Bodybuilders Don't Believe Strength is Necessary?

Training Powerlifting
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[quote]casperthegst wrote:

[quote]Reed wrote:

[quote]casperthegst wrote:

[quote]scottkoscielniak wrote:

[quote]anonymous_burn wrote:
Why is anyone even still talking to these idiots? The only way they could be more obvious trolls is if their names were Trolly McTrollerson and their avs were the troll face guy.[/quote]

The reason for me is because he is giving advice that could possible injure someone. While most on this site can sift through the bullshit, there are still a large number of beginner lifters who don’t know who to listen to.

It is rare that I actually speak up against someone on here but I felt obligated to in order to prevent some kid from messing himself up.

I was a trainer in my past career and the last thing I wanted to do was fuck somebody up with bad advice. I guess it just struck a cord with me.[/quote]

And likewise you have struck a cord with me with opinions that you express that I happen to not agree with. I do not possess the means to provide you with credible evidence that this program will not hurt people and vice versa. To all of you other people who have decided to conduct the world grandest bullshit symphony you should know that I log on to TNation to dicuss training not to have semi-circular philosphical debates on semantics.[/quote]

Well maybe you should continue to log onto T-Nation to DISCUSS training and learn but stop giving ADVICE on things your not sure or experienced on.

Bangggkk…wrong again…by what criteria can I possibly use to prove my statements are true or false? A video does not work as criteria. In fact there is no possible way anybody can prove anything over the web.
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well usually recommendations that follow some sort of training principal helps for starters. If you accept my challenge you can show everyone on here that A) you do lift B) your programming is superior therefore we should take your advice C) you have the backbone to back up your claims.

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[quote]Reed wrote:

[quote]casperthegst wrote:

[quote]scottkoscielniak wrote:

[quote]anonymous_burn wrote:
Why is anyone even still talking to these idiots? The only way they could be more obvious trolls is if their names were Trolly McTrollerson and their avs were the troll face guy.[/quote]

The reason for me is because he is giving advice that could possible injure someone. While most on this site can sift through the bullshit, there are still a large number of beginner lifters who don’t know who to listen to.

It is rare that I actually speak up against someone on here but I felt obligated to in order to prevent some kid from messing himself up.

I was a trainer in my past career and the last thing I wanted to do was fuck somebody up with bad advice. I guess it just struck a cord with me.[/quote]

And likewise you have struck a cord with me with opinions that you express that I happen to not agree with. I do not possess the means to provide you with credible evidence that this program will not hurt people and vice versa. To all of you other people who have decided to conduct the world grandest bullshit symphony you should know that I log on to TNation to dicuss training not to have semi-circular philosphical debates on semantics.[/quote]

Well maybe you should continue to log onto T-Nation to DISCUSS training and learn but stop giving ADVICE on things your not sure or experienced on and you will be ok.
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Again…it’s you’re, not your. Get it right!

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[quote]Apoklyps wrote:

[quote]casperthegst wrote:

[quote]Reed wrote:

[quote]casperthegst wrote:
By the way 375 is 75% of 500.[/quote]

Your recommendation had nothing do with 75% for 5 reps it was 85% for 5+ reps which 425.[/quote]

Apparently you do not know to use a training max at 90% of your real max. Now that I think about it you could actuslly use your real max and not do amrap. This would essentially be westide max effort method of course you would have to change exercises each cycle but I digress.[/quote]

If we want to be all technical about it, 85% of 90% =/= 75%. 0.85x0.9 = 76.5% of actual 1RM. While this is much more reasonable, you did not make this clear initially, which is just as bad advice if no one freaking gets it. I still wouldn’t recommend anyone take training advice based on 1RM percentages from someone who doesn’t understand basic mathematical concepts.[/quote]

Training isn’t that complicated, bud.

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[quote]Apoklyps wrote:

[quote]casperthegst wrote:

[quote]Reed wrote:

[quote]casperthegst wrote:
By the way 375 is 75% of 500.[/quote]

Your recommendation had nothing do with 75% for 5 reps it was 85% for 5+ reps which 425.[/quote]

Apparently you do not know to use a training max at 90% of your real max. Now that I think about it you could actuslly use your real max and not do amrap. This would essentially be westide max effort method of course you would have to change exercises each cycle but I digress.[/quote]

If we want to be all technical about it, 85% of 90% =/= 75%. 0.85x0.9 = 76.5% of actual 1RM. While this is much more reasonable, you did not make this clear initially, which is just as bad advice if no one freaking gets it. I still wouldn’t recommend anyone take training advice based on 1RM percentages from someone who doesn’t understand basic mathematical concepts.[/quote]

I’ll humour you once more, since you have a really big mouth and bad attitude for no reason. Here’s a couple quotes of yours from a post you made in the Beginner forum(Sheiko #29 for beginners) just last month:

“Been working out for powerlifting for almost 2 months using a rough 5x5 routine”

and this gem, my favourite:

“Best lifts (no straps, wraps, or belt… yet):
-Squat: 253x2
-Bench: 205x2
-Deadlift: 375x2
-OHP: 125x2”

You have a long, LONG way to go before you can talk smack to anybody. Get to the back of the line, zip your lips, and just listen.

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I got on here to read something to put me to sleep. Thanks.

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[quote]Caltene wrote:

[quote]Apoklyps wrote:

[quote]casperthegst wrote:

[quote]Reed wrote:

[quote]casperthegst wrote:
By the way 375 is 75% of 500.[/quote]

Your recommendation had nothing do with 75% for 5 reps it was 85% for 5+ reps which 425.[/quote]

Apparently you do not know to use a training max at 90% of your real max. Now that I think about it you could actuslly use your real max and not do amrap. This would essentially be westide max effort method of course you would have to change exercises each cycle but I digress.[/quote]

If we want to be all technical about it, 85% of 90% =/= 75%. 0.85x0.9 = 76.5% of actual 1RM. While this is much more reasonable, you did not make this clear initially, which is just as bad advice if no one freaking gets it. I still wouldn’t recommend anyone take training advice based on 1RM percentages from someone who doesn’t understand basic mathematical concepts.[/quote]

I’ll humour you once more, since you have a really big mouth and bad attitude for no reason. Here’s a couple quotes of yours from a post you made in the Beginner forum(Sheiko #29 for beginners) just last month:

“Been working out for powerlifting for almost 2 months using a rough 5x5 routine”

and this gem, my favourite:

“Best lifts (no straps, wraps, or belt… yet):
-Squat: 253x2
-Bench: 205x2
-Deadlift: 375x2
-OHP: 125x2”

You have a long, LONG way to go before you can talk smack to anybody. Get to the back of the line, zip your lips, and just listen. [/quote]
Funny how when you tell people to stop talking it has a tendency to backfire, huh? Human nature is just a bitch, ain’t it?

It’s interesting to note that you have not disputed any of the points that I made, instead resorting to character defamation. Fallacious way to dispute, and indicative of a very immature mind. Additionally, you feel the need to act as a “Grammar Nazi”, when it is clearly of little value to anyone else here. Despite this, you accuse me of having a “really big mouth and bad attitude”. THAT is irony at its best.

I suppose I could sift through crap to find dirt on you as well, but I truly have more important things to do. Toodles.

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[quote]Apoklyps wrote:

[quote]Caltene wrote:

[quote]Apoklyps wrote:

[quote]casperthegst wrote:

[quote]Reed wrote:

[quote]casperthegst wrote:
By the way 375 is 75% of 500.[/quote]

Your recommendation had nothing do with 75% for 5 reps it was 85% for 5+ reps which 425.[/quote]

Apparently you do not know to use a training max at 90% of your real max. Now that I think about it you could actuslly use your real max and not do amrap. This would essentially be westide max effort method of course you would have to change exercises each cycle but I digress.[/quote]

If we want to be all technical about it, 85% of 90% =/= 75%. 0.85x0.9 = 76.5% of actual 1RM. While this is much more reasonable, you did not make this clear initially, which is just as bad advice if no one freaking gets it. I still wouldn’t recommend anyone take training advice based on 1RM percentages from someone who doesn’t understand basic mathematical concepts.[/quote]

I’ll humour you once more, since you have a really big mouth and bad attitude for no reason. Here’s a couple quotes of yours from a post you made in the Beginner forum(Sheiko #29 for beginners) just last month:

“Been working out for powerlifting for almost 2 months using a rough 5x5 routine”

and this gem, my favourite:

“Best lifts (no straps, wraps, or belt… yet):
-Squat: 253x2
-Bench: 205x2
-Deadlift: 375x2
-OHP: 125x2”

You have a long, LONG way to go before you can talk smack to anybody. Get to the back of the line, zip your lips, and just listen. [/quote]
Funny how when you tell people to stop talking it has a tendency to backfire, huh? Human nature is just a bitch, ain’t it?

It’s interesting to note that you have not disputed any of the points that I made, instead resorting to character defamation. Fallacious way to dispute, and indicative of a very immature mind. Additionally, you feel the need to act as a “Grammar Nazi”, when it is clearly of little value to anyone else here. Despite this, you accuse me of having a “really big mouth and bad attitude”. THAT is irony at its best.

I suppose I could sift through crap to find dirt on you as well, but I truly have more important things to do. Toodles.[/quote]

Damn right you have more important things to do. Like actually becoming stronger than my grandma, lol.

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Can someone please help me out.

I use 5/3/1 program, but little bit altered, to make even greater gains.

Here’s my scheme for all my lifts, including assistance ones.

1x100% - 5 reps
1x125% - 7 reps
1x150% - 10 reps
10x50% - 1 rep

For some reason, I constantly keep missing lifts when I do the 100-150% range. It really sucks, especially because I workout without a spotter. I honestly feel like quitting, and my wrists, elbows, shoulders, lower back and knees hurt a lot and I just don’t feel like following this program anymore. And it’s just the first week, and I have another 15 weeks to go, all with linear progression, culminating into new max, that should be 502.5% bigger than my current one.

Any advice will be appreciated. Should I increase the reps? Or would I be better off increasing the weight? Should I add more sets in the 100% range? Maybe if I use a belt I would not be failing so much…? What are you thoughts?

Thanks.

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[quote]Caltene wrote:

[quote]Apoklyps wrote:

[quote]Caltene wrote:

[quote]Apoklyps wrote:

[quote]casperthegst wrote:

[quote]Reed wrote:

[quote]casperthegst wrote:
By the way 375 is 75% of 500.[/quote]

Your recommendation had nothing do with 75% for 5 reps it was 85% for 5+ reps which 425.[/quote]

Apparently you do not know to use a training max at 90% of your real max. Now that I think about it you could actuslly use your real max and not do amrap. This would essentially be westide max effort method of course you would have to change exercises each cycle but I digress.[/quote]

If we want to be all technical about it, 85% of 90% =/= 75%. 0.85x0.9 = 76.5% of actual 1RM. While this is much more reasonable, you did not make this clear initially, which is just as bad advice if no one freaking gets it. I still wouldn’t recommend anyone take training advice based on 1RM percentages from someone who doesn’t understand basic mathematical concepts.[/quote]

I’ll humour you once more, since you have a really big mouth and bad attitude for no reason. Here’s a couple quotes of yours from a post you made in the Beginner forum(Sheiko #29 for beginners) just last month:

“Been working out for powerlifting for almost 2 months using a rough 5x5 routine”

and this gem, my favourite:

“Best lifts (no straps, wraps, or belt… yet):
-Squat: 253x2
-Bench: 205x2
-Deadlift: 375x2
-OHP: 125x2”

You have a long, LONG way to go before you can talk smack to anybody. Get to the back of the line, zip your lips, and just listen. [/quote]
Funny how when you tell people to stop talking it has a tendency to backfire, huh? Human nature is just a bitch, ain’t it?

It’s interesting to note that you have not disputed any of the points that I made, instead resorting to character defamation. Fallacious way to dispute, and indicative of a very immature mind. Additionally, you feel the need to act as a “Grammar Nazi”, when it is clearly of little value to anyone else here. Despite this, you accuse me of having a “really big mouth and bad attitude”. THAT is irony at its best.

I suppose I could sift through crap to find dirt on you as well, but I truly have more important things to do. Toodles.[/quote]

Damn right you have more important things to do. Like actually becoming stronger than my grandma, lol.[/quote]

Lol that was a good one YOUR so funny.

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[quote]Palusko wrote:
Can someone please help me out.

I use 5/3/1 program, but little bit altered, to make even greater gains.

Here’s my scheme for all my lifts, including assistance ones.

1x100% - 5 reps
1x125% - 7 reps
1x150% - 10 reps
10x50% - 1 rep

For some reason, I constantly keep missing lifts when I do the 100-150% range. It really sucks, especially because I workout without a spotter. I honestly feel like quitting, and my wrists, elbows, shoulders, lower back and knees hurt a lot and I just don’t feel like following this program anymore. And it’s just the first week, and I have another 15 weeks to go, all with linear progression, culminating into new max, that should be 502.5% bigger than my current one.

Any advice will be appreciated. Should I increase the reps? Or would I be better off increasing the weight? Should I add more sets in the 100% range? Maybe if I use a belt I would not be failing so much…? What are you thoughts?

Thanks.[/quote]

all of my wat

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[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
I really wish you fucking people would learn how to quote properly.[/quote]

Fucking thank you.

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[quote]Reed wrote:

[quote]Caltene wrote:

Damn right you have more important things to do. Like actually becoming stronger than my grandma, lol.[/quote]

Lol that was a good one YOUR so funny.
[/quote]
Haha I know, right? His razor-sharp wit has clearly sliced me to ribbons… Fortunately, by working consistently and intelligently, I can always get stronger. Unfortunately, Caltene’s ability to improve on his infantile intellectual competency is far more limited.

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[quote]Palusko wrote:
Can someone please help me out.

I use 5/3/1 program, but little bit altered, to make even greater gains.

Here’s my scheme for all my lifts, including assistance ones.

1x100% - 5 reps
1x125% - 7 reps
1x150% - 10 reps
10x50% - 1 rep

For some reason, I constantly keep missing lifts when I do the 100-150% range. It really sucks, especially because I workout without a spotter. I honestly feel like quitting, and my wrists, elbows, shoulders, lower back and knees hurt a lot and I just don’t feel like following this program anymore. And it’s just the first week, and I have another 15 weeks to go, all with linear progression, culminating into new max, that should be 502.5% bigger than my current one.

Any advice will be appreciated. Should I increase the reps? Or would I be better off increasing the weight? Should I add more sets in the 100% range? Maybe if I use a belt I would not be failing so much…? What are you thoughts?

Thanks.[/quote]

It’s the belt. Do it.

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[quote]Reed wrote:

[quote]Caltene wrote:

[quote]Apoklyps wrote:

[quote]Caltene wrote:

[quote]Apoklyps wrote:

[quote]casperthegst wrote:

[quote]Reed wrote:

[quote]casperthegst wrote:
By the way 375 is 75% of 500.[/quote]

Your recommendation had nothing do with 75% for 5 reps it was 85% for 5+ reps which 425.[/quote]

Apparently you do not know to use a training max at 90% of your real max. Now that I think about it you could actuslly use your real max and not do amrap. This would essentially be westide max effort method of course you would have to change exercises each cycle but I digress.[/quote]

If we want to be all technical about it, 85% of 90% =/= 75%. 0.85x0.9 = 76.5% of actual 1RM. While this is much more reasonable, you did not make this clear initially, which is just as bad advice if no one freaking gets it. I still wouldn’t recommend anyone take training advice based on 1RM percentages from someone who doesn’t understand basic mathematical concepts.[/quote]

I’ll humour you once more, since you have a really big mouth and bad attitude for no reason. Here’s a couple quotes of yours from a post you made in the Beginner forum(Sheiko #29 for beginners) just last month:

“Been working out for powerlifting for almost 2 months using a rough 5x5 routine”

and this gem, my favourite:

“Best lifts (no straps, wraps, or belt… yet):
-Squat: 253x2
-Bench: 205x2
-Deadlift: 375x2
-OHP: 125x2”

You have a long, LONG way to go before you can talk smack to anybody. Get to the back of the line, zip your lips, and just listen. [/quote]
Funny how when you tell people to stop talking it has a tendency to backfire, huh? Human nature is just a bitch, ain’t it?

It’s interesting to note that you have not disputed any of the points that I made, instead resorting to character defamation. Fallacious way to dispute, and indicative of a very immature mind. Additionally, you feel the need to act as a “Grammar Nazi”, when it is clearly of little value to anyone else here. Despite this, you accuse me of having a “really big mouth and bad attitude”. THAT is irony at its best.

I suppose I could sift through crap to find dirt on you as well, but I truly have more important things to do. Toodles.[/quote]

Damn right you have more important things to do. Like actually becoming stronger than my grandma, lol.[/quote]

Lol that was a good one YOUR so funny.
[/quote]

Thank you! I will forgive your latest grammar mistake since you now recognize my intellectual superiority.

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[quote]Palusko wrote:
Can someone please help me out.

I use 5/3/1 program, but little bit altered, to make even greater gains.

Here’s my scheme for all my lifts, including assistance ones.

1x100% - 5 reps
1x125% - 7 reps
1x150% - 10 reps
10x50% - 1 rep

For some reason, I constantly keep missing lifts when I do the 100-150% range. It really sucks, especially because I workout without a spotter. I honestly feel like quitting, and my wrists, elbows, shoulders, lower back and knees hurt a lot and I just don’t feel like following this program anymore. And it’s just the first week, and I have another 15 weeks to go, all with linear progression, culminating into new max, that should be 502.5% bigger than my current one.

Any advice will be appreciated. Should I increase the reps? Or would I be better off increasing the weight? Should I add more sets in the 100% range? Maybe if I use a belt I would not be failing so much…? What are you thoughts?

Thanks.[/quote]

lol wtf???