Your TM does not change if it was 200lbs during week 1 its still 200lbs week 13. So if its 50% = 100lbs, 60% = 120lbs, 70% = 140lbs. Add 5lbs to your upper body and 10 lbs to your lower body on each 531 cycle. They cycle is 3 weeks without a deload. Week 1 =3x5, week 2 = 3x3, week 3 = 531
[quote]Sheed3K wrote:
Your TM does not change if it was 200lbs during week 1 its still 200lbs week 13.
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Which one of these completely contradictory statements is it? There is a right answer.
[quote]Sheed3K wrote:
Your TM does not change if it was 200lbs during week 1 its still 200lbs week 13. So if its 50% = 100lbs, 60% = 120lbs, 70% = 140lbs. Add 5lbs to your upper body and 10 lbs to your lower body on each 531 cycle. They cycle is 3 weeks without a deload. Week 1 =3x5, week 2 = 3x3, week 3 = 531[/quote]
How it doesn’t change if i add 5/10lbs every 3 weeks? if my TM is 200lbs, it will be 230lbs at the week 13 (assuming it’s lower body lift)
[quote]Sheed3K wrote:
So you decided to come on here and say you just illegally downloaded the book and expect Jim to still help you?
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I have to go to workout soon, and don’t know what to do. Trying to get solution as fast as possible, and i still can’t
its not contradictory at all, Yes the TM does change per week but if you based your BBB on your original TM or the adjusted its not a huge difference. If you can get through the lifts based on the new TM do it. I just dont think it needs to be broken down to this degree. Clearly the 50%, 60%, 70% are just round numbers that work if it is 63%, 74% is the program going to not work? The main slow progression is still occurring regardless because of the 531 cycle.
Pick one and go train
This is quoted from a Jim Wendler response.
"I have addressed the “change the TM based on PR” so many times. PLEASE READ THE ARTICLE ON MY BLOG ABOUT THE TRAINING MAX - WRITTEN BY KEVIN DEWEESE. It explains everything.
Once again, as you progress with the program YOU WILL REALIZE that the TM has nothing to do with your strength." Jim Wendler
[quote]creatinejunkie wrote:
[quote]Sheed3K wrote:
Your TM does not change if it was 200lbs during week 1 its still 200lbs week 13. So if its 50% = 100lbs, 60% = 120lbs, 70% = 140lbs. Add 5lbs to your upper body and 10 lbs to your lower body on each 531 cycle. They cycle is 3 weeks without a deload. Week 1 =3x5, week 2 = 3x3, week 3 = 531[/quote]
How it doesn’t change if i add 5/10lbs every 3 weeks? if my TM is 200lbs, it will be 230lbs at the week 13 (assuming it’s lower body lift)
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Absolutely so, yes.
[quote]Sheed3K wrote:
its not contradictory at all, Yes the TM does change per week but if you based your BBB on your original TM or the adjusted its not a huge difference. If you can get through the lifts based on the new TM do it. I just dont think it needs to be broken down to this degree. Clearly the 50%, 60%, 70% are just round numbers that work if it is 63%, 74% is the program going to not work? The main slow progression is still occurring regardless because of the 531 cycle.
Pick one and go train
This is quoted from a Jim Wendler response.
"I have addressed the “change the TM based on PR” so many times. PLEASE READ THE ARTICLE ON MY BLOG ABOUT THE TRAINING MAX - WRITTEN BY KEVIN DEWEESE. It explains everything.
Once again, as you progress with the program YOU WILL REALIZE that the TM has nothing to do with your strength." Jim Wendler [/quote]
I agree with this 100%
Pick one and go train.
[quote]creatinejunkie wrote:
Sorry, i just had to torrent the book now to be sure. But got even more confused.
Article says:
Month one.5 sets of 10 reps at 50% of Training Max ™.
Month two.5 sets of 10 reps at 60% of TM.
Month three.5 sets of 10 reps at 70% of TM.
Book says:
Can’t copy it because formation fucks up, but it’s different.
In article version, i increase 5/10lbs every month?
How about book version? Cycles is not 4 weeks nor it’s 3 weeks. Wtf?
Article version of the challenge is like BBB 6 week challenge of the book, but expanded to 3 months.
I would do 3x5 (main) and 5x10 @ 60% (assistance) today, but i don’t know if i have to add 5/10lbs to my lifts. I’m just too OCD about my lifting.
Btw, if i follow the book, it means i’ve done 1 week extra of 50% on assistance lifts
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Unbelievable.
Just added 5/10lbs, increased from 50% to 60% on assistance lifts. Feels even easier than earlier weeks, probably just getting stronger. Going to deload after this 3 week “cycle”.
I still see article and book contradictory, but at least i figured out what to do
[quote]creatinejunkie wrote:
Just added 5/10lbs, increased from 50% to 60% on assistance lifts. Feels even easier than earlier weeks, probably just getting stronger. Going to deload after this 3 week “cycle”.
I still see article and book contradictory, but at least i figured out what to do[/quote]
What is contradictory? Perhaps the version in the book is a bit more detailed. A little extra for the people who support the book?
[quote]Rattus wrote:
Unbelievable. [/quote]
Indeed.
[quote]creatinejunkie wrote:
Sorry, i just had to torrent the book now to be sure. But got even more confused.
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So you are not only stupid, but a thief.
PUNK.
[quote] I’m just too OCD about my lifting.
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You’ve found the problem. Well…sort of. You’re obsessing over minor details when you might focus your energy on the chief detail. I.e. actually lifting.
One might say, “the proof of the program is in the lifting”. Follow the article or follow the book. Either way, stop negotiating and, whatever you do, stop wasting time asking largely speculative questions on the internet.
As you’ve been told time and again here; follow one of the versions to a “t”. Take notes. See what results. Then your questions will be grounded in experience and, quite literally, have some weight behind them. Right now, it’s a bunch of faffing over the cost of hot beverages in Cathay.
[quote]Boomka wrote:
[quote]Rattus wrote:
Unbelievable. [/quote]
Indeed. [/quote]
what?
[quote]Rednose wrote:
So you are not only stupid, but a thief.
PUNK.[/quote]
What’s so stupid about me?
[quote]Boomka wrote:
[quote] I’m just too OCD about my lifting.
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You’ve found the problem. Well…sort of. You’re obsessing over minor details when you might focus your energy on the chief detail. I.e. actually lifting.
One might say, “the proof of the program is in the lifting”. Follow the article or follow the book. Either way, stop negotiating and, whatever you do, stop wasting time asking largely speculative questions on the internet.
As you’ve been told time and again here; follow one of the versions to a “t”. Take notes. See what results. Then your questions will be grounded in experience and, quite literally, have some weight behind them. Right now, it’s a bunch of faffing over the cost of hot beverages in Cathay. [/quote]
Who said i’m not lifting and asking questions only?
[quote]creatinejunkie wrote:
What’s so stupid about me?
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You stated “Sorry, i just had to torrent the book now to be sure. But got even more confused.”
What did you expect? You openly and brazenly admitted to “torrenting” the book on the author’s own coaching sub-forum. At any rate, any reasonable person who sat down and read the applicable section of the book in its entirety would have found that there is little room for confusion or compromise. Everything is laid out rather lucidly.
[quote]JR249 wrote:
[quote]creatinejunkie wrote:
What’s so stupid about me?
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You stated “Sorry, i just had to torrent the book now to be sure. But got even more confused.”
What did you expect? You openly and brazenly admitted to “torrenting” the book on the author’s own coaching sub-forum. At any rate, any reasonable person who sat down and read the applicable section of the book in its entirety would have found that there is little room for confusion or compromise. Everything is laid out rather lucidly.
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I’m aware that i torrented a book and still asked questions here. That’s not stupid. And it’s obvious that book and article versions are different, can’t argue with that.
Do i have to use 90% of my max just on the first cycle or all the time?
I suggest we ignore any further questions.
[quote]creatinejunkie wrote:
[quote]Boomka wrote:
[quote] I’m just too OCD about my lifting.
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You’ve found the problem. Well…sort of. You’re obsessing over minor details when you might focus your energy on the chief detail. I.e. actually lifting.
One might say, “the proof of the program is in the lifting”. Follow the article or follow the book. Either way, stop negotiating and, whatever you do, stop wasting time asking largely speculative questions on the internet.
As you’ve been told time and again here; follow one of the versions to a “t”. Take notes. See what results. Then your questions will be grounded in experience and, quite literally, have some weight behind them. Right now, it’s a bunch of faffing over the cost of hot beverages in Cathay. [/quote]
Who said i’m not lifting and asking questions only?
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Not me, but most of your questions are easily answered if you’d let them be. Try this: Follow either the article or the book to the letter for 3 cycles. Keep notes and write down any questions you have. If those questions still aren’t answered after 3 cycles of doing the program EXACTLY AS DESCRIBED, then ask them.
Otherwise, if you have indeed torrented the book, between that and two threads here you have access to all the information you should ever need to accomplish this simple task. Can you do it? No negotiations, no faffing. Just get on with it and do it?
I know you want to do everything perfect. Im sure in your head you are thinking I want to eliminate as many mistakes as possible so I have the best chance of reaching my goals. What you have to realize is that the overall picture is much more important. If you completed this 13 week program changing your TM every cycle compared to not changing your TM I highly doubt you would notice any difference.
The important thing is you complete the program, stay on track and train into the future. You are not going to build the body you want or destroy your chances of reaching your goals in a few weeks. Realize its gonna take you years of commitment and hard work to achieve this and stop over thinking everything. There is a reason people say “Shut up and train”
[quote]Sheed3K wrote:
Realize its gonna take you years of commitment and hard work to achieve this and stop over thinking everything. There is a reason people say “Shut up and train” [/quote]
You get out of lifting what you put in. If you think that getting big and strong as a m*therfucker isn’t worth the ~$20 the e-book costs, fine. If you think a simple reread is too much effort for you, that’s fine too, no skin off my nose, I’m just curious how you think you’re going to achieve anything if this kind of simple task is too much for you.