dione. Maybe there’s a big lady the size of Jim Wendler wearing yoga pants making the foam roller disappear. Those are sexual inhibitors to worry about. [/quote]
Hows this for anecdotal evidence: Ive been high on marijuana twice in my life. Both times plenty of opportunity for some female companionship, and I passed out. Ive heard Celine Dion more than twice, and its never prevented some lovin.
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Do you listen to Celine Dion whilst lifting? She brings out the fire and intensity in the weight room for you, then by all means there are headphones.
Well drugs always effect everyone differently. As far as libido goes, like I mentioned it could be reduced circulation or even increased anxiety that could cause an avoidance of sex but I feel like its more than that; I’m fairly sure that it affects test levels. Everything that I’ve seen suggests this and having fiddled with test levels manually, I can tell what low test mentally feels like, and it feels like that blah that comes when smoking too much.
[quote]cubuff2028 wrote:
University of Colorado football players and cheerleaders (there are some very strong cheerleaders out there) introduced me to this idea. I played with it for quite a while. There is SOME performance enhancement to smoking before training, but it is small–an extra couple reps here and there. [/quote]
I’ve heard its kinda like you take a 10 rep max and you get to 12 before you realize that you did more than 10 and should have hit failure.
By the way, I knew CU players who wouldn’t touch weed, because I think that if you use at all, in season or out, and get caught you forfeit any NCAA school scholarship, including funds you have already received. I knew a couple of DII baseball players who lost scholarships for possession.
[quote]Karado wrote:
A wise man typed: …“you can’t afford any more loss of brain cells.”
Wow, someone is a victim of believing urban myths…No evidence it kills brain cells whatsoever.
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No but I have witnessed many guys, both in my old inner city 'hood, and in college who lost functional IQ points as their usage went up. The again that was almost certainly psychological-take a depressant, your not going to be so alert, then as it wears off, and you experience anxiety, and if you use avery 48 hours you are probably in some part of the supressed/anxious cycle all the time. By the way, if a substance has a withdrawal cycle, it CAN be addictive (even carbs as I know).
[quote]mertdawg wrote:
[quote]cubuff2028 wrote:
University of Colorado football players and cheerleaders (there are some very strong cheerleaders out there) introduced me to this idea. I played with it for quite a while. There is SOME performance enhancement to smoking before training, but it is small–an extra couple reps here and there. [/quote]
I’ve heard its kinda like you take a 10 rep max and you get to 12 before you realize that you did more than 10 and should have hit failure.
By the way, I knew CU players who wouldn’t touch weed, because I think that if you use at all, in season or out, and get caught you forfeit any NCAA school scholarship, including funds you have already received. I knew a couple of DII baseball players who lost scholarships for possession. [/quote]
I don’t know the current policies, but at the time ~2001, they tested minimally for recreational drugs. They concentrated on peds/masking agents for the random in season testing. I did not mean to say that the whole team smoked–of course not, but some did (hell, a few were into blow) and I’m sure some still do (legal now).
More food for thought: A friend on my soccer team played tailback at cal in the mid 90s. He claimed the entire team would smoke BEFORE GAMES. When I used to smoke before training*, I’d get pretty paranoid about check into the gym at the front desk, talking to anyone… i can’t imagine being under the lights with 50,000 + fans feeling like that!
*I don’t do this anymore because the benefits were small at best (the combination of strength training and pot benefits the high more so than it does strength). I teach math for a living and frequently have to do so in Spanish. My Spanish suffers if i smoke the previous night. It’s very frustrating–not worth it to me.
[quote]cubuff2028 wrote:
[quote]mertdawg wrote:
[quote]cubuff2028 wrote:
University of Colorado football players and cheerleaders (there are some very strong cheerleaders out there) introduced me to this idea. I played with it for quite a while. There is SOME performance enhancement to smoking before training, but it is small–an extra couple reps here and there. [/quote]
I’ve heard its kinda like you take a 10 rep max and you get to 12 before you realize that you did more than 10 and should have hit failure.
By the way, I knew CU players who wouldn’t touch weed, because I think that if you use at all, in season or out, and get caught you forfeit any NCAA school scholarship, including funds you have already received. I knew a couple of DII baseball players who lost scholarships for possession. [/quote]
I don’t know the current policies, but at the time ~2001, they tested minimally for recreational drugs. They concentrated on peds/masking agents for the random in season testing. I did not mean to say that the whole team smoked–of course not, but some did (hell, a few were into blow) and I’m sure some still do (legal now).
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Well blow was one thing, as it was out of your system fast, but I think you can be positive for cannabis quite a while later, though of course you could always claim is was second hand. But even though its legal isn’t it still against NCAA rules to use (and I think it was banned in or out of season as well, you had to sign something on your scholarship voiding it if you used while under scholarship).