[quote]vroom wrote:
Yes, of course, he’s fit, kudos to the man.
However, clue provision for the politically blind…
A post in the POLITICS FORUM titled “Bush: Most-Fit President in History” is certainly a little bit of hero worship.
Nobody has said negative things about the president, but the Bush worshippers have to cry foul when nobody cares, instead of realizing that they are engaging in blatant and childish hero worship.
Congratulations on your fair and balanced interpretation of events…[/quote]
Honestly, is there even anything that was written that could be mistaken as an insult?
I didn’t say anyone said that. That’s just my hypothesis as to why some people may be getting worked up over this thread. Maybe they see that as the implication. I can’t see another reason. Praising the physical fitness of either man doesn’t bother me. They both warrant praise. It would make more sense to me if it was in the Off-topic forum since a non-political issue doesn’t become one simply because it involves political figures. But it doesn’t bother me personally that much that it’s here.
[quote]JeffR wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
“Bush’s physical fitness somehow makes him a good or better leader”
I missed that part. Would you show me where someone said that it makes him a better leader?
The fact that the most irrational of the ABBers are illustrating the depths of their hatred IS USEFUL. It belongs in the political forum. Had big-mac-bill been such a physical specimen, does anyone doubt these same ABBers would be singing his praises?
I’d like to join in singing the praises of kerry’s dedication to physical fitness (not including windsurfing!!!).
I think he is a total fraud and a symptom of the things that are wrong in the democratic party.
However, he has earned my respect from a physical standpoint.
This thread clearly demonstrates to the Conservatives who is worth arguing with. It also allows the lefties the opportunity to distance themselves from the “party before principle” group.
I couldn’t disagree more with some of you, this is a great thread.
[quote]vroom wrote:
Yes, of course, he’s fit, kudos to the man.[/quote]
This is what you should have stated the first time instead of “yawn.”
[quote]However, clue provision for the politically blind…
A post in the POLITICS FORUM titled “Bush: Most-Fit President in History” is certainly a little bit of hero worship.[/quote]
Nothing to do with “hero worship.” I stopped having heros when I turned 21. However, when the President of the United States can out lift and out run me, I think that’s notable. I can still do more Chins than him
“yawn” was not the proper response vroom…But I think you realize this now.
Hey…any 59 year old man who can run three 6:20 miles in a row deserves a kudo from all of us. The fact that he is also the leader of the free world just adds to this impressive feat.
ProfX, you’re completely right - I don’t see anything written that could be taken as insulting. People are just reading what they want into perfectly innocuous statements, then jumping onto nice generalising ad hominem attacks.
Would Bush be as fit if he spent more time on the job…
That’s pretty much the kind of thing they’re looking for.
[quote]vroom wrote:
Yes, of course, he’s fit, kudos to the man.
However, clue provision for the politically blind…
A post in the POLITICS FORUM titled “Bush: Most-Fit President in History” is certainly a little bit of hero worship.
Nobody has said negative things about the president, but the Bush worshippers have to cry foul when nobody cares, instead of realizing that they are engaging in blatant and childish hero worship.
Congratulations on your fair and balanced interpretation of events…[/quote]
Ignoring the thread = not caring. Feeling compelled to voice your “indifference” = caring a whole lot more than you’d like to admit.
You felt the need to dismiss this information in a condescending way, yet you accuse those who call you on it of being “childish”? Here’s a clue for you: childishness is being unwilling to admit when you’re wrong, and never having the balls to give someone else the last word.
You see this post as hero worship because that’s how you’ve been conditioned to view all political discourse. It’s Us vs. Them. Anything that shows their side in a positive light is an attack against mine. Think about that next time you’re in the echo chamber with your friends discussing the new Krugman editorial that reinforces what you all already knew anyway.
Unfortunately, perhaps a little bit short on reality.
Maybe I was dismissing the thread itself, since it had nowhere to go, but right where it has sunk to.
Perhaps I was dismissive of the original poster and his need to trumpet this pile of going-nowhere-fast chance to cheerlead.
Pot, meet kettle.
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Second clue for the cheerleaders, if the people trumpeting your point of view are mainly Zeb and Jerffy/Cream, you are probably out in whacko land.
I mean really, if Jerffy or Zeb are your main proponents, the whole world knows you are in a sinking boat anyway… just give it up. You are aligning yourself with the chief cheerleaders of the forums and then saying this isn’t about cheerleading.
[quote]vroom wrote:
I mean really, if Jerffy or Zeb are your main proponents, the whole world knows you are in a sinking boat anyway… just give it up. You are aligning yourself with the chief cheerleaders of the forums and then saying this isn’t about cheerleading.[/quote]
I don’t know who those people are, nor do I care. But when those who tend to disagree with you get labelled as fanatical wackos, while those with whom you agree are rational and sophisticated, chances are good that you’re a knee-jerk liberal. Case in point: you.
Anyway, I have nothing further to add to the discussion. Now’s your chance to get in the last word so everyone can see how you “won”. Begin:
[quote]ChrisPowers wrote:
vroom wrote:
I mean really, if Jerffy or Zeb are your main proponents, the whole world knows you are in a sinking boat anyway… just give it up. You are aligning yourself with the chief cheerleaders of the forums and then saying this isn’t about cheerleading.
I don’t know who those people are, nor do I care. But when those who tend to disagree with you get labelled as fanatical wackos, while those with whom you agree are rational and sophisticated, chances are good that you’re a knee-jerk liberal. Case in point: you.
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Or an arch conservative. But your underlying point has merit.
[quote]vroom wrote:
Unless you are a Bush worshipper that takes offense when others aren’t as impressed as you are with him, then it was exactly the right response.[/quote]
Bull crap vroom! If one of your fellow liberals told you that his Dad, or Uncle was 59 and could what Bush could do you would fall all over yourself congratulating him…and you would be right in doing so!
You hate Bush can refuse to give him credit for anything. You are very
predictable my friend.
Then why have you wasted 3 or 4 posts here?
You need to wake up! A 59 year old man doing the things Bush can do on a Bike, on the track and in the Gym is not ho hum. You are actually funny sometimes…please never give any credit to anyone who might disagree with you politically…Ha
I wondered what you meant at first then I reread my post. That should have read “out run and out bike me.” By the way he can out run and out bike you too! And the man is 59! No nothing remarkable about that at all…perfectly normal…
[quote]ChrisPowers wrote:
vroom wrote:
I mean really, if Jerffy or Zeb are your main proponents, the whole world knows you are in a sinking boat anyway… just give it up. You are aligning yourself with the chief cheerleaders of the forums and then saying this isn’t about cheerleading.
I don’t know who those people are, nor do I care. But when those who tend to disagree with you get labelled as fanatical wackos, while those with whom you agree are rational and sophisticated, chances are good that you’re a knee-jerk liberal. Case in point: you.
Anyway, I have nothing further to add to the discussion. Now’s your chance to get in the last word so everyone can see how you “won”. Begin:[/quote]
Chris:
Allow me to introduce you to our resident Ultra Liberal: Mr. vroom.
[quote]Marmadogg wrote:
I think that it is great that Bush is very fit.
It is obvious to me that he is skinny as hell.
I could put on his coat and split the seam in the back.
At 5’11" and 191 pounds he is a weak stick twig. Anyone that height and weight is a weak stick twig.
A physique that scrawny is not worth praising on this site period.
The only people that think it is note worthy are partisan hacks.
Cheers![/quote]
Cmon, now. Would it be more impressive if Bush had some actual size? Yes. But, in this country, it is still impressive when a 59-year old lifts weights and runs religously, president or not. Maybe that’s more of a testament to our society than the individual, but that’s where we are.
A post in the POLITICS FORUM titled “Bush: Most-Fit President in History” is certainly a little bit of hero worship.
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I can see how some people may interpret it as such, but it was not my intention. I’m sorry for the confusion.
To me it seemed relevant to be in this forum, because Bush is a politician after all and arguably a celebrity. Celebrities are being discussed from every angle and fitness is one of them.
Regardless of his politics being the most-fit President in history may have its political implications. For example. Would people consider the level of fitness in the future Presidential candidates? Will future President candidates start making public their bench numbers? Bush did…so, maybe next time the guy with a bigger bench will be a President.
Think outside of the box folks, there could be all kinds of political implications going forward based on fitness numbers of the next Presidential candidates.
[quote]yustas wrote:
Regardless of his politics being the most-fit President in history may have its political implications. For example. Would people consider the level of fitness in the future Presidential candidates? -Yustas[/quote]
Interesting. But I really hope that they don’t. As much as I applaud Bush and other fit politicians, I really hope that people don’t make decisions for our President based on what they bench or who looks better in swim trunks. It shouldn’t enter in whatsoever. People already vote on enough irrelevent things as it is. All I care about is the president being fit enough that it’s not likely he’ll have a heart attack and die in office.
You guys hash and rehash this topic every chance you get. My problem with this is the times given, I do not believe he can run that fast. During my time in the army I ran sub-11 minute two miles, and that was hauling ass, I mean, hauling ass…you’re pretty much running as fast as you can stride for two miles. At Bush’s claimed pace he would probably be running under 1230 two miles(an estimate, probably lower) which means he is running faster than 70-80% of the Army’s soldiers. Not in his age group, but accross the board. If this is true, he most assuredly deserves praise for this, but until I’ve measured out his track and stood there with a stopwatch to time him or gone on a run with him I’ll be content to disbelieve. The reason I say get off his nuts, is that if someone else claimed to be doing this at his age and weight most’ve you guys would want better proof than his people(secret service, his doctors) giving as his evidence. But anytime anything comes out about Bush you guys are content to believe it without question just as liberals are quick to disbelieve, it’s kind of like that thread about Bruce Lee where all of Bruce’s people(friends, relatives) are sited as evidence of his feats.
[quote]jsbrook wrote:
yustas wrote:
Regardless of his politics being the most-fit President in history may have its political implications. For example. Would people consider the level of fitness in the future Presidential candidates? -Yustas
Interesting. But I really hope that they don’t. As much as I applaud Bush and other fit politicians, I really hope that people don’t make decisions for our President based on what they bench or who looks better in swim trunks. It shouldn’t enter in whatsoever. People already vote on enough irrelevent things as it is. All I care about is the president being fit enough that it’s not likely he’ll have a heart attack and die in office.
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I see your point, but consider this.
If Presidential candidate is fit and cares about fitness, then maybe he also cares about his health and maybe he is also aware of healthy food choices and maybe he is also aware that not all supplements are evil and some actually do something good for people. You see where I’m going with this? Then maybe a fit and or a fitness oriented Presidential candidate will promote health foods instead of junk foods and maybe even be supportive of the supplement industry.
Look at Arnold in California. Again, regardless of his politics he is taking a stand and is trying to promote a bill that will change the way our kids eat at schools. He wants them to stop with the junk foods and change it to healthy food choices.
