[quote]Tatsu wrote:
A better way to measure regression is the use of weight and reps during workouts. So did your weight numbers regress during the cut?[/quote]
I did CT’s War Room Strategies for the first 4 weeks then switched to an all low reps program for the last 4 weeks. My numbers didn’t drop until the last 2 but I felt the symptoms of low T the entire time.
Low T levels are an indication in a moment in time of a more complex process in the human body based of a blood sample. Hormone levels are also regulated by your well being, which means physiological processes are also under influence by (socio)psychological factors.
Diet can play a huge part in how you psychological cope with everyday life, because of eating under caloric maintainence. But the psychophysiological factors can also have low T levels as a result.
[quote]Tatsu wrote:
Low T levels are an indication in a moment in time of a more complex process in the human body based of a blood sample. Hormone levels are also regulated by your well being, which means physiological processes are also under influence by (socio)psychological factors.
Diet can play a huge part in how you psychological cope with everyday life, because of eating under caloric maintainence. But the psychophysiological factors can also have low T levels as a result.[/quote]
The endocrinologist kept asking if there was anything I was battling through mentally at the time. There wasn’t. The only stresses I would have been under were dieting and being an engineering student, but that’s something I’ve been dealing with for awhile.
So you’re saying that being on a caloric defecit,- even though I was doing it properly, caused too much stress for my body to handle? Sorry, I don’t know anything about how the hormones in the body work.
Not exactly, diet can play a huge role besides other factors such as psychophysological ones. It also depends on which factors count more heavily.
You stated that the only stress was being an engineering student and coped well with it. =) As such it tips the scale in the direction of diet or too much activity depending on your goal in combination with your diet. Low T levels can be a result of being too long under caloric maintainence or eating crappy foods.
Your food intake looks solid, so other factors also can contribute to lower T levels which are less likely, but notheless cannot be factored out. Congeniality for example…
But it seems your training and eating are paying off. =)
[quote]jholla10 wrote:
[quote]pumped340 wrote:
Wow your testosterone went up that much from eating more…how drastic was your cut?[/quote]
The doctor never gave me a reason for why my body wasn’t producing. Any of the opinions that say it had to do with my diet all come from people who don’t lift or eat for lifting.
I was eating between 2800-2400 calories as the diet progressed with all meals being protein and fat and only having carbs peri-wo. I ate plenty of whole eggs, beef, and coconut oil to keep my sat fat intake high, which of course is supposed to help with testosterone.
I really wish I could have taken affect of my rebound with a decent amount of T in my body.[/quote]
Hm yea that’s really not very low at all and you were eating well. What kind of symptoms did you experience?
Damn jholla your chest is fucking wide and full! Jealous as fuck! if you could bring up your arms you would have an impressive upper body! (from what I can tell, you seem to have a pretty small waist, lean, and wide clavicles).
[quote]pumped340 wrote:
[quote]jholla10 wrote:
[quote]pumped340 wrote:
Wow your testosterone went up that much from eating more…how drastic was your cut?[/quote]
The doctor never gave me a reason for why my body wasn’t producing. Any of the opinions that say it had to do with my diet all come from people who don’t lift or eat for lifting.
I was eating between 2800-2400 calories as the diet progressed with all meals being protein and fat and only having carbs peri-wo. I ate plenty of whole eggs, beef, and coconut oil to keep my sat fat intake high, which of course is supposed to help with testosterone.
I really wish I could have taken affect of my rebound with a decent amount of T in my body.[/quote]
Hm yea that’s really not very low at all and you were eating well. What kind of symptoms did you experience?
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Anything and everything associated with low T, lack of sex drive (none). I felt weak all the time, the gym was the only time I ever felt good. I never wanted to do anything social and I would just get down about the smallest things. This was the main reason I got checked, it usually takes a lot to get me in the dumps and I was like that for a month solid.
[quote]bugeishaAD wrote:
Damn jholla your chest is fucking wide and full! Jealous as fuck! if you could bring up your arms you would have an impressive upper body! (from what I can tell, you seem to have a pretty small waist, lean, and wide clavicles).[/quote]
Thanks bug, chest is a genetic thing I guess. I never really had a problem activating it until I started having problems with my shoulders due to an elbows flared bench form. I’ve switched to elbows tucked and I can’t feel a thing in my chest. I’ve been doing Incline Pin Presses for low reps then moving on to DB Incline Press and thats working like a charm.
As for my arms…well, yeah, the pictures say it all. I’ve got really long arms for my height which just adds to the problem. I followed the Gunz thread in the T-Cell and tried the program C_C suggested for you but after about 4 weeks my elbows were taking a toll. Maybe I’ll try it again. Whatever you’re doin is obviously helpin tho!
Bulking 5/28/2010
BODYWEIGHT 272.1 (.5 lb lifetime PR!)
Wake 7AM
Breakfast
1 chicken breast
1 whole wheat bagel
1 banananannana
Gluc./Cond.
10:30 Break
1 chicekn breast
2 slices whole wheat toast
1 Apple
1:25PM
Chipotle Burrito Beef, black beans, all salsas, sour cream, cheese, greens
4:30PM
10 grams peptopro
half can of Endorush (I got a case at half price a few weeks ago and today I needed a wakeup call)
Workout 5PM
20 grams of peptopro sipped thoughout 1.5 hours
Post Workout
30 grams whey
5 grams leucine
5 grams creatine mono
Off to dinner (big meal:))
Workout I wasn’t feeling super strong today so I hit up a little variety bb stuff instead of heavily machines)
Incline BB Bench
285 x 5
Flat Fat Bar BB Bench
275 Black Minis x 5
225 Black Minis x 5
225 x 9
135 Black Minis x 7
EZ Curl Bar Tricep Extensions Behind Head While Laying on the Floor (someone help me out with that cool acronym DC guys throw around)
115 x 15 x 3 x 2
Band Push Downs
3 sets x max reps with Black mini band
Avenger PullOver
Felt goofy on shoulders so I went light
225 x 16
HS Underhand High Row (went light since shoulders were feeling goofy on pullover)
75 (each side) x 28
HS Row (each arm)
135 x 18
DB Lateral Raises Paused at 90 degrees, no body english, Supersetted with face pulls w/ black mini band
15 x 15 x 10 x 8 x 6
Black Band x 10 x 8 x 7 x 5
HS Machine Preachers
90 x 20, 45 x 14, 90 x 60 sec hold
deat…I’ve looked at your nutrition, I’m definaetly no expert but I really think you gotta up your protein intake man…your eating a lot of carbs (which is not bad) cause you are bulking so it’s good your not afraid to eat the carbs BUT your protein is too low…like 1 chicken breast in the morning…unless they are HUGE, your only getting 20g’s with that no?
At your weight and whatnot you should aim for about 60g’s at each meal (granted you have 6 meals a day) that includes having a few protein shakes to supplement the chicken and what not.
I just think it’d be good for you to do that so your getting protein consistently all day and not just carbs at a meal, think the bodyfat will be kept at bay more-so this way as well and well protein builds muscle! lol
[quote]rasturai wrote:
deat…I’ve looked at your nutrition, I’m definaetly no expert but I really think you gotta up your protein intake man…your eating a lot of carbs (which is not bad) cause you are bulking so it’s good your not afraid to eat the carbs BUT your protein is too low…like 1 chicken breast in the morning…unless they are HUGE, your only getting 20g’s with that no?
At your weight and whatnot you should aim for about 60g’s at each meal (granted you have 6 meals a day) that includes having a few protein shakes to supplement the chicken and what not.
I just think it’d be good for you to do that so your getting protein consistently all day and not just carbs at a meal, think the bodyfat will be kept at bay more-so this way as well and well protein builds muscle! lol[/quote]
An 8 ounce chicken breast has 50 grams of protein. It would have to be a 3 ounce chicken breast to only have 20 grams (one small as chicken breast).
[quote]rasturai wrote:
deat…I’ve looked at your nutrition, I’m definaetly no expert but I really think you gotta up your protein intake man…your eating a lot of carbs (which is not bad) cause you are bulking so it’s good your not afraid to eat the carbs BUT your protein is too low…like 1 chicken breast in the morning…unless they are HUGE, your only getting 20g’s with that no?
At your weight and whatnot you should aim for about 60g’s at each meal (granted you have 6 meals a day) that includes having a few protein shakes to supplement the chicken and what not.
I just think it’d be good for you to do that so your getting protein consistently all day and not just carbs at a meal, think the bodyfat will be kept at bay more-so this way as well and well protein builds muscle! lol[/quote]
When someone has made the progress he has, the proper action should be to take notes, not to recommend he change what he is doing.
I have a hard time understanding the logic here at times. People smaller than the guys they are trying to correct leave me perplexed.
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[quote]Shontayne wrote:
@Deat - Nice work here, you are CLEARLY doing things right so just keep plugging away. I am also bulking so hopefully can pick up a few things from you.
I’m taking in 5000cals a day…somedays its really hard to do but its definitely worth it. Unlike most i am just eating the same foods every day with only my dinner changing day to day and a slight reduction of carbs on non training days.
What do you guys think on reducing carbs on non workout days despite bulking? originally i saw this as a clever way to avoid masses of fat gain…but now im starting to think its just stupid as i am starting to feel warn down from my workouts. I’m training 3 days on 1 off: Back & Shoulders & Triceps…Legs…Chest & Biceps. [/quote]
How long have you been on the routine? I ask because I was just in the same boat as you. I went from 2 on, 1 off, 2 on, 1 off and switched over to 4 on, 1 off. I just took out my days rest but didn’t change the volume or anything else so I burnt out on it REAL fast.
[quote]ashylarryku wrote:
[quote]Shontayne wrote:
@Deat - Nice work here, you are CLEARLY doing things right so just keep plugging away. I am also bulking so hopefully can pick up a few things from you.
I’m taking in 5000cals a day…somedays its really hard to do but its definitely worth it. Unlike most i am just eating the same foods every day with only my dinner changing day to day and a slight reduction of carbs on non training days.
What do you guys think on reducing carbs on non workout days despite bulking? originally i saw this as a clever way to avoid masses of fat gain…but now im starting to think its just stupid as i am starting to feel warn down from my workouts. I’m training 3 days on 1 off: Back & Shoulders & Triceps…Legs…Chest & Biceps. [/quote]
How long have you been on the routine? I ask because I was just in the same boat as you. I went from 2 on, 1 off, 2 on, 1 off and switched over to 4 on, 1 off. I just took out my days rest but didn’t change the volume or anything else so I burnt out on it REAL fast.[/quote]
Not sure what your saying, think i may have missled you.
My last training session i just didnt feel so good…it may have just been an off day but i didnt feel so good. Managed to finish the session despite wanting to walk out on it a few times because i just wasnt lifting my usual weights. This was yesterday, i went home ate a tonne of carbs and slept well while today i am also eating alot of carbs (700g). I feel completly fresh again today.
So i put the bad session down to either a bad day or not eating enough. As eating loads helped me recover so quick i am planning on keeping my carbs high on my off days aswell. Was just curious on other members thoughts on this, in particular the bigger guys.
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
[quote]rasturai wrote:
deat…I’ve looked at your nutrition, I’m definaetly no expert but I really think you gotta up your protein intake man…your eating a lot of carbs (which is not bad) cause you are bulking so it’s good your not afraid to eat the carbs BUT your protein is too low…like 1 chicken breast in the morning…unless they are HUGE, your only getting 20g’s with that no?
At your weight and whatnot you should aim for about 60g’s at each meal (granted you have 6 meals a day) that includes having a few protein shakes to supplement the chicken and what not.
I just think it’d be good for you to do that so your getting protein consistently all day and not just carbs at a meal, think the bodyfat will be kept at bay more-so this way as well and well protein builds muscle! lol[/quote]
An 8 ounce chicken breast has 50 grams of protein. It would have to be a 3 ounce chicken breast to only have 20 grams (one small as chicken breast).[/quote]
Rast,
Thanks for the advice, I appreciate it. Lanky is correct they are 8oz uncooked chicken breasts (Costco is fantastic), so cooked they are about 6oz and 50 odd grams of protein. When the fat starts pilling on I think I’ll definately have to scale the carbs back a bit (with eathier a carb cutoff in the afternoon/post training and/or focus on P+C and P+F meals).
[quote]Shontayne wrote:
@Deat - Nice work here, you are CLEARLY doing things right so just keep plugging away. I am also bulking so hopefully can pick up a few things from you.
I’m taking in 5000cals a day…somedays its really hard to do but its definitely worth it. Unlike most i am just eating the same foods every day with only my dinner changing day to day and a slight reduction of carbs on non training days.
What do you guys think on reducing carbs on non workout days despite bulking? originally i saw this as a clever way to avoid masses of fat gain…but now im starting to think its just stupid as i am starting to feel warn down from my workouts. I’m training 3 days on 1 off: Back & Shoulders & Triceps…Legs…Chest & Biceps. [/quote]
Shon,
Thanks for the comment. Eating 5000kcals is work. Especially if it’s not complete crap (all candy, donuts, soda). One thing that I have noticed is if I start only eating when I am “hungry” weight just starts coming off. I sometimes do this on the weekends, just to give my digestive tract a break. Losing weight will be pretty interesting once I get up to about 300 lbs, as I will have a significant amount of lean-mass and my metabolism will be used to so many kcals.
Keep putting in work.
-Deat
deat speaking of costco I gotta find that 8oz chicken breast…I’ve been buying a box of chicken breasts and each 100grams is 19g protein…so I have to eat 2 and a half…taste like shit after a while…so now I’m going to buy whole chickens cooked, for 6.99…almost equals out the same…don’t ahve to cook it and tastes amazing lol.
plus you have the dark and white meat on it…so it’s not just eating the same ol shit all the time. I am going to costco now tohugh, I will check out those 8oz chickens.
[quote]rasturai wrote:
plus you have the dark and white meat on it…so it’s not just eating the same ol shit all the time. I am going to costco now tohugh, I will check out those 8oz chickens.[/quote]
They’re high quality 12 half pound boneless skinless breasts frozen ($2.99 a lb i think). The cooked whole chickens are crazy good, simply because of all the fat (not bad just a consideration to make).