Bush: Most-Fit President in History

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]slimjim wrote:
You guys hash and rehash this topic every chance you get. My problem with this is the times given, I do not believe he can run that fast. During my time in the army I ran sub-11 minute two miles, and that was hauling ass, I mean, hauling ass…you’re pretty much running as fast as you can stride for two miles. At Bush’s claimed pace he would probably be running under 1230 two miles(an estimate, probably lower) which means he is running faster than 70-80% of the Army’s soldiers. Not in his age group, but accross the board. If this is true, he most assuredly deserves praise for this, but until I’ve measured out his track and stood there with a stopwatch to time him or gone on a run with him I’ll be content to disbelieve. [/quote]

yeah that’s just what i was thinking that’s just too frickn fast. if he was that good he’d weigh like 165-170 tops. has he ever competed…in anything ?

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Yustas, nice segue into how a fit president will somehow represent our interests. Good luck with that. I don’t see Bush fighting to bring back prohormones on our behalf or standing up to big pharma and the FDA anywhere else, or wishing to allow medicinal use of marijuana when approved by the public in the State of California.

Perhaps that should now be the state of California, since being a State obviously doesn’t confer much self-control anymore.

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Zeb, do you even get the point I’m trying to make? I see your point. I’ve said it is admirable, but that is not enough for you.

No, I have to fall down and worship him for his feats. I mean really, who actually gives a shit? It’s tripe.

It dosn’t matter in any way except that it hopefully means he won’t fall over and die – which is a good thing.

You can fall back on your tired old “hate” invective, but it is patently false also. I don’t hate anything, including Bush, but I do enjoy tweaking you cheerleaders when I get a chance.

Too bad cheerleaders don’t have better reading comprehension and debating skills…

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[quote]yustas wrote:
I see your point, but consider this.
If Presidential candidate is fit and cares about fitness, then maybe he also cares about his health and maybe he is also aware of healthy food choices and maybe he is also aware that not all supplements are evil and some actually do something good for people. You see where I’m going with this? Then maybe a fit and or a fitness oriented Presidential candidate will promote health foods instead of junk foods and maybe even be supportive of the supplement industry.

Look at Arnold in California. Again, regardless of his politics he is taking a stand and is trying to promote a bill that will change the way our kids eat at schools. He wants them to stop with the junk foods and change it to healthy food choices.

-Yustas

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That’s a good point. I was glad to see that he IS taking some supplements. That was a definite plus, and it is good that he’s using weight training, but then again, so is everyone at both gyms I go to, so kudos for those taking that first step, it’s better than most.

I just don’t think his excersize accomplishments should get praised on this site, even at his age. There are tons of stories like his of people who are working out and are that healthy at his age, it’s unfortunate that it’s not the norm in America.

Like jsbrook said “Maybe that’s more of a testament to our society than the individual, but that’s where we are.”

I think it’s unfortunate that those accomplishments put him above 99% of the people his age in America. I think it says less about how great his accomplishments are, and more about how bad the majority of American’s health is, EVEN AT THAT AGE.

Again, I’m not any more of a Bush hater than I was a Clinton hater. I just don’t like politicians period (except maybe Arnold and Ross Perot, but they both entertained me a lot).

If I’m not in better shape when I’m 55, then call me a hypocrite.

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[quote]slimjim wrote:
You guys hash and rehash this topic every chance you get. My problem with this is the times given, I do not believe he can run that fast. During my time in the army I ran sub-11 minute two miles, and that was hauling ass, I mean, hauling ass…you’re pretty much running as fast as you can stride for two miles. At Bush’s claimed pace he would probably be running under 1230 two miles(an estimate, probably lower) which means he is running faster than 70-80% of the Army’s soldiers. Not in his age group, but accross the board. If this is true, he most assuredly deserves praise for this, but until I’ve measured out his track and stood there with a stopwatch to time him or gone on a run with him I’ll be content to disbelieve. The reason I say get off his nuts, is that if someone else claimed to be doing this at his age and weight most’ve you guys would want better proof than his people(secret service, his doctors) giving as his evidence. But anytime anything comes out about Bush you guys are content to believe it without question just as liberals are quick to disbelieve, it’s kind of like that thread about Bruce Lee where all of Bruce’s people(friends, relatives) are sited as evidence of his feats.[/quote]

You are correct I think I misstated his three mile run time. Actually, he has run three miles at an average pace of 6:45 per mile! Not 6:20, but still darn fast and much faster than either vroom (a Bush hater) or Zeb (a Bush liker) can do :slight_smile:

Here is another article for you:

"President George W. Bush ran recently at his 1,600-acre Texas ranch between phone calls from Secretary of State Colin L. Powell about rising tensions in the Middle East. He ran on Air Force One en route to Mexico in April, using a treadmill installed in the jet’s conference room. He ran on the flight back to Washington from El Salvador, too. And now he’s urging everyone to take up running or some other form of daily exercise.
The president launched a national initiative called “Healthier Us” last month. “Better health is an individual responsibility, and it is an important national goal,” he said. “When America and Americans are healthier, our whole society benefits. And it’s not all that difficult to do. When it comes to your health, even little steps can make a big difference.”
Bush seems determined to be the poster president for fitness;

his personal best is a 6:45-MILE PER MILE PACE FOR THREE MILES, a record he set last Thanksgiving at Camp David.

There are four basic guideposts in the president’s initiative:
– Physical fitness: Learning how to make regular physical activity a part of your daily life.
– Prevention: Getting regular screenings to protect yourself from preventable illnesses.
– Nutrition: Eating healthy as a lifestyle decision, not as a fad; and becoming aware of expert advice on good eating.
– Lifestyle habits: Eliminating smoking and drugs, and cutting down on excessive drinking."

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Zeb, I don’t hate Bush, I wish you’d stop mischaracterizing me like that.

I’m poking fun at his cheerleaders, not making fun of him in any way. Perhaps you can see the difference?

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I applaud Bush for his dedication to fitness and his agenda for fitness in America(minus any support shown for limiting supplements and steroids.) It is an admirable quality in any individual, but especially the leader of our nation and someone who is six years from discounted prices at the movie theater.

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[quote]vroom wrote:
Yustas, nice segue into how a fit president will somehow represent our interests. Good luck with that. I don’t see Bush fighting to bring back prohormones on our behalf or standing up to big pharma and the FDA anywhere else…[/quote]

I don’t see that either. But in the future Fitness oriented President or Presidential candidate seems to have a better chance to relate to fitness related interests then someone who only shows up to run in front of a press.

Fitness oriented people (and all that comes with it, health foods, etc) may be incline to vote for a fitness oriented Presidential candidate. Politicians may play the fitness card in the future since more people seem to be health conscious these days. I think there may be a reason why we’re seeing this kind of information floated about Bush. There have been a number of articles over time discussing his fitness level. Why? Maybe because they are testing the waters and polling people’s response to this kind of information. Why? Because who wouldn’t
want to play a new card and bring a new angel into 2008 Presidential run?

P.S. Think of this people. If you guys see a front page bizarre story in the tabloids about Hilary trying to hit PRs for her squat, bench and deadlift you’ll be a few in the know that it is all true. Just kidding, just kidding!

-Yustas

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[quote]vroom wrote:
Too bad cheerleaders don’t have better reading comprehension and debating skills…[/quote]

Yes, vroom it’s always about others reading comp skills. Always…Just tip your hat to the guy and move on…

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[quote]yustas wrote:
P.S. Think of this people. If you guys see a front page bizarre story in the tabloids about Hilary trying to hit PRs for her squat, bench and deadlift you’ll be a few in the know that it is all true. Just kidding, just kidding!

-Yustas

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Hey…I bet Hillary could do some serious squats-See the thighs on her? What? Oh…is that fat?

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Yep, unfortunately so. Either that or a willing inability to see anything other than what you want to see.

Clue, I’m picking on cheerleaders in this thread, which includes you, but I haven’t said the first bad thing about Bush or his fitness level. How is it that you draw that interpretation instead of the correct one? What would you ascribe it to other than reading and comprehension skills?

You can see the difference between the two, picking on Bush vs picking on cheerleaders, right?

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[quote]yustas wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
yustas wrote:
Regardless of his politics being the most-fit President in history may have its political implications. For example. Would people consider the level of fitness in the future Presidential candidates? -Yustas

Interesting. But I really hope that they don’t. As much as I applaud Bush and other fit politicians, I really hope that people don’t make decisions for our President based on what they bench or who looks better in swim trunks. It shouldn’t enter in whatsoever. People already vote on enough irrelevent things as it is. All I care about is the president being fit enough that it’s not likely he’ll have a heart attack and die in office.

I see your point, but consider this.
If Presidential candidate is fit and cares about fitness, then maybe he also cares about his health and maybe he is also aware of healthy food choices and maybe he is also aware that not all supplements are evil and some actually do something good for people. You see where I’m going with this? Then maybe a fit and or a fitness oriented Presidential candidate will promote health foods instead of junk foods and maybe even be supportive of the supplement industry.

Look at Arnold in California. Again, regardless of his politics he is taking a stand and is trying to promote a bill that will change the way our kids eat at schools. He wants them to stop with the junk foods and change it to healthy food choices.

-Yustas

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I see what you’re saying too. But I think having a fit president is a bonus behind so many other issues I consider more important to the presidency and country. And maybe I’m a pessimist, but I don’t see a fit president doing much more than winning admiration. I don’t see any presidential initiatives or behaviors changing the way America eats and exercises. It think this is one area where changes must begin in the home and at the school district level.

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This is retarded. What, in any way, shape or form, has Bush done to help supplements remain available to the people? What stand has he taken against big pharmaceutical companies? Any? Has he done a thing but jump on the same bandwagon as everyone else and come after anabolics? He hasn’t even started fitness campaigns. At least Arnold can be credited with that under Reagan. In fact, Arnold is the ONLY poltician I have ever heard of taking the stance that he is…yet Bush is getting hyped because he runs fast? If his bench is better than yours and you are on this site, I suggest you get back in the weight room. I am still unimpressed.

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I am not a Bush worshipper. I did not dog those guys because I like Bush but because they were being lame. I don’t like Bush. I don’t like most politicians. Bush is the President though and I’m impressed by his fitness, especially for an old politician. That’s the point, I read the article on the home page and didn’t notice which forum it was in. I read it and thought it was pretty interesting and neutral. Some dorks here though are talking about how it’s hero worship just because it’s got Bush in the title, says something positive and is in the politics forum. Read and form an opinion and if you still think Bush is a rad dude then you are dumb, and if you still like to take any chance to bag on every single thing about Bush, that Bush says, or on anyone who likes Bush then you need to get a life. Your opinions on politics, just like mine, don’t matter. Your “representatives” are not listening to you. They don’t care about you. You are not making a difference. Nothing will change and our country is not going to get better. So really, considering this, and considering that this is a fitness site, I think the President’s good fitness is maybe the best thing ever discussed about him on this forum.

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[quote]Pretzel Logic wrote:
I am not a Bush worshipper. I did not dog those guys because I like Bush but because they were being lame. I don’t like Bush. I don’t like most politicians. Bush is the President though and I’m impressed by his fitness, especially for an old politician. That’s the point, I read the article on the home page and didn’t notice which forum it was in. I read it and thought it was pretty interesting and neutral. Some dorks here though are talking about how it’s hero worship just because it’s got Bush in the title, says something positive and is in the politics forum. Read and form an opinion and if you still think Bush is a rad dude then you are dumb, and if you still like to take any chance to bag on every single thing about Bush, that Bush says, or on anyone who likes Bush then you need to get a life. Your opinions on politics, just like mine, don’t matter. Your “representatives” are not listening to you. They don’t care about you. You are not making a difference. Nothing will change and our country is not going to get better. So really, considering this, and considering that this is a fitness site, I think the President’s good fitness is maybe the best thing ever discussed about him on this forum. [/quote]

And what is that doing for us? I mean, he si the president of THE PEOPLE of America, right? Has his focus on fitness made it easier to ensure that our supplements will be available to us years down the road? Has he stood up to any big businesses that would live to put many suppelements out of business so that pharmacies can reap the benefits? Again, big deal about his running…unless it in some way reflects on his actions towards the people. It doesn’t, making this fact about him as useful as making a big deal out of him being a father or staying married to one woman.

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[quote]vroom wrote:
Yes, vroom it’s always about others reading comp skills.

Yep, unfortunately so. Either that or a willing inability to see anything other than what you want to see.

Clue, I’m picking on cheerleaders in this thread, which includes you, but I haven’t said the first bad thing about Bush or his fitness level. How is it that you draw that interpretation instead of the correct one? What would you ascribe it to other than reading and comprehension skills?

You can see the difference between the two, picking on Bush vs picking on cheerleaders, right?[/quote]

vroom:

The ABB crowd would not give Bush credit no matter what he did. Hate runs deep with these folks.

I think you are more bored than usual vroom. However, if you need yet another lesson on behavior, I’ll be glad to give you one.

If your friend states that he just hit a new Bench number and you “yawn” is that a compliment?

If your wife (you might have one someday who knows) asks you how dinner was and you “yawn” is that a compliment?

The above are just two minor examples. You don’t have to state anything negative about thier achievements. All you have to do is feign boredom, that shows that you are not impressed and that would be considered an insult.

As to the Presidents physical condition: for a 59 year old man it is remarkable! You don’t want to admit it because you hate him…that’s fairly transparent. Not just from this thread, but from the hundreds of posts you have sent where you talk negatively about him.

You can be coy all you like, but everyone on this forum knows that you are an ultra liberal from Canada who hates our President. That’s your right, but I thought you would at least be T-Man enough to give him a nod when it came to his physical prowess.

Guess I was wrong you live in a small world pal…

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[quote]Pretzel Logic wrote:
I am not a Bush worshipper. I did not dog those guys because I like Bush but because they were being lame. I don’t like Bush. I don’t like most politicians. Bush is the President though and I’m impressed by his fitness, especially for an old politician.[/quote]

Exactly my point! When a 59 year old man can physically do the things that he can do I think that is quite rare and impressive.

The reason is that they hate Bush so much that they have to say something negative. Since there is nothing negative to say about a 59 year old man who is in incredible condition they attack anyone who thinks that it is impressive by using the term “hero worship.” It’s silly and uncalled for, but at least now EVERYONE on the forum knows what these guys are all about! And it’s usually quite negative.

Very well stated. Hate is not a very good defense.

One would think that it is an upbeat topic that we can all agree on. Again, matters not if it were Kerry, Bush or anyone else. However, these guys will find fault with anything Bush does.
They just can’t seem to give the man credit for anything…very telling indeed!

I want the entire forum to keep this in mind the next time a serious issue arises and the attack Bush. No matter what he does they will always be on his case. They just can’t over come this hate they have.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
I think you are more bored than usual vroom. However, if you need yet another lesson on behavior, I’ll be glad to give you one.

If your friend states that he just hit a new Bench number and you “yawn” is that a compliment?

If your wife (you might have one someday who knows) asks you how dinner was and you “yawn” is that a compliment?

The above are just two minor examples. You don’t have to state anything negative about thier achievements. All you have to do is feign boredom, that shows that you are not impressed and that would be considered an insult.
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The above post is utter bullshit for the following reason.

This post was posted earlier:

[quote]SWR-1222D wrote:
My father is in his mid 50’s and recently had a physical done.

He’s 6’, 185 and recently lost about 20 lbs just from “eating less”. He smokes about a pack and a half of cigarettes a day, yet his physical showed that his blood pressure was right where it should be (lower than what the doctor thought), his bf% is also lower than the “average” 55-59 year old, and his stress test (on a treadmill) showed him to be in “great shape”…Now how many people here would give my father props for his physical results?[/quote]

I mean, in a thread like this, just as many people who are fainting over Bush’s run time should be giving support and compliments to this man’s father. Why haven’t they? I know, good question.

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Maybe if he didn’t spend so much time in the gym our foreign policy wouldn’t go so screwed up.

Kidding.

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Isn’t he obese? His BMI is supposedly over 25… =-)

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[quote]I think you are more bored than usual vroom. However, if you need yet another lesson on behavior, I’ll be glad to give you one.

If your friend states that he just hit a new Bench number and you “yawn” is that a compliment?

If your wife (you might have one someday who knows) asks you how dinner was and you “yawn” is that a compliment?[/quote]

Zeb, are you trying out for the position of my nanny? You are honestly sounding like more of a hand wringing politically correct liberal every time you post.

Yes, Zeb, what I really need is for you to give me lessons in behavior. We all know that republicans are incredibly concerned with what I say… and how I say it. God forbid that I offend anyone by not being incredibly impressed with completely boring shit.

Wait, Zeb, are you sure you didn’t start the PC movement? Do you see any irony in the state of affairs here?

Honestly, Zeb, the examples you give are only of interest to me because the people have a relationship with me. Contrary to you, I have exactly zero relationship with Bush. I really don’t have any interest in his physical capabilities unless they are in fact truly interesting.

This is what you want…

He’s fit. Woohoo. That really turns my crank. Holy shit, I won’t sleep for weeks. Wow. Exciting. My god. I think he’s my hero. Wowee, gollee, and goodness, Zeb, why didn’t you point that out to me earlier, thats royally fucking fantastic he is the best man in the universe.

Unfortunately, if I was that whacked I’d have to be either you or Jerffy.

I’d use the words “Ass Clown”, but apparently you don’t like them… and I’d hate to set off your PC-police hand-wringing napkin-twisting panty-bunching mommy behavior again.

I’ve offered one several times, try getting a clue.