Bulking, Good Progress But I Want More

Nutrition
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Haha this looks like a diet I would use to get bigger haha but i would probably have more doughnuts then you :slight_smile:

I am under the impression you are not one of the few who can eat this way sooo off the top of my head heres a better solution:

1 cup oatmeal, 1 tbsp peanut butter 2 scoops whey in water

4 eggs whole 6 egg white 3 slices ezekiel bread

1 cup oatmeal 1 tbsp peanut butter 2 scoops protein in water

8 oz chicken 1 cup rice 1 cup broccoli

peri workout drink half 15 min before the rest during
50 g fast digesting carb
25g fast digesting protein

8oz beef or steak 1 cup broccoli 1 large sweet potatoe

2 scoops whey protein in water with 1 tbsp olive oil

take fish oil and a multivitamin,

Im not saying FOLLOW this because i have no idea how much you weigh, this is a good place to start, if your gainning too much fat then scale it back, if your not gaining a lb a week or .5lb a week add more, be patient.
Im a bit fan of mini diets for 1 week that are very strict in order to kind of reset things and lose a bit of water, little bit of fat, although im sure a lot of people dont aggree with this. Hope this helps, good luck

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[quote]eyegainweightbig wrote:
The hamburger helper HAS lean ground beef in it, I add it in. I am not sticking up for hamburger helper, just making sure you guys realize what it is.

Anyways, I definitely will get at least the eggs and coconut oil organic. And I will stop eating hamburger helper and mac n cheese and crap with white pasta and carbs.

  1. The thing is, how do I get my carbs now? Am I really supposed to eat 4000 calories of salmon, eggs, chicken, beef, and coconut/red palm oil all day?

  2. Also, my shakes have good ingredients: Whey protein, serving of oats, NATURAL peanut butter, and a banana. Since the banana and oats have carbs. is it still ok to have this shake in the morning and post workout?

  3. What kinds of vegetables are the best, and how many servings a day?

  4. Why exactly are pussy vegetables necessary for bodybuilding? (I am definitely starting to eat them for health benefits though, but just wondering about how it would be beneficial for bodybuilding besides making me full so I cant get in extra cals from protein.)

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  1. Most BBers eat rice/oats/potatoes/ezekiel bread - but yes they’re not as calorie or carb dense as white pasta so you’ll have to eat more

  2. It’s fine as a morning shake but I doubt anyone would recommend slow digesting carbs+fats PWO. Could just do a couple scoops of whey PWO and a solid meal an hour later.

  3. Green Vegetables. A cup of broccoli and a cup of spinach a day is a good idea.

  4. Very little, but as you said you don’t eat them for bodybuilding.

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Man, this thread is kinda hard to deliver any good advice on.
What do you really want from your training? Do you want to be huge?
If you do want to get HYOOGE then you’re going to have to eat big. If this is your goal, then I wouldn’t cut out the Hamburger Helper, I would just add in more good sources of nutrients along side of your massive amounts of pasta and ground beef. Think of all those Hamburger Helper calories as the gas, and think of everything else as brake fluid, engine coolant, oil, etc.

The truth is your probably not training hard enough, and you probably don’t know what “hard enough” is. The bigger you eat, the bigger you have to lift, we don’t arbitrarily force feed, we do it to force out a new Squat PR every Leg day. You’re eating big, but you’re not training big enough.

I’m also not saying that Hamburger Helper is an ideal food choice…
But if you’re training hard enough, anything with fats, carbs, or protein is going to illicit good SIZE gains.
You mentioned you’re in school so I’m assuming you’re relatively young, don’t waste any time if your goal is to be huge like CT, X, or any of the other really big guys out there.

Eat big, train bigger.

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[quote]Blackaggar wrote:
Haha this looks like a diet I would use to get bigger haha but i would probably have more doughnuts then you :slight_smile:

I am under the impression you are not one of the few who can eat this way sooo off the top of my head heres a better solution:

1 cup oatmeal, 1 tbsp peanut butter 2 scoops whey in water

4 eggs whole 6 egg white 3 slices ezekiel bread

1 cup oatmeal 1 tbsp peanut butter 2 scoops protein in water

8 oz chicken 1 cup rice 1 cup broccoli

peri workout drink half 15 min before the rest during
50 g fast digesting carb
25g fast digesting protein

8oz beef or steak 1 cup broccoli 1 large sweet potatoe

2 scoops whey protein in water with 1 tbsp olive oil

take fish oil and a multivitamin,

Im not saying FOLLOW this because i have no idea how much you weigh, this is a good place to start, if your gainning too much fat then scale it back, if your not gaining a lb a week or .5lb a week add more, be patient.
Im a bit fan of mini diets for 1 week that are very strict in order to kind of reset things and lose a bit of water, little bit of fat, although im sure a lot of people dont aggree with this. Hope this helps, good luck[/quote]
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I would def need more cals, but those are good food choices that I will start choosing thanks

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]eyegainweightbig wrote:
The hamburger helper HAS lean ground beef in it, I add it in. I am not sticking up for hamburger helper, just making sure you guys realize what it is.

Anyways, I definitely will get at least the eggs and coconut oil organic. And I will stop eating hamburger helper and mac n cheese and crap with white pasta and carbs.

  1. The thing is, how do I get my carbs now? Am I really supposed to eat 4000 calories of salmon, eggs, chicken, beef, and coconut/red palm oil all day?

  2. Also, my shakes have good ingredients: Whey protein, serving of oats, NATURAL peanut butter, and a banana. Since the banana and oats have carbs. is it still ok to have this shake in the morning and post workout?

  3. What kinds of vegetables are the best, and how many servings a day?

  4. Why exactly are pussy vegetables necessary for bodybuilding? (I am definitely starting to eat them for health benefits though, but just wondering about how it would be beneficial for bodybuilding besides making me full so I cant get in extra cals from protein.)

[/quote]

  1. Most BBers eat rice/oats/potatoes/ezekiel bread - but yes they’re not as calorie or carb dense as white pasta so you’ll have to eat more

  2. It’s fine as a morning shake but I doubt anyone would recommend slow digesting carbs+fats PWO. Could just do a couple scoops of whey PWO and a solid meal an hour later.

  3. Green Vegetables. A cup of broccoli and a cup of spinach a day is a good idea.

  4. Very little, but as you said you don’t eat them for bodybuilding.[/quote]

  5. Ok, I would just want the extra cals from the pb though. You think it would really make or break me if I had the shake post workout? People on here eat a meal with some sort of fat from oils post workout, isnt that pretty much the same?

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[quote]iVoodoo wrote:
Man, this thread is kinda hard to deliver any good advice on.
What do you really want from your training? Do you want to be huge?
If you do want to get HYOOGE then you’re going to have to eat big. If this is your goal, then I wouldn’t cut out the Hamburger Helper, I would just add in more good sources of nutrients along side of your massive amounts of pasta and ground beef. Think of all those Hamburger Helper calories as the gas, and think of everything else as brake fluid, engine coolant, oil, etc.

The truth is your probably not training hard enough, and you probably don’t know what “hard enough” is. The bigger you eat, the bigger you have to lift, we don’t arbitrarily force feed, we do it to force out a new Squat PR every Leg day. You’re eating big, but you’re not training big enough.

I’m also not saying that Hamburger Helper is an ideal food choice…
But if you’re training hard enough, anything with fats, carbs, or protein is going to illicit good SIZE gains.
You mentioned you’re in school so I’m assuming you’re relatively young, don’t waste any time if your goal is to be huge like CT, X, or any of the other really big guys out there.

Eat big, train bigger.

[/quote]
Good analogies.
Well after this thread I am definitely done with the hamburger helper after everyone dissed it. I will take my carbs from oats and whole grain/wheat breads now

And I upped the volume on my training by adding an extra top set and an extra exercise or two to each day

And what the hell does everyone recommend ezekiel bread for? Im not religious. Cant i just go with whole wheat bread, instead of some jewish kosher bread with bible statements on it?

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DISCLAIMER: I’M NOT A VET OR SUPER EXPERIENCED, SO WHAT I SAY IS COMING FROM MY LIMITED EXPERIENCE

OP, I’ve been in the same boat. College student, fast-metabolism, and thought basically more calories = more weight = more muscle, but thats not how it is. At 6’3", i bulked from 140 to a pretty sloppy 230 (had a hint of upper abs, but looked bad), mostly due to the fact I had a goal BODYWEIGHT in mind, instead of making the weight on the bar the #1 priority, and so I started eating around 4500-5000 calories, coming MOSTLY from good stuff, but alot from cookies, low quality cafetria food, ect. This summer I used the leangains method to drop down to 200-205 depending on the time, with full abs, while increasing my strength the whole time. Im starting back up with more reasonable bulking approach, and like you will have to eat a good deal of calories. I’d stick with eggs, brown rice, beef/chicken/pork, tuna, oats, protein powder, cottage cheese, and honestly, that’s about it. I just bought some VCO to add for the health benefits, and I take fish oil with a multi everyday/ I just think unless you need 5000+ calories a day, the foods above can be used to construct an intelligent diet plan without the need of ‘hamburger helper’.

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[quote]
And what the hell does everyone recommend ezekiel bread for? Im not religious. [/quote]

Thats hilarious. I have nothing to add, carry on.

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It was a half joke

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[quote]eyegainweightbig wrote:
It was a half joke[/quote]

Did you google the nutrition profile of ezekiel bread?

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]eyegainweightbig wrote:
It was a half joke[/quote]

Did you google the nutrition profile of ezekiel bread?
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Yeah I read that it is vegan and organic. Haven’t read why its any different or better than whole wheat bread? I have plenty of other things to resarch besides the next brand of bread that I’m about to buy so I’ll just assume its better based on how everyone seems to be eating it.

Nervous about starting cardio. I’m afraid I am going to burn muscle and lose weight. Do you do cardio?
I just wanna start for health benefits

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I do cardio…I tend to do more cardio when I’m trying to gain weight as opposed to when I’m in a caloric deficit. Seriously.

I don’t eat much grains myself…other than whole wheat pasta for Sunday dinner because my mom cooks it and bingo…ezekiel bread. It’s sprouted grains which eliminates a lot of the problems linked to grains in general.

Other than that…I tend to eat very starch oriented carbs: Potatoes, white rice, sweet potato… The only grain I really eat a decent amount of are oats. I tolerate them fine…so I eat them. No I’m not paleo…but, I see good points to a lot of the ideas. So…Potatoes, white rice, sweet potatoes, oats, some sprouted bread from time to time…and pasta around once a week. I do eat refined flour once in a while…or refined sugars…but they are far from staples in my diet…

All of my protein sources tend to be lean…for red meat I eat sirloin or new york strip…top roast. Chicken breast… a decent amount of fish as well. I do eat whole eggs on my lower carb days…and eat more egg whites on my higher carb days. For whites…I use one whole egg for every 6 whites. Soooo… lean beef, chicken, fish, eggs.

I eat a lot of green fibrous vegetables everyday…particularly broccoli. I also like peppers, spinach, cauliflower, cucumbers etc. I eat about 4-6 servings atleast a day of veggies…sometimes more…rarely less.

I tend to eat more fruit on my higher carb days. Most of my fruit intake comes by way of strawberries, blueberries, bananas, and apples. Those are just what I happen to like. I don’t eat a great deal of fruit though.

Fats…I like to add my fats in order to hit my macros for fats…which is why I typically eat mainly lean protein sources. I like olive oil mainly because I’m Italian and its readily available in my house due to my parents grocery shopping. I use organic coconut oil when I can afford it sometimes. I also like peanut butter/almond butter…

Supplements…simple…a higher quality fish oil (I use nutrasea), I use whey protein, casein protein, BCAAs prior to fasted training, about 3 grams of vit C a day, ZMA…and I use a glucose disposal agent.

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If you’re uncomfortable with the name ezekiel bread, use it’s secular synonym: spelt bread.

If whole wheat bread is all you can do, it’s still a significant improvement over white pasta.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:
If you’re uncomfortable with the name ezekiel bread, use it’s secular synonym: spelt bread.

If whole wheat bread is all you can do, it’s still a significant improvement over white pasta.

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I sort of agree with you…I don’t see much of a big deal with white pasta versus commercial wheat bread…

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[quote]eyegainweightbig wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]eyegainweightbig wrote:
It was a half joke[/quote]

Did you google the nutrition profile of ezekiel bread?
[/quote]
Yeah I read that it is vegan and organic. Haven’t read why its any different or better than whole wheat bread? I have plenty of other things to resarch besides the next brand of bread that I’m about to buy so I’ll just assume its better based on how everyone seems to be eating it.

Nervous about starting cardio. I’m afraid I am going to burn muscle and lose weight. Do you do cardio?
I just wanna start for health benefits[/quote]

Huh?

Nutritional profile = calories, macronutrient breakdown, vit/min, etc.

It’s not a brand of bread. It’s a specific grain. Not wheat.

edit

whether I do cardio is very irrelevant for your situation. We have very different body types.

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While hamburger helper all day everyday may be a poor choice, I knew tons of guys especially when I was in high school who ate pasta regularly to put that size on. I am talking guys the size of many good high school football players. It all comes down to your activity level and genetics. I see people making statements as if white pasta will kill you. I hope these extremely strong stances against certain foods are leading to more muscle gains.

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Everyone who has posted on your thread is giving you great advice, based on your picture you do not have the genetics to use “dirty calories” to bulk. Also judging by your picture it appears you store a lot of visceral fat which is an indicator for a myriad of negative cardiovascular conditions.

Go get a blood test now and see what your poop diet and granny cardio has done to your health, I would bet it’s not good. Implement what has been said here especially by Bonez and Facko and get your blood checked again in a couple months, not only will you look and feel better on the outside but your insides will be in much better condition.

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Thanks for the posts guys. Wow I am glad I made this thread!
So food from the mountain dog diet and cardio 3x a week

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
While hamburger helper all day everyday may be a poor choice, I knew tons of guys especially when I was in high school who ate pasta regularly to put that size on. I am talking guys the size of many good high school football players. It all comes down to your activity level and genetics. I see people making statements as if white pasta will kill you. I hope these extremely strong stances against certain foods are leading to more muscle gains.[/quote]

I agree… When people say pasta and fruit make them fat, I just don’t know what to say.

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[quote]facko wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
While hamburger helper all day everyday may be a poor choice, I knew tons of guys especially when I was in high school who ate pasta regularly to put that size on. I am talking guys the size of many good high school football players. It all comes down to your activity level and genetics. I see people making statements as if white pasta will kill you. I hope these extremely strong stances against certain foods are leading to more muscle gains.[/quote]

I agree… When people say pasta and fruit make them fat, I just don’t know what to say. [/quote]

I do. People like to be “against” something. They also like blaming everything else other than themselves for what got them fat.

When I was carrying more fat, it wasn’t because of “white bread”. It was because I was trying to hold a certain body weight, I wasn’t doing any cardio at all, had been injured and I like Pizza Hut.

You don’t blame pasta for that. Pasta has helped quite a few guys get big. In the 80’s, that was what many big guys relied on in the off season.

It comes down to eating in the way that works for you…and yeah, for some guys, if Hamburger helper can help you out in gaining that size, so be it. Just realize that there can always be too much of something so moderation should be the goal.