'Big Back & Big Chest' Waterbury Article

Training
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[quote]browndisaster wrote:
lolol qeynos

I just wanted convey that it was hard to hit every single muscle 3x a week on the program. Eventually I wanted to look like a bodybuilder, thus I moved to a bodybuilding split. If you want to make some comparisons about how I look now, I’d say I don’t look as good as gregron but I don’t look as shitty as you do.[/quote]

you only bench 200 and deadlift 275, and claim to be the same size as me. you must be at 25-30% bodyfat then?

know why its hard to hit every muscle 3x a week? because the program sucks, just like the other programs that they write

[quote]Doh wrote:

[quote]qeynos wrote:

and lol @ having only 6 exercises for a “bodybuilding” routine
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a lot of olympic/powerlifters from the past who weren’t in the bodybuilding scene built some impressive physique just doing the main lifts. just saying…[/quote]

yeah, compound exercises, not bicep curls though?

[quote]browndisaster wrote:
also I think it’s a bit ridiculous to put some of these coaches down so easily. Someone like Chad Waterbury has made his living off training others; if you’re going to bash him you have damn good reasoning behind it or it’s just libel.[/quote]

maybe they shouldn’t post bad workout routines, then?

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^^This guy has to be trolling.

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Some of this is funny but at some point just use ignore button save time it is not second grade name calling forum as far as i know.

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I did TBT and was your size years ago

come at me bro

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lets all just be friends and go troll Ct. Rockula’s log

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[quote]gregron wrote:
^^This guy has to be trolling.[/quote]

you must be trolling to be endorsing such a lousy routine

just stating facts here… if anyone came in any lifting forum and asked for a bodybuilding routine, no one would ever say go do TBT

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[quote]qeynos wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
WTF is qeynos talkin about? You don’t even look like you lift and your talking trash on Waterbury and TBT?

Lots of people have used/use TBT to make gains. It’s all relative to your goals. TBT is most definitely not garbage.[/quote]

lol? i am 5’10 195, and have been lifting 18 months (was 130 before). when I gain ~15 lbs like you I can tell people they don’t look like they lift though, always legitimate arguments(not personal attacks or anything) coming from some people here.

[quote]PB Andy wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
WTF is qeynos talkin about? You don’t even look like you lift and your talking trash on Waterbury and TBT?

Lots of people have used/use TBT to make gains. It’s all relative to your goals. TBT is most definitely not garbage.[/quote]
agreed… a lot of people don’t realize that many Olympic weightlifters essentially use TBT and have great physiques. Even the top non-juiced guys. Again, the split really doesn’t matter… what matters is the overall volume, selection of exercises, intensity techniques if applicable, etc[/quote]

lol, who has used TBT?

is Waterbury all natty bro?

explain to me why olympic lifters would be on a hypertrophy program like TBT? Doesn’t even make sense

olympic weightlifters natty too?
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I’m 99.99% sure Waterbury is au-naturale. First and most importantly, just look at his body even when he was big some years ago. It should be fairly obvious to anyone who’s not new to the lifting game (which you appear to be) that he’s natty. Second, he’s said he’s natural, and if you’ve read anything from Chad from the past decade you’d know he’s a pretty honest guy.

Many Olympic lifters (even the non-juiced ones, like I mentioned in my previous post which I guess you didn’t catch) do TBT… meaning, in every session they work their whole body. They don’t have a dedicated “Arms” day, do they? The Chinese often add accessory tricep extensions, leg curls, wrist curls, weighted push-ups, etc at the end of their workouts. This is TBT, is it not? The Russians do all types of shoulder and bench presses after their main workouts. If you knew anything about the Russian or Chinese systems, you wouldn’t have to argue this point.

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[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
I for one am not a Waterbury hater, hence why I said that I didn’t want to start a CW bashing thread. I honestly think if someone was seeking improved sports performance, getting stronger, or just adding some general muscle that CW has a lot to offer.

But we are talking about bodybuilding in this forum. Does anyone really dispute that someone like John Meadows who is a professional bodybuilder himself and has successfully trained numerous other amateur and professional bodybuilders wouldn’t be a better choice or source of information specific to bodybuilding?

Of course the OP can do whatever he wants, but since all of the articles on this site are free, why wouldn’t he pick a program specifically designed to reach his goals. That would be like me taking training advise about boxing from Rickson Gracie when I could get it from Angelo Dundee. Both are expert trainers in combat sports, but one is more of an expert at the specific form of combat sports that I am interested in.[/quote]

I don’t even know if John Meadows can prescribe workouts for beginners, lol. I’m working with him now (doing Program 7 - Creeping Death) and it is absolutely fucking brutal.

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[quote]PB Andy wrote:

I’m 99.99% sure Waterbury is au-naturale. First and most importantly, just look at his body even when he was big some years ago. It should be fairly obvious to anyone who’s not new to the lifting game (which you appear to be) that he’s natty. Second, he’s said he’s natural, and if you’ve read anything from Chad from the past decade you’d know he’s a pretty honest guy.

Many Olympic lifters (even the non-juiced ones, like I mentioned in my previous post which I guess you didn’t catch) do TBT… meaning, in every session they work their whole body. They don’t have a dedicated “Arms” day, do they? The Chinese often add accessory tricep extensions, leg curls, wrist curls, weighted push-ups, etc at the end of their workouts. This is TBT, is it not? The Russians do all types of shoulder and bench presses after their main workouts. If you knew anything about the Russian or Chinese systems, you wouldn’t have to argue this point.[/quote]

not too familiar with olympic lifting, but I would assume:
train with heavy weights
only train important muscle groups for their lifts
don’t train to failure
are low volume

olympic lifting isn’t anything like TBT except in frequency

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[quote]qeynos wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
^^This guy has to be trolling.[/quote]

you must be trolling to be endorsing such a lousy routine

just stating facts here… if anyone came in any lifting forum and asked for a bodybuilding routine, no one would ever say go do TBT

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I never endorsed a routine in this thread. You can go back and read through all my posts if you’d like to confirm that.

All I said was that TBT has a time and a place and is dependent on your goals… and I said that you are in no position to bash this training philosophy.

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Pretty much sums it up.

[quote]qeynos wrote:
not too familiar with olympic lifting…
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^^first you say this…

^^and then you say this like its a fact or something.

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lol by your description olympic lifting sounds almost just like TBT

also I think PBandy’s point was that they do extra lifting after the main oly lift training. I don’t see how someone could spend hours a week in the gym yet NOT do those extra lifts or look like they even lift. Do you live in the real world?

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[quote]browndisaster wrote:
lol by your description olympic lifting sounds almost just like TBT

also I think PBandy’s point was that they do extra lifting after the main oly lift training. I don’t see how someone could spend hours a week in the gym yet NOT do those extra lifts or look like they even lift. Do you live in the real world?[/quote]

ya, all those olympic lifters training doing sets of 18 reps, very similar

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]qeynos wrote:
not too familiar with olympic lifting…

olympic lifting isn’t anything like TBT except in frequency

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Pretty much sums it up.[/quote]

again, lack of any kind of argument in your post

are you a troll?

[quote]gregron wrote:

All I said was that TBT has a time and a place and is dependent on your goals… and I said that you are in no position to bash this training philosophy.[/quote]

let me know when you find that time and place?

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[quote]qeynos wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
All I said was that TBT has a time and a place and is dependent on your goals… and I said that you are in no position to bash this training philosophy.[/quote]

let me know when you find that time and place?
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If your goals are to maintain your current physique/make small improvements while decreasing your gym frequency because of real life getting in the way (job, kids, wife, school) then TBT is a great tool.

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I know that you’re new here and probably not too familiar with AustinBiceps (check out the latest posts in the 18inch arm thread)

He trains TBT… you should probably tell him that he’s doing it wrong.

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[quote]gregron wrote:
I know that you’re new here and probably not too familiar with AustinBiceps (check out the latest posts in the 18inch arm thread)

He trains TBT… you should probably tell him that he’s doing it wrong.[/quote]

you mean a fullbody routine?

or CW’s TBT?

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[quote]qeynos wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
I know that you’re new here and probably not too familiar with AustinBiceps (check out the latest posts in the 18inch arm thread)

He trains TBT… you should probably tell him that he’s doing it wrong.[/quote]

you mean a fullbody routine?

or CW’s TBT?
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total body training = full body routine.

I think you assumed I was talking about waterburys TBT program… I was not.

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[quote]qeynos wrote:
i am 5’10 195, and have been lifting 18 months (was 130 before).
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Any BEFORE pix? You know, 18 months ago @ 130lbs? It would be nice to see what results yeild such knowledge over CW’s.

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]qeynos wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
I know that you’re new here and probably not too familiar with AustinBiceps (check out the latest posts in the 18inch arm thread)

He trains TBT… you should probably tell him that he’s doing it wrong.[/quote]

you mean a fullbody routine?

or CW’s TBT?
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total body training = full body routine.

I think you assumed I was talking about waterburys TBT program… I was not.[/quote]

oh, lol

yeah i don’t have any issues with full body routines, was on one for a while

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[quote]qeynos wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]qeynos wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
I know that you’re new here and probably not too familiar with AustinBiceps (check out the latest posts in the 18inch arm thread)

He trains TBT… you should probably tell him that he’s doing it wrong.[/quote]

you mean a fullbody routine?

or CW’s TBT?
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total body training = full body routine.

I think you assumed I was talking about waterburys TBT program… I was not.[/quote]

oh, lol

yeah i don’t have any issues with full body routines, was on one for a while
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I was talking about the same thing… no, elite Olympic weightlifters are not on Waterbury’s TBT program, lmaaao