EDIT AGAIN: Fuck it, I won’t be a dick, it’s still Easter. Kind of ridiculous to suggest that such things are ONLY possible with AAS, though most with those achievements probably do rely on chemical assistance.[/quote]
Don’t hold back big guy, I can handle it
I know, some of you are not big on human limitations…unfortunately, they exist. If you think you can do what a geared-up track cyclist can do, naturally, well I implore you to try and prove me wrong.
I just don’t want y’all to chase false dreams & hopes.[/quote]
Lol I wasn’t really serious about my reasoning for not being an asshole, I just didn’t feel like starting a flame war over something I care so little about.
And I agree that natty individuals won’t be able to do EVERYTHING a geared athlete competing at a high level can, but maintaining a lean and muscular frame while moving large weights and staying quick/explosive isn’t necessarily impossible for a natty. Most won’t do it, but it’s possible for disciplined individuals with good genetics who do a lot of things right for a long time. I’m not really sure if everyone can physically do it (doubt it), but most won’t come close anyway just because they won’t be dialed in enough on training/nutrition.
But no, I don’t think I’m going to be squatting upwards of 5PPS then walking out to the track and running a 4.0 flat 40 (no idea what good cycling times are lolz).
[quote]ryno76 wrote:
No they don’t. If you take steroids even farting will make you gain muscle mass. In fact most professional bodybuilders don’t even lift, they just do some push ups and jumping jacks to get huge. /sarcasm.[/quote]
Actually, you had it right all along. You don’t HAVE to exercise on AAS in order to build muscle mass. I’d suggest focusing more on your diet than my posts though…you look like shit.
To the other poster, no I do not believe that you have to use AAS to squat 260 kg…to do that while staying lean, quick & muscular, such as the individual in the video–yes, you better believe it.[/quote]
OH NO, YOU INSULTED ME ON THE INTERNET!! Hey while you’re at it, why don’t you post some links to studies that show you can grow all this muscle mass by not exercising. I’d love to see the research on that. You know, when you get time in between proving how tough you are over the keyboard. Oh and fuck diet, I have never been a disciplined eater and don’t give diet advice as a result. But for you to say that steroids make a bigger difference than training is ignorant. Though I’m sure at 24 you’ve got it all figured out.
[quote]kakno wrote:
Not sure if trolling. 2x572 by a lean person who sprints. I’d like to think that’s possible without steroids. [/quote]
Not sure if you’re addressing me?
It is by a person THAT SPRINTS. It’s just that people who can double 572 are almost definitely not going to match the sprinting/cycling performance of a geared individual doing the same and competing at a high level.
[quote]kakno wrote:
Not sure if trolling. 2x572 by a lean person who sprints. I’d like to think that’s possible without steroids. [/quote]
Not sure if you’re addressing me?
It is by a person THAT SPRINTS. It’s just that people who can double 572 are almost definitely not going to match the sprinting/cycling performance of a geared individual doing the same and competing at a high level.
[quote]kakno wrote:
Not sure if trolling. 2x572 by a lean person who sprints. I’d like to think that’s possible without steroids. [/quote]
Keep in mind, this isn’t a guy who only aims to be lean and squat heavy…rather the squatting is secondary or tertiary to all the rest of his training. So that triple BW squat is even more impressive than it appears.
If you just want to focus on your lifting while staying lean, then yeah, I’d guess 2x572 is possible for a gifted few. But no way you could manage that while trying to handle the other stresses of training that a world-class cyclist would endure.
[quote]ryno76 wrote:
Still waiting for the AAS studies showing muscle growth without working out.[/quote]
? Maybe I missed the debate here, but yes, studies have shown increased muscle mass upon taking steroids with no weight training. It was generally limited to leg mass. Either way, increasing body weight alone increases muscle mass. That was one reason I bulked up. The problem with obese people is that they don’t train and will lose any extra muscle mass losing all of that fat.
There is a reason many fat people have some of the best calf development on the planet.
I won’t be wasting my time today looking for that study for you considering I must have posted it about 50 times over the last 10 years.
legs in my opinion respond to volume. the human legs are designed for lots and lots of work, and looking back at all my old training logs and pics over the last 25 years, i have noticed that my legs look bigger whenever i was doing insane high reps on machines and single leg movements and the sled (often when i was recovering from an injury) or when i was specifically training for Olympic Lifting, and squatting heavy 3-5 times a week.
[quote]ryno76 wrote:
Still waiting for the AAS studies showing muscle growth without working out.[/quote]
? Maybe I missed the debate here, but yes, studies have shown increased muscle mass upon taking steroids with no weight training. It was generally limited to leg mass. Either way, increasing body weight alone increases muscle mass. That was one reason I bulked up. The problem with obese people is that they don’t train and will lose any extra muscle mass losing all of that fat.
There is a reason many fat people have some of the best calf development on the planet.
I won’t be wasting my time today looking for that study for you considering I must have posted it about 50 times over the last 10 years.[/quote]
i dont kn ow if the info was from the same study you are talking about, but Poliquin talked about how disproportionately strong obese peoples legs were on the leg press when they start training.
[quote]ryno76 wrote:
Still waiting for the AAS studies showing muscle growth without working out.[/quote]
? Maybe I missed the debate here, but yes, studies have shown increased muscle mass upon taking steroids with no weight training. It was generally limited to leg mass. Either way, increasing body weight alone increases muscle mass. That was one reason I bulked up. The problem with obese people is that they don’t train and will lose any extra muscle mass losing all of that fat.
There is a reason many fat people have some of the best calf development on the planet.
I won’t be wasting my time today looking for that study for you considering I must have posted it about 50 times over the last 10 years.[/quote]
Basically the argument was over downplaying the importance of training in gaining muscle mass and attibuting more of the gain to steroids. I couldn’t find your study, but I don’t know what the threads may have been titled either.
My point was that nobody is going to gain significant muscle mass by just taking steroids and not providing stimulus for the body to grow. Maybe I should have quantified the statement with “serious muscle growth.”
[quote]ryno76 wrote:
Still waiting for the AAS studies showing muscle growth without working out.[/quote]
? Maybe I missed the debate here, but yes, studies have shown increased muscle mass upon taking steroids with no weight training. It was generally limited to leg mass. Either way, increasing body weight alone increases muscle mass. That was one reason I bulked up. The problem with obese people is that they don’t train and will lose any extra muscle mass losing all of that fat.
There is a reason many fat people have some of the best calf development on the planet.
I won’t be wasting my time today looking for that study for you considering I must have posted it about 50 times over the last 10 years.[/quote]
Basically the argument was over downplaying the importance of training in gaining muscle mass and attibuting more of the gain to steroids. I couldn’t find your study, but I don’t know what the threads may have been titled either.
My point was that nobody is going to gain significant muscle mass by just taking steroids and not providing stimulus for the body to grow. Maybe I should have quantified the statement with “serious muscle growth.”[/quote]
This is true. No one looks huge just because they did a cycle. There are more people out there who take steroids and still look like newbs than there are on them who look “fucking heeyooge”.
[quote]ryno76 wrote:
No they don’t. If you take steroids even farting will make you gain muscle mass. In fact most professional bodybuilders don’t even lift, they just do some push ups and jumping jacks to get huge. /sarcasm.[/quote]
Actually, you had it right all along. You don’t HAVE to exercise on AAS in order to build muscle mass.[/quote]
[quote]ryno76 wrote:
My point was that nobody is going to gain significant muscle mass by just taking steroids and not providing stimulus for the body to grow. Maybe I should have quantified the statement with “serious muscle growth.”[/quote]
Aaaaand there we have it. Your original point was that no one can gain muscle mass on AAS without training. Tossing a vague quantifier like “significant” or “serious muscle growth” changes your argument entirely, and is probably not what I was saying.
You win, I stand corrected. Of course I was referring to any muscle gains even undetectable ones because that’s what everyone here is interested in. It’s good to know we can all just quit lifting weights and take steroids. /sarcasm.
[quote]ryno76 wrote:
You win, I stand corrected. Of course I was referring to any muscle gains even undetectable ones because that’s what everyone here is interested in. It’s good to know we can all just quit lifting weights and take steroids. /sarcasm.
Do your parents know you’re on the internet again?[/quote]
Go ahead and backpedal, and act like you didn’t get served. You said what you said, and I proved you wrong, no two ways about it. “Undetectable” muscle gains were observed by these scientists, and were found to be statistically significant.
Undetectable gains are what you have, hidden underneath a smooth coating of blubber. Get some self-respect.
You are hilarious, Proud_Virgin. New favorite poster! I might be confused but I think a study even said that no-exercise steroid users built more muscle on their first cycle than exercise naturals? Correct me if I’m wrong.
[quote]165StateChamp wrote:
You are hilarious, Proud_Virgin. New favorite poster! I might be confused but I think a study even said that no-exercise steroid users built more muscle on their first cycle than exercise naturals? Correct me if I’m wrong.[/quote]
Human studies concerning AAS are limited, and the ones that exist are not very useful as they top out at 500mg of Test or so…the study linked above might be what you’re talking about?
It had 4 groups: placebo-no exercise, test-no exercise, placebo-exercise, & test-exercise. While the placebo-exercise group accumulated more strength than the test-no exercise group, the test-no exercise group had more lean muscle mass at the end.
So hell yeah steroids work, you don’t even have to train to trump the nattys lol.
