Calorie Intake, First Cycle

Good afternoon all

I’m a 32 year old male. 6ft 2. 90kg. I spent a lot of time losing weight as I was pretty fat. Now I have gotten to where I want to be I have started my first cycle.

I am taking test e 250mg per week alongside Anavar 40mg ED. I have nolvadex and Arimidex on hand.

I’m just unsure what to eat. Some people say eat 4500 calories a day to bulk some say just go 1-200 over maintenance.

I go gym 4 times a week, 3 days off. My maintenance according to calculators is 2800. However my Apple Watch says I’m burning 3000 a day in total on rest days and 3600 on training days.

So I’m just a bit lost lol

This is concerning, but let’s put a pin in that.

Ignore them.

Ignore this too.


Do you know your actual maintenance calorie intake? If so, a reasonable bulk is ~500 in excess of your maintenance calories. Watch the scale daily, if it doesn’t go up any after a week, add 250 calories/day the next week (and again the week after if still no weight gain).

Why are you taking Anavar while bulking?

Take unflattering “before” pictures of yourself now, before you regret not taking them.

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Taking anabolics before you’ve mastered nutrition seems backwards. If nothing else, wasteful.

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The OP has the huge advantage of being able to access a wealth of information before taking AAS.

In 1971, I had the advantage of being able to take AAS and no one telling me all that I was doing wrong.

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So you basically started a cycle without knowing what your goals are and with no plan on how to achieve them.

The cycle is stupid also.

Best plan would be to stop it, learn, and try again after some 6 months of studying.

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I started lifting weights in around March of 1968, doing very basic exercises for my upper body. I ran to develop my legs (I later saw that was a joke). I did get stronger fairly steadily. I would guess I weighed close to 180lbs when my doctor wrote me a prescription for 5mg of Dianabol twice a day for 30 days. Just started resistance training for legs December if 1970.

Today, I don’t believe any of you that are active on Tnation would recommend I even consider AAS.

BTW, no body did deadlifts back then that I knew.

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OP i suggest you listen to all of these people as their knowledge of AAS is huge, but what they may tell you is probably irrelevant to what you want to know or need to hear.
An anavar and test (or similar) cycle will get you huge if you take enough and eat like crazy, true you’ll likely loose it all after but you will then be bitten by the bug and want to do it lot’s more.
Is that good? no of course not but I’m guessing that’s the way lots of people start. How many people who come on here with a cycle that’s not properly thought out, get told its wrong and change for the better?
I’m guessing most carry on and think that the large amount of water and glycogen that people commented on made them feel great so they do it again and again. Telling them no is obviously the right thing to do, after all these drugs are illegal in many countries. But how you tell people makes a world of difference, OP I’m sure you’ll continue your cycle and think it’s great.
But the next one could be much better, safer and the results longer lasting and the people commenting are the ones that can help.
Not me though, I am probably the last person who should be taking steroids, I’m 58, thin, lazy as fuck and know little about nutrition or training properly. I also live in a country where steroids are an illegal drug.
However, after checking with a genealogist I can confirm that none of you are my dad so can’t tell me what to do.
See how it works? Flame me for risking my health, you should as I am. However, it would be far better to try and steer me towards safer use (as you have many times).

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Depends if you want to get as big as possible at the sacrifice of some excess fat or if you want to focus on lean gains. IMO 500calories over maintenance a day. That would equal a pound a week right there of slow quality gains plus whatever recomping the steroids do for you.

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I intend to carry on. I’ve been following a diet plan for quite some time. I was over 18 stone. So I am aware of the dedication it takes.

I’m now ready to bulk up. The good kind. Not overweight like I was.

I’ve been going gym following a training regime. This isn’t something I just thought I’d jump into.

I shall try 3200kcal a day and check weekly for weight gain.

I was going to do a cut cycle after PCT but I may just cruise. I don’t see any point in stopping for pct only to start again a few months down the line.

Advice is always appreciated.

At the minute my libido is elevated and I feel stronger. Maybe that’s just placebo. But I’m enjoying it.

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Dude I soo wish!
But I’m guessing if you were you’d spend top dollar trying to remove yourself even further :smile:

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I know very little about this but from the moment I started reading up properly it seemed that cycling on and off was a poor idea with few positives and decided to cruise straight away.
This was around 3 years ago and if I was a responsible grown up I’d say I started a clinic lead TRT regime that’s steered me well, but I cruise, while trying to veer towards extreme caution because of my age.

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Watching this transpire, I put the blame solely on the youth. But what did I expect? For years no one but the small esoteric group of prospective bodybuilders (and it was a small group) were the only ones taking AAS.

Arnold brought physique perfection to the general public. And it wasn’t long before teenagers began to take AAS. What else was the government going to do? They had to do something. We all know what resulted.

That same thing happened with GHB. I have a product to get a good night’s sleep in the closing weeks before a bodybuilding contest. The youth adds GHB to alcohol and bad outcomes result in many ways. The result. I cannot get GHB.

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GNC by no means had the market on GHB. Quite a few health food stores carried it. I was pretty much anti-GNC as the help was very close to clueless about everything, but presented themselves as a go-to source for muscle building information.

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Well… hopefully you wont be one of those 8 out of 10 topics here called “i did just 1 cycle 5 years ago and my peepee doesnt work still”.

Good luck :slight_smile:

How much do you need to eat now to grow? I’d add maybe 200 calories to that while on cycle and adjust as needed

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My maintenance is 2800. So il prob add a few hundred on to that. 2-300. See how I get on.

IMO, it is all very simple.

  1. Eat plenty of good protein (about 1.5 times your body weight in pounds for grams of protein)
  2. Eat clean for all foods
  3. Note the quantity of food to maintain your body weight
  4. Start a feedback loop. That is, add about 200 calories/day in carbohydrates, weigh in one week and monitor increase in strength.

If you gained a little weight and got stronger, then stay the course.
If there was no change in strength or weight, add another 200 carbohydrate calories/day.
If you got stronger but didn’t add weight, stay the course.
If you didn’t get stronger but gain over 2 pounds, cut back a few carbohydrate calories.

Problem with this methodology:
Weight varies throughout the day as the percent of water varies throughout the day or week. This variation I would label as “noise”. So your body weight changes could be misleading. If you know how to generate Control Charts you be assured when you receive a signal (actual weight change). The problem with this is that very few people are competent in Control Charts.

I find that strength is the most reliable metric for gaining muscle.

Sorry @swoops39. I meant this for the OP, and I saw it became a reply to you.

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