This is also why I’ll be eternally surprised that people around here earn degrees and don’t get fired from jobs constantly!
If I were a professor and had to CONSTANTLY REWIND and REPEAT everything because of incoherent, helpless, nagging students, I’d boot them out of lectures!
Same goes if I were a boss, but in that case I’d boot them out of a job.
Constantly increasing your strength, and doing 100’s of chins and dips a week is going to put on muscle…I went from 210-225 in my first 5 cycles…and after lifting for as long as I have (15 years), it was rewarding.
As a caveat, I do the bodybuilding style of 5/3/1…similar to Marudermeat.
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Constantly increasing your strength, and doing 100’s of chins and dips a week is going to put on muscle…I went from 210-225 in my first 5 cycles…and after lifting for as long as I have (15 years), it was rewarding.
As a caveat, I do the bodybuilding style of 5/3/1…similar to Marudermeat.[/quote]
don’t bring me into this…i’m only using 5/3/1 because i haven’t learned what works for me:)
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
X, a lot of people follow a program because they don’t know how to find what “works optimally” for them. How does one find such an equilibrium?[/quote]
One way is paying attention to the progress made…but that assumes someone is actually making progress and not gaining 5lbs, getting scared and dieting back down to nothing.
ANY decent program that isn’t ignoring muscle groups should help someone gain muscle…but if your goal is to not simply be a weekend warrior type and be someone who stands out in a room, obviously doing shit randomly without understanding what works best for you will hold you back in the long run.
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
This is also why I’ll be eternally surprised that people around here earn degrees and don’t get fired from jobs constantly!
If I were a professor and had to CONSTANTLY REWIND and REPEAT everything because of incoherent, helpless, nagging students, I’d boot them out of lectures!
Same goes if I were a boss, but in that case I’d boot them out of a job. [/quote]
I often wonder how they hold down jobs or even function if you can write one thing but they see something completely different.
I also know that they only react that way with certain people. I have seen Bonez write shit way more harsh than anything I write and no one is throwing tantrums about it.
[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Constantly increasing your strength, and doing 100’s of chins and dips a week is going to put on muscle…I went from 210-225 in my first 5 cycles…and after lifting for as long as I have (15 years), it was rewarding.
As a caveat, I do the bodybuilding style of 5/3/1…similar to Marudermeat.[/quote]
don’t bring me into this…i’m only using 5/3/1 because i haven’t learned what works for me:)
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hahaha…touche’
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Brick,
Is this forum for the “get them off the couch and computer” crowd? I do believe they made the effort to name this forum for bodybuilding and added “conditioning” so that we would NOT get bogged down with the “get them off the couch and computer” crowd.
Those people won’t make much progress anyway so why would we care which program they use?
One poster actually wrote that he doesn’t want to know why what he is doing works or not. This is now the “Mediocre Lifter” forum?
What should the topics be in a forum like that?[/quote]
Like you, I don’t care what programs that demographic uses. Despite my goals changing form pure bodybuilding, I STILL don’t have the mindset as they for designing my program. My program includes lifting, conditioning (sprints on a REAL indoor or outdoor track - not a treadmill), and some low level intensity running; it’s still hard work and I don’t do it just to get off the couch and “get some exercise in”.
I was speaking universally because from a public health standpoint (I work in health as do you) I simply LIKE seeing people getting SOME exercise - even if it means doing whatever in the gym or outdoors. As I said a thousand times, there are people who are incoherent and incapable.
(This is not written to make fun of people. If they are that bad at it, then they should hire a fuckin trainer and/or dietitian or nutritionist. I suck at some things, and will never be good at them, let alone have minimal competence in them. For those things, I either don’t bother, or hire someone to do it. I can’t fix cars, reprogram computers, or do my own taxes, and I wouldn’t be able to serve as my own lawyer. So I go to the service shop. I have a computer guy. I use an accountant. If I were in trouble with the law, I’d need a state appointed attorney or to cough up the dough for an independent one.)
I suggest a general training or fitness forum. You weren’t fond of it. A conditionign thread wouldn’t cover what we speak of here. 5/3/1 is a lifting program with conditioning and other elements in it (as do bodybuilding programs with cardio and stretching).
How do you keep irrelevant threads (irrelevant to bodybuilding) out of here? I don’t know. You’re not a mod. You can choose to make your own forum and website (for cheap) for which it wouldn’t be hard to get traffic to considering your fan base, ignore irrelevant threads, and/or go to a forum that actually has a great deal of behemoths and competitors (those forums do exist but I can’t list them here). Wouldn’t that save you some frustration? You seem frustrated, but I could be wrong.
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
How do you keep irrelevant threads (irrelevant to bodybuilding) out of here? I don’t know. You’re not a mod. You can choose to make your own forum and website (for cheap) for which it wouldn’t be hard to get traffic to considering your fan base, ignore irrelevant threads, and/or go to a forum that actually has a great deal of behemoths and competitors (those forums do exist but I can’t list them here). Wouldn’t that save you some frustration? You seem frustrated, but I could be wrong. [/quote]
I am a mod and if you haven’t noticed, this is the cleanest this forum has been as far as that is concerned in years. There used to be nothing but thread after thread from people who didn’t even want big muscles at all.
I am not to blame for that though because the other mods do most of the clean up here and move the threads. I just know that when we stop being active and allow this in large amounts, the flood gates are opened and we drown like New Orleans under the weight of couch potatoes and people who only want to train one day a week.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
How do you keep irrelevant threads (irrelevant to bodybuilding) out of here? I don’t know. You’re not a mod. You can choose to make your own forum and website (for cheap) for which it wouldn’t be hard to get traffic to considering your fan base, ignore irrelevant threads, and/or go to a forum that actually has a great deal of behemoths and competitors (those forums do exist but I can’t list them here). Wouldn’t that save you some frustration? You seem frustrated, but I could be wrong. [/quote]
I am a mod and if you haven’t noticed, this is the cleanest this forum has been as far as that is concerned in years. There used to be nothing but thread after thread from people who didn’t even want big muscles at all.
I am not to blame for that though because the other mods do most of the clean up here and move the threads. I just know that when we stop being active and allow this in large amounts, the flood gates are opened and we drown like New Orleans under the weight of couch potatoes and people who only want to train one day a week.[/quote]
Oh, OK. Got it.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
This is also why I’ll be eternally surprised that people around here earn degrees and don’t get fired from jobs constantly!
If I were a professor and had to CONSTANTLY REWIND and REPEAT everything because of incoherent, helpless, nagging students, I’d boot them out of lectures!
Same goes if I were a boss, but in that case I’d boot them out of a job. [/quote]
I often wonder how they hold down jobs or even function if you can write one thing but they see something completely different.
I also know that they only react that way with certain people. I have seen Bonez write shit way more harsh than anything I write and no one is throwing tantrums about it.[/quote]
I have hypnotized them all. ALLLLLL of them
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
This is also why I’ll be eternally surprised that people around here earn degrees and don’t get fired from jobs constantly!
If I were a professor and had to CONSTANTLY REWIND and REPEAT everything because of incoherent, helpless, nagging students, I’d boot them out of lectures!
Same goes if I were a boss, but in that case I’d boot them out of a job. [/quote]
I often wonder how they hold down jobs or even function if you can write one thing but they see something completely different.
I also know that they only react that way with certain people. I have seen Bonez write shit way more harsh than anything I write and no one is throwing tantrums about it.[/quote]
I have hypnotized them all. ALLLLLL of them [/quote]
…and you’re white.
Maybe. Probably.
But I never have and still dont care to discuss that sort of thing on place as ignorant as the internet. So I wont really reply further.
BRAVO BRAVO PROFESSOR X,All of you comments regarding training are spot on.It is one thing to go to the gym with purpose and reason.It is another to go to talk about you program and hang around.Not sure what a fan boy is but i am sure i don’t want to be one lol
I’m kind of reluctant to ask this question, but what the hell, I’m here to learn…
I saw this thread and expected to find some suggestions for accessory lifts geared towards bodybuilding but they didn’t seem to materialise (unless I missed them amongst the banter). Has anyone got any or can anyone point me in the direction of C_C’s suggestions. I’m always interested in what others are doing.
Do what every other bodybuilder has done. Read the stickied threads.
Wendler bases his routine on 4 lifts. Everything else is determined by the individual.
Youre severely overcomplicating this if you think there is a separate list of things ‘approved’ for 531 compared to any other bodybuilding split.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Do what every other bodybuilder has done. Read the stickied threads.
Wendler bases his routine on 4 lifts. Everything else is determined by the individual.
Youre severely overcomplicating this if you think there is a separate list of things ‘approved’ for 531 compared to any other bodybuilding split. [/quote]
Well, that would be clear if I was allowed to question this all mighty program, but clearly this is something you can not do here.
How foolish I was for trying to make sure people understood the WHY involved.
[quote]Merv77 wrote:
I’m kind of reluctant to ask this question, but what the hell, I’m here to learn…
I saw this thread and expected to find some suggestions for accessory lifts geared towards bodybuilding but they didn’t seem to materialise (unless I missed them amongst the banter). Has anyone got any or can anyone point me in the direction of C_C’s suggestions. I’m always interested in what others are doing.[/quote]
Can anyone here stop and THINK of what to do?!
You wanna train chest. Alright, do 5/3/1 for bench press; incline dumbbell press for 3-4 x 8-12; and flyes for 3-4 x 8-12.
THIGHS
Squat: 5/3/1
lunge
leg extension
GHR
leg curl
SHOULDERS
Overhead press: 5/3/1
Overhead dumbbell press
Cable lateral raise
BACK
Deadlifts: 5/3/1
Chinups
Dumbbell rows
Machine pullovers
My god am I creative!
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Do what every other bodybuilder has done. Read the stickied threads.
Wendler bases his routine on 4 lifts. Everything else is determined by the individual.
Youre severely overcomplicating this if you think there is a separate list of things ‘approved’ for 531 compared to any other bodybuilding split. [/quote]
exactly this ^^
All the accessory work is up the the individual, nothing is “approved”.
The only thing 5/3/1 lays out in stone is the ramping for the main lift of the day. I personally do chins 3x a week…and have a arm day on the weekends.
What you do is up to your individual needs.
I also forgot to mention that many advice seekers don’t truly seek advice and are attention mongers who simply want to strike up conversation. I’m not a psychologist, nor do I know them personally; so I don’t know what their reasons for attention seeking are. Maybe they’re lonely or don’t know how to converse with people in a gym.
I actually have a friend who’s far stronger and bigger than me who’s actually hard to get along with at times becuase he doesn’t shut the fuck up with question after question after question on training and nutrition - none of which he likes or follows the answers to! He’s very narcissistic and I now consider his endless questioning a form of seeking attention and focus onto himself. I no longer indulge this sort of shit because after awhile it actually IS INSULTING to harangue people with question after question all the while truly NOT GIVING A SHIT about what they say!
I believe it becomes a form of entertainment for narcissists and SOME noobs - a DIVERSION. And it appears to me that many on here don’t want to speak seriously on nutrition and training but simply use these boards as a form of diversion. I can be WRONG (which I’ve been several times in my life), but this is my “educated suspicion” and leads me to understand why so many personal trainers and nutritionists and dietitians are always five minutes away from saying “Fuck you!” to people who ask for free advice. If I recall correctly, one of the editors on here wrote of how when he asked a top pre-contest prep coach a question, the coaches immediate response was “Suck my dick!”
Ha, I saw that coming, but I hope the below isn’t meant for me, as that would be a large assumption to make from my brief post!
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
I also forgot to mention that many advice seekers don’t truly seek advice and are attention mongers who simply want to strike up conversation. I’m not a psychologist, nor do I know them personally; so I don’t know what their reasons for attention seeking are. Maybe they’re lonely or don’t know how to converse with people in a gym.
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I wasn’t looking for any approved list of accessory lifts, I was just kind of curious what others were doing; how many lifts, number of sets, straight/ramping sets etc.
I can think for myself (but don’t ask me to prove it), I do have the ebook, I don’t want things handed to me on a plate. I like to see what others are doing to see if there is anything I can incorporate into my training. I wouldn’t have thought that was a bad thing.
ETA: reading my post back, it did just look like i wanted a list of exercises… I know what exercises do what, I was actually more interested in what peoples workouts look like.