It got me up to doing pullups with 25 lbs attached, dips with 70, a 200 lb bench, and a 275 lb deadlift…progress was very quick but trying to hit every bodypart properly at least 2x a week (I’d lift 3x a week) got annoying. I much prefer splits now, but if I went back to his TBT splits I’d do the AM/PM upper/lower 3x a week plan he has.
I do that 3X upper/lower but instead of am/pm i use 6 days.
WTF is qeynos talkin about? You don’t even look like you lift and your talking trash on Waterbury and TBT?
Lots of people have used/use TBT to make gains. It’s all relative to your goals. TBT is most definitely not garbage.
Hey Guys
All the threads have very interesting to read, so many thanks.
Chad Waterbury does have a decent physique, so i suppose when an author of a bodybuilding book looks like he trains, well i suppose that helps.
I was going through the internet and noticed the Size Surge training program, any thoughts.
Keith.
Go in the corner. You lost the privilege to use any PC or internet for 3 weeks. Do not pass go. Do not eat for 2 days. If you respond that will be tripled ! ! !
[quote]IamMarqaos wrote:
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
Waterbury has an awesome physique! I’ve never understood all the hate[/quote]
I met Waterbury at a seminar a few years ago. That is not a small guy…
His arms were easily 19 inches at the time and that’s when he was trying to get smaller to try his hand at martial arts and other training method.
At one time he was well over 240lbs and not fat. Strong too…
He has no ‘hate’ against bodybuilding. He disrespects the direction bodybuilding has taken. He ‘loves’ old school bodybuilders who could do gymnastic moves, olympic lifts etc.
The current mass at all cost (read pharmacology) is what he wants nothing to do with. Can’t really blame him, what advice can you really give a guy who wants to look like Cutler?[/quote]
true dat, there was a picture of him in an article years ago at his heaviest and he was MASSIVE. He said he didn’t like being that big though…
He said once that he didn’t like the sport of bodybuilding, and people took that to mean that he didn’t like training to get big and muscular which is just BS.
[quote]qeynos wrote:
it’s hard to take a guy seriously who writes up workout programs like “total body training”
not saying his articles are bullshit though
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terrible post. Hang your head in shame
[quote]qeynos wrote:
it’s hard to take a guy seriously who writes up workout programs like “total body training”
not saying his articles are bullshit though[/quote]
Can you tell me exactly what part of Waterbury’s Total Body Training program you disagree with?
[quote]gregron wrote:
WTF is qeynos talkin about? You don’t even look like you lift and your talking trash on Waterbury and TBT?
Lots of people have used/use TBT to make gains. It’s all relative to your goals. TBT is most definitely not garbage.[/quote]
agreed… a lot of people don’t realize that many Olympic weightlifters essentially use TBT and have great physiques. Even the top non-juiced guys. Again, the split really doesn’t matter… what matters is the overall volume, selection of exercises, intensity techniques if applicable, etc
[quote]browndisaster wrote:
lol TBT 3x a week got me to your size qeynos[/quote]
LOL’D
[quote]Vagina Whisperer wrote:
[quote]browndisaster wrote:
lol TBT 3x a week got me to your size qeynos[/quote]
LOL’D[/quote]
hmm
he hasn’t posted body stats… has 200 lb bench and 270 deadlift. Think I had that when I was around 150 lbs? lol @ saying TBT is a good program
assuming he is the same size, he has high bodyfat or is incredibly weak (can’t even bench less than his bodyweight?)
also brown TBT is 3x a week so if you were doing 2x a week you weren’t really doing TBT
[quote]gregron wrote:
WTF is qeynos talkin about? You don’t even look like you lift and your talking trash on Waterbury and TBT?
Lots of people have used/use TBT to make gains. It’s all relative to your goals. TBT is most definitely not garbage.[/quote]
lol? i am 5’10 195, and have been lifting 18 months (was 130 before). when I gain ~15 lbs like you I can tell people they don’t look like they lift though, always legitimate arguments(not personal attacks or anything) coming from some people here.
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
WTF is qeynos talkin about? You don’t even look like you lift and your talking trash on Waterbury and TBT?
Lots of people have used/use TBT to make gains. It’s all relative to your goals. TBT is most definitely not garbage.[/quote]
agreed… a lot of people don’t realize that many Olympic weightlifters essentially use TBT and have great physiques. Even the top non-juiced guys. Again, the split really doesn’t matter… what matters is the overall volume, selection of exercises, intensity techniques if applicable, etc[/quote]
lol, who has used TBT?
is Waterbury all natty bro?
explain to me why olympic lifters would be on a hypertrophy program like TBT? Doesn’t even make sense
olympic weightlifters natty too?
[quote]Chris Colucci wrote:
[quote]qeynos wrote:
it’s hard to take a guy seriously who writes up workout programs like “total body training”
not saying his articles are bullshit though[/quote]
Can you tell me exactly what part of Waterbury’s Total Body Training program you disagree with?[/quote]
weeks where you are doing 15/18 rep sets?
it just seems poorly periodized if you look at the reps/sets being used each workout
it could be better
I for one am not a Waterbury hater, hence why I said that I didn’t want to start a CW bashing thread. I honestly think if someone was seeking improved sports performance, getting stronger, or just adding some general muscle that CW has a lot to offer.
But we are talking about bodybuilding in this forum. Does anyone really dispute that someone like John Meadows who is a professional bodybuilder himself and has successfully trained numerous other amateur and professional bodybuilders wouldn’t be a better choice or source of information specific to bodybuilding?
Of course the OP can do whatever he wants, but since all of the articles on this site are free, why wouldn’t he pick a program specifically designed to reach his goals. That would be like me taking training advise about boxing from Rickson Gracie when I could get it from Angelo Dundee. Both are expert trainers in combat sports, but one is more of an expert at the specific form of combat sports that I am interested in.
[quote]qeynos wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
WTF is qeynos talkin about? You don’t even look like you lift and your talking trash on Waterbury and TBT?
Lots of people have used/use TBT to make gains. It’s all relative to your goals. TBT is most definitely not garbage.[/quote]
lol? i am 5’10 195, and have been lifting 18 months (was 130 before). when I gain ~15 lbs like you I can tell people they don’t look like they lift though, always legitimate arguments(not personal attacks or anything) coming from some people here.
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my comment has nothing do with your stats (5’10 195lbs) I commented on your profile picture, where you in fact, do not look like a weightlifter.
LOL @ you talking about personal attacks with all of the comments you made about Waterbury and his program.
You come in here spouting off about a lot of things that you obviously don’t have much knowledge about, thats what happens when you are young (I’m assuming you’re a young guy)
Read more, experiment in the weight room and have an open mind. Thats tough to do when you’re young but you’ll get there.
[quote]gregron wrote:
[quote]qeynos wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
WTF is qeynos talkin about? You don’t even look like you lift and your talking trash on Waterbury and TBT?
Lots of people have used/use TBT to make gains. It’s all relative to your goals. TBT is most definitely not garbage.[/quote]
lol? i am 5’10 195, and have been lifting 18 months (was 130 before). when I gain ~15 lbs like you I can tell people they don’t look like they lift though, always legitimate arguments(not personal attacks or anything) coming from some people here.
[/quote]
my comment has nothing do with your stats (5’10 195lbs) I commented on your profile picture, where you in fact, do not look like a weightlifter.
LOL @ you talking about personal attacks with all of the comments you made about Waterbury and his program.
You come in here spouting off about a lot of things that you obviously don’t have much knowledge about, thats what happens when you are young (I’m assuming you’re a young guy)
Read more, experiment in the weight room and have an open mind. Thats tough to do when you’re young but you’ll get there.[/quote]
thats nice, and your back pics look like yo don’t even deadlift or row? please get some lats/traps if you are going to trash talk me. I wonder what you looked like after 18 months of lifting?
I guess people think someones advice is gospel as long as they are huge(or take their steroids) they know what they are talking about and will defend them for no reason. Know what the good routines that most people follow have in common? They don’t have you wasting valuable training time lifting very light weights…
and lol @ having only 6 exercises for a “bodybuilding” routine
^^Whatever you want to think bud. I’m not sure how far you’ll get with the current attitude that you’ve got.
back pic looks like I dont even lift? come on son. I know you felt like you had to come up with some sort of reply butthat was weak.
I’m not talking trash to you kid, I’m stating facts.
Who ever said TBT required you to “waste valuable training time by lifting very light weights”?
lolol qeynos
I just wanted convey that it was hard to hit every single muscle 3x a week on the program. Eventually I wanted to look like a bodybuilder, thus I moved to a bodybuilding split. If you want to make some comparisons about how I look now, I’d say I don’t look as good as gregron but I don’t look as shitty as you do.
also I think it’s a bit ridiculous to put some of these coaches down so easily. Someone like Chad Waterbury has made his living off training others; if you’re going to bash him you have damn good reasoning behind it or it’s just libel.
[quote]qeynos wrote:
and lol @ having only 6 exercises for a “bodybuilding” routine
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a lot of olympic/powerlifters from the past who weren’t in the bodybuilding scene built some impressive physique just doing the main lifts. just saying…