[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]LiquidMercury wrote:
Chest-supported rows:
I also do a barbell version of these.[/quote]
Thanks Duce.
How do you get past the restriction caused by the support underneath using a barbell?
–Bench
[quote]benchaholic wrote:
How the heck can you breathe with 300-400 lbs or so of pressure on your ribcage?
–Bench[/quote]
you grow a pair of balls. cures quite a bit of lifes problems actually.
Glad I could help
–DF
this is my bread and butter row movement.
the back strength really becomes an issue when you are pausing a bench on the chest. touch and go benching isn’t as crucial but rowing the weight down, building tension in the lats to allow yourslef to hold that weight at the chest and then having the power to press off the chest without dipping the bar requires tremendous upper back and bicep strength.
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Thats friggin insane weight. You’d have to carry me out on a stretcher for even trying to pick it up off the rack. :-#
[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:
[quote]benchaholic wrote:
How the heck can you breathe with 300-400 lbs or so of pressure on your ribcage?
–Bench[/quote]
you grow a pair of balls. cures quite a bit of lifes problems actually.
Glad I could help
–DF [/quote]
LOL!!!
[quote]benchaholic wrote:
this is my bread and butter row movement.
the back strength really becomes an issue when you are pausing a bench on the chest. touch and go benching isn’t as crucial but rowing the weight down, building tension in the lats to allow yourslef to hold that weight at the chest and then having the power to press off the chest without dipping the bar requires tremendous upper back and bicep strength.
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Thats friggin insane weight. You’d have to carry me out on a stretcher for even trying to pick it up off the rack. :-#
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that’s the kind of strength that’s need though to totally control heavy weight when benching. lowering the weight and holding it at the chest is mostly done with the back. that’s why i say that to have a big competition bench your rowing strength and bench repping strength should be pretty close. that’s also why i prefer to do my rows bent over instead of supported. bending over and supporting the weight while rowing it requires a ton of lower back and core strength. both of these are needed as well to pause big weight. if there is a weak area ultimately it will come out in the way of an injury. most of my training is done around the basic lifts- bench, squat, deadlift, standing military press and bent over rows. as a result i have developed overall strength with no glaring weaknesses with no injuries…knock on wood.
[quote]benchaholic wrote:
I also do a barbell version of these.[/quote]
If done with a barbell, how do you get past the restriction due to the support rod on the bottom?[/quote]
It depends on how the bench is set up. but I essentially stand with my feet on the ground and my chest overhanging the end of the bench. I really lean over the bench more than lay on it.
[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
[quote]benchaholic wrote:
this is my bread and butter row movement.
the back strength really becomes an issue when you are pausing a bench on the chest. touch and go benching isn’t as crucial but rowing the weight down, building tension in the lats to allow yourslef to hold that weight at the chest and then having the power to press off the chest without dipping the bar requires tremendous upper back and bicep strength.
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Thats friggin insane weight. You’d have to carry me out on a stretcher for even trying to pick it up off the rack. :-#
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that’s the kind of strength that’s need though to totally control heavy weight when benching. lowering the weight and holding it at the chest is mostly done with the back. that’s why i say that to have a big competition bench your rowing strength and bench repping strength should be pretty close. that’s also why i prefer to do my rows bent over instead of supported. bending over and supporting the weight while rowing it requires a ton of lower back and core strength. both of these are needed as well to pause big weight. if there is a weak area ultimately it will come out in the way of an injury. most of my training is done around the basic lifts- bench, squat, deadlift, standing military press and bent over rows. as a result i have developed overall strength with no glaring weaknesses with no injuries…knock on wood.
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Thanks man. I’ve got my work cut out for me for sure.
Im on it.
–Bench
I’d like to chime in with a few things…
Yeah man, get a proper set up PRONTO, those benches like you got, and I have one too, are good for dumbbell presses and stuff but not for the weight we’re throwing around. Plus like the other guy said they are narrow and too high to get some proper leg drive. The only thing holding it in position is a metal pin in a hole! Lord only knows when it’s going to shear off. So for the sake of your DD having wife… ;), think about it…
No one else had said this so I’ll just say it. I mean no disrespect…I’m impressed that you have gotten as far as you have on the bench press. I’ve been fighting for every pound on my lifts for about 4 years now and I have been a student of the game if you will.
I’ve made and continue to make gains, albeit small ones to get my 405 ish Raw bench. Slow and steady right? You on the other hand seemingly don’t know much about the mechanics of the bench, due to the lack of knowledge about how important the back is in a bench movement yet are throwing up 475. It’s sort of an “all balls, no brains” kind of thing. I know that was a back handed compliment…so basically I’m JEALOUS!! lol.
Anyways, I’m thinking if you read up on how to properly bench and get some of the advice given to you going you’ll blow away that 500# barrier. later man
[quote]StrengthDawg wrote:
I’d like to chime in with a few things…
Yeah man, get a proper set up PRONTO, those benches like you got, and I have one too, are good for dumbbell presses and stuff but not for the weight we’re throwing around. Plus like the other guy said they are narrow and too high to get some proper leg drive. The only thing holding it in position is a metal pin in a hole! Lord only knows when it’s going to shear off. So for the sake of your DD having wife… ;), think about it…
No one else had said this so I’ll just say it. I mean no disrespect…I’m impressed that you have gotten as far as you have on the bench press. I’ve been fighting for every pound on my lifts for about 4 years now and I have been a student of the game if you will.
I’ve made and continue to make gains, albeit small ones to get my 405 ish Raw bench. Slow and steady right? You on the other hand seemingly don’t know much about the mechanics of the bench, due to the lack of knowledge about how important the back is in a bench movement yet are throwing up 475. It’s sort of an “all balls, no brains” kind of thing. I know that was a back handed compliment…so basically I’m JEALOUS!! lol.
Anyways, I’m thinking if you read up on how to properly bench and get some of the advice given to you going you’ll blow away that 500# barrier. later man [/quote]
lol…
Thanks SD. I appreciate the input Bro.
Based on my ingorance of all of this information that is new to me, I feel like I am starting from scratch again
Keep me posted on your gains. Sounds like you are on the right track man.
–Bench
Ok… I’m calling troll. There is no way a grown man can act like this. I just don’t… I just don’t. Its too much… breathing is just so hard.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]benchaholic wrote:
I also do a barbell version of these.[/quote]
If done with a barbell, how do you get past the restriction due to the support rod on the bottom?[/quote]
It depends on how the bench is set up. but I essentially stand with my feet on the ground and my chest overhanging the end of the bench. I really lean over the bench more than lay on it.[/quote]
DDuce. I guess I would have to see a video of that. I’m not exactly sure how I could clear the obstruction underneath the bench. I think the core strength mentioned above (without the support) would have added benefit, however, lower back area seems to be a bit of a problem – thus creating a risk. Thanks though, I’ll keep it under advisement. I’m probably going to go for two or three reps of 465 on the bench before jumping up a notch. This is how I have been able to increase more and more. Usually when I get to a maximum amount of weight, and I can do two or three repetitions I will usually bump the weight up a bit.
Thanks Bro,
–Bench
[quote]LiquidMercury wrote:
Tax dollars don’t support trolls, idiocy and arguing with them supports trolls.
Upper back strength is paramount to huge benches. Just ask the guys at westside barbell, where guys have benched 700, 800, 900 lbs.
Your bench is likely to get you killed. It’s a bit high, a bit narrow, and most likely can’t support the amount of weight your lifting. It’s probably over the weight limit when you’re benching (400 lbs weight limit most likely). If your bench breaks while you have weight in your hands, you’re likely to die. Your arms will snap and compress as they hit the floor when your bench breaks, you’ll then have 465 or whatever you’ve got in your hands coming down onto your sternum, shattering it, likely breaking your back as well.
http://www.flexcart.com/members/elitefts/default.asp?m=PD[/quote]
Liquid. Thanks for creeping me out with reality here. I need to get a lower competition type bench. These are pretty easy to find.
Thanks again
–Bench
[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
[quote]benchaholic wrote:
lol… ok Liquid. I’ll try to behave. Trolls are a dime a dozen whos main objective is to crap out someone’s thread. But I am gled to see my tax dollars hard at work supporting thier welfare asses…lol.
In all seriousness though, I appreciate your straight forward advice. It is valued here. I went to sports authority and play it again sports and they dont have jack squat by way of heavy dumbell stuff.
Honestly, this is the first that I have heard of upper back helping a benchpress max; but Im going with the advice.
There is no friggin way that I can do barbell rows that heavy.
Last night I did 150lb one arm dumbell rows with a very awkward self assembled dumbell. A barbell equivellant would be 300 and to bend over with that would be suicide for my lower back.
Im trying to visualize what meat or massiveguns was saying about using the bench for support but am having difficulty. Do you know of any links of heavy barbell rows doing this using a bench for support?
Thanks again Bro
–Bench[/quote]
this is my bread and butter row movement.
the back strength really becomes an issue when you are pausing a bench on the chest. touch and go benching isn’t as crucial but rowing the weight down, building tension in the lats to allow yourslef to hold that weight at the chest and then having the power to press off the chest without dipping the bar requires tremendous upper back and bicep strength.
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Mauradermeat
Just a real quick question on the halfway down BP lifts. I had never seen this kind of a lift before until I saw CT doing those in iBodyBuilder. I’m assuming those target the triceps? Are there any benefits to doing those? I started off this thread doing reps of three with 505 pounds and must admit that my bench press did not increase until I started doing these frequently. I appreciate it if you could give me some pointers in regard to halfway down lifts.
– Bench
Ok here’s the deal.
Marauder is spot on. He went into more detail than I could be bothered to type at the time. He is dead right about rowing as much as you can bench. Upper back strength is so important for the bench as you move up the poundage its unreal.
Heavy partials, or halfway down lifts as you call them are good for the triceps. They will help you lockout the bar if that is where you are having problems.
What it all boils down to is this: You can only lift as much as your biggest weak point will let you. In every lifters anatomy, there is always a weak point, and this is always the limiting factor in your lifts. If you target the weakpoint/s, you will increase your poundage. You will then reach another limit, and find another weakpoint. Sometimes this is the same muscle group, sometimes not.
You have to address them based on the information you have available. In your bench video, although the form was poor, was full of information. You had a clear sticking point in the lower portion of the lift. The cause is a weak back. Your bar speed is slow, slower than it should be. The reason is also due to your back weakness. Because you are lacking the strength to control the bar at the base of the lift, you are losing momentum, and then grinding a lockout, when you should be exploding into the lift. If you properly address that upper back, all kinds of great things will happen, that will allow you to lift more.
Get some bands/chains and DO SPEED WORK, and START ROWING LIKE A MOTHERFUCKER.
[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
Ok here’s the deal.
Marauder is spot on. He went into more detail than I could be bothered to type at the time. He is dead right about rowing as much as you can bench. Upper back strength is so important for the bench as you move up the poundage its unreal.
Heavy partials, or halfway down lifts as you call them are good for the triceps. They will help you lockout the bar if that is where you are having problems.
What it all boils down to is this: You can only lift as much as your biggest weak point will let you. In every lifters anatomy, there is always a weak point, and this is always the limiting factor in your lifts. If you target the weakpoint/s, you will increase your poundage. You will then reach another limit, and find another weakpoint. Sometimes this is the same muscle group, sometimes not.
You have to address them based on the information you have available. In your bench video, although the form was poor, was full of information. You had a clear sticking point in the lower portion of the lift. The cause is a weak back. Your bar speed is slow, slower than it should be. The reason is also due to your back weakness. Because you are lacking the strength to control the bar at the base of the lift, you are losing momentum, and then grinding a lockout, when you should be exploding into the lift. If you properly address that upper back, all kinds of great things will happen, that will allow you to lift more.
Get some bands/chains and DO SPEED WORK, and START ROWING LIKE A MOTHERFUCKER.
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Im going to have to get my butt down to a Golds Gym where all of the strength equipment is. Also some dudes that can crawl down my throat when I am doing my lifts with poor form. I think Ive done myself a disservice by going solo. Ive learned more in the last few days than I have in the last three years. Thanks Man. If heavy rows are needed then heavy rows it is. I’ll post progress videos as the increase comes.
–Bench
Just got done doing back. Started off doing ample warm-up for bent over rows. I did five sets of eight reps with 275 pounds. I know that’s pitiful. However, I could feel my lower back beginning to feel a bit of a tingle. It kind of spooked me a bit. So as Dixie said I need to get some bigger balls (lol…). Anyway, 275 without support was like jumping off the end of the pier for me and admittedly I was a bit spooked. However, I adjust pretty quickly and feel that I can start doing nonsupported bent over rows with over 300 pretty soon. That is pure speculation. However, I know that my body rapidly adapts when forced to do so.
I’m out of here for the rest of the day. I have some scheduled depositions the rest of the afternoon.
Later Y’all,
– Bench
I second giving this man a cookie.
[quote]BlackLabel wrote:
I second giving this man a cookie.[/quote]
Sounds good. I like cookies.
BTW throw up a video of your max. Especially if you bench over 450.
Thanks for joining the thread big guy.
–Bench
[quote]benchaholic wrote:
[quote]BlackLabel wrote:
I second giving this man a cookie.[/quote]
Sounds good. I like cookies.
BTW throw up a video of your max. Especially if you bench over 450.
Thanks for joining the thread big guy.
–Bench
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Maybe I should just start a new thread? Let people rub on ma balls, just like you BENCH!
[quote]benchaholic wrote:
Liquid. Thanks for creeping me out with reality here. I need to get a lower competition type bench. These are pretty easy to find.
Thanks again
–Bench[/quote]
I’ve just seen it happen and I wish that on no one.