[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
definitely go with the wide grip if you are looking to put mass on the back. it shortens the range of motion and gives you better leverage over the weight. this all adds up to rowing heavier weight. rowing heavy weight for reps will give you a back big enough to have your own group of haters on youtube:)
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All great info—cheers M M.
What the hell are the admins waiting for on banning this guy?
[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
Smallfry69 wrote:
maraudermeat wrote:
here’s how i do them. i take a wider than shoulder width grip. i’m sure to keep my lower back from rounding and i pull the weight back into my gut. i think you should do them in a way that lets you use as much weight as possible while still protecting the lower back without a huge amount of swing. this is a mass builder and a little body english is expected. those that believe in slow reps with “perfect” form are always small and weak.
Wow! That’s extremely impressive!
I can’t get anywhere close to that weight with deads or even shrugs without complete grip failure. I’ve switched to a mix-grip, which has helped, but I might have to go with some wraps, but I really need to develop that grip strength IMHO, as that’s what’s lacking for me.
Was that raw or with a belt on? Just wondering if it’s recommended to use a belt for exercises like the rows, due to the stress that can be placed on the lower back?
Damn nice lift for reps, damn nice!
i put the belt on at 405. all sets before it are without. if you keep the knees bent, force your hips back and keep your chest high, the lower back is very safe. even if i was to round the lower back some, there ain’t a weight that i could row that’s going to hurt my lower back. i train my lower back, obliques and abs to handle crazy weight.
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Ditto. My logic on the back stress has generally been this- If I can stiff-leg 605, I don’t have anythign to worry about rowing 425. I think it is pretty rare that soemone will be able to row enough turn this into hard lower back work.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
There is the Ignore feature.[/quote]
Yea, but until EVERYONE starts using it, you and I will still have to read the replies to his nonsense.
I wouldn’t really care except that I am on here to get ideas and to help share training insight with people that are just starting out. I feel bad for the guys that end up getting his “advice” and thinking it’s meant to be serious. Maybe it’s better that people don’t ignore him and continue to point out how dumb he really is just so no one ends up taking his “advice” on accident. Until he finally gets the idea and goes away that is…
On another note, I tried Pendlay rows for a while and didn’t like them at all. I like regular BORs much better. However, the opposite is true for at least one guy I’ve trained with. BORs never did much for him, but Pendlay rows were a godsend. If you watch carefully, or experiment, you can figure out which one is doing more for your back.
[quote]Pinto wrote:
maraudermeat wrote:
Smallfry69 wrote:
maraudermeat wrote:
here’s how i do them. i take a wider than shoulder width grip. i’m sure to keep my lower back from rounding and i pull the weight back into my gut. i think you should do them in a way that lets you use as much weight as possible while still protecting the lower back without a huge amount of swing. this is a mass builder and a little body english is expected. those that believe in slow reps with “perfect” form are always small and weak.
Wow! That’s extremely impressive!
I can’t get anywhere close to that weight with deads or even shrugs without complete grip failure. I’ve switched to a mix-grip, which has helped, but I might have to go with some wraps, but I really need to develop that grip strength IMHO, as that’s what’s lacking for me.
Was that raw or with a belt on? Just wondering if it’s recommended to use a belt for exercises like the rows, due to the stress that can be placed on the lower back?
Damn nice lift for reps, damn nice!
i put the belt on at 405. all sets before it are without. if you keep the knees bent, force your hips back and keep your chest high, the lower back is very safe. even if i was to round the lower back some, there ain’t a weight that i could row that’s going to hurt my lower back. i train my lower back, obliques and abs to handle crazy weight.
Ditto. My logic on the back stress has generally been this- If I can stiff-leg 605, I don’t have anythign to worry about rowing 425. I think it is pretty rare that soemone will be able to row enough turn this into hard lower back work. [/quote]
this is a perfect example of knowledge that you get under the bar. an internet geak with no world experience would jump to say you are going to hurt your back doing rows that aren’t really slow and bent over parallel to the floor. in the real world, we train our lower backs to handle double the weight that you could ever row. the last thing that i’m thinking about when rowing is if my lower back can handle it.
[quote]threewhitelights wrote:
Bill Roberts wrote:
There is the Ignore feature.
Yea, but until EVERYONE starts using it, you and I will still have to read the replies to his nonsense.
I wouldn’t really care except that I am on here to get ideas and to help share training insight with people that are just starting out. I feel bad for the guys that end up getting his “advice” and thinking it’s meant to be serious. Maybe it’s better that people don’t ignore him and continue to point out how dumb he really is just so no one ends up taking his “advice” on accident. Until he finally gets the idea and goes away that is…
On another note, I tried Pendlay rows for a while and didn’t like them at all. I like regular BORs much better. However, the opposite is true for at least one guy I’ve trained with. BORs never did much for him, but Pendlay rows were a godsend. If you watch carefully, or experiment, you can figure out which one is doing more for your back.[/quote]
I agree completely time in the gym will explain everything. I have just recently (5mnths)started doing pendlay’s (didnt even know they were called that till a month ago) and have seen gains in strength and size compared to my stagnant BOR’s. I am a huge believer that everyone is different and there bodies will each react differently to exercises. Again you can only learn this by experimenting. I am a big fan of this site and am a reader more than a poster. If a person has any type of brain they can tell who to listen to and who not to. I NEVER POST BUT THIS KID IS DRIVING ME CRAZY!!!
Stay strong lift hard and for all you beginners keep it simple keep it stupid. All you need to know is work hard and be humble. Take more advanced people’s advice and dont listen to idiots.
In case anyone missed the other thread on this, you can check out Frank’s Barbell Row form here. Apparently, he is doing it all wrong and will never get big.
[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
ChristopheD wrote:
LOL @ all people on youtube bashing on maraudermeat form … “He gys im 150lbers and I told you rowing that way is shitty form” His form was perfect.
Great Strength, my max squat is still 20 pounds lower than this !
Do you believe, strength/mass wise, wide grip over closer grip for rowing ? Or is it just your personal preference ?
i leave all those negative comments up so i can get a good laugh. plus it’s gotta be theraputic for all the pencil necks out there that don’t have the balls to say it to us meatheads in person.
definitely go with the wide grip if you are looking to put mass on the back. it shortens the range of motion and gives you better leverage over the weight. this all adds up to rowing heavier weight. rowing heavy weight for reps will give you a back big enough to have your own group of haters on youtube:)
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Thanks for the answer !
Let me few years and I will have impressive videos to have my own haters club, = P
You are a really grounded man, good to have you around !
[quote]giterdone wrote:
In case anyone missed the other thread on this, you can check out Frank’s Barbell Row form here. Apparently, he is doing it all wrong and will never get big.[/quote]
That’s what steroids and genetics will get ya. It sucks the way some people don’t have to work hard. Lucky things.
[quote]giterdone wrote:
In case anyone missed the other thread on this, you can check out Frank’s Barbell Row form here. Apparently, he is doing it all wrong and will never get big.[/quote]
he will never build any mass and will most definitely hurt his lower back.
Wow. This thread is pathetic.
It’s like this place has been invaded by a couple little gnats who don’t understand strength training and being strong enough, experienced enough and aggressive enough to handle meaningful weight in basic fucking exercises without getting a boo boo.
Oh wait, this is kind of a cyclical thing around here…maybe that’s why I just train, compete and coach rather than post around here much anymore.
Good lord. This really isn’t that complicated.
Great googly moogly.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
I also have to agree with the others that for the aforementioned reasons (heavy deads and RDLs) I am not even remotely worried about hurting my lower back.[/quote]
And ultimately, this brings us back to “why do people do curls out of a power rack”- are they really curling more than they can haul off the floor?
[quote]Pinto wrote:
pushharder wrote:
I also have to agree with the others that for the aforementioned reasons (heavy deads and RDLs) I am not even remotely worried about hurting my lower back.
And ultimately, this brings us back to “why do people do curls out of a power rack”- are they really curling more than they can haul off the floor? [/quote]
last night i had to tell a guy to move his 3 curling bars off the bench. he has a 40lb, 50lb and 60lb bar lined up on a bench. it must have been really hard to pick those up off the floor.
[quote]IronAbrams wrote:
paraphrasing here
guy posts on one of his DB Row youtube vids complaining about his bad form and how all the big guys that he sees use terrible form
Matt Kroc: hmm all the biggest guys use bad form, you might be onto something there…[/quote]
i seen that to, that guy knows nothing.
[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
Pinto wrote:
pushharder wrote:
I also have to agree with the others that for the aforementioned reasons (heavy deads and RDLs) I am not even remotely worried about hurting my lower back.
And ultimately, this brings us back to “why do people do curls out of a power rack”- are they really curling more than they can haul off the floor?
last night i had to tell a guy to move his 3 curling bars off the bench. he has a 40lb, 50lb and 60lb bar lined up on a bench. it must have been really hard to pick those up off the floor.
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Ahhh. That must be how these boys end up with 18 inch arms and 12 inch necks
I do them mark rippetoe starting strength style. Almost all the way bent over and weight starts at the floor each rep.
[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
TYPE2B wrote:
maraudermeat wrote:
here’s how i do them. i take a wider than shoulder width grip. i’m sure to keep my lower back from rounding and i pull the weight back into my gut. i think you should do them in a way that lets you use as much weight as possible while still protecting the lower back without a huge amount of swing. this is a mass builder and a little body english is expected. those that believe in slow reps with “perfect” form are always small and weak.
I don’t care who you are, your form sucks ass… Either way, you’re still strong…
Rows, either pendlay style, bent style, whatever, should never be done with momentum. You are not trying to train your lower back dynamically. This movement should be done super strict, cause after all, you’re trying to add mass on your upper back. Let us think of it this way, many people consider barbell curls to be one of the best exercises to build your biceps, and yet, none of these people recommend any “body english”. Same thing with rows. They should be done strict, and the only type of action that your posterior chain should be involved with is isometric, NOT DYNAMIC!
…Even though you gave out a crappy advice, you’re still one of the strongest people ever! You’re still awesome so please don’t worry.
my form sucks ass and i’m giving crappy advice but yet, in your own words, i’m one of the strongest people… interesting. i wonder how i got that way?? this will be the one and only time that i will respond to your nonsense. i don’t believe in feeding into internet drama. i’m way to busy for that. the advice i give is real world tested. that means that i’ve used it and use it with the people that i coach. it sometimes flys in the face of so called experts. i’ll give my advice and stand behind my credentials and you can give your advice and stand behind yours. we can then let others decide who they want to listen to.
in my world, you haven’t even earned the right to give anyone advice. until you’ve actually done something significant in the world of lifting, then you are just another poser.
i don’t usually give unsolicited advice but i think you really need some- shut the fuck up, lift heavy shit, compete in something and then, and only then do you even come close to having the right to even have an opinion. i say this all the time- you don’t even know that you don’t know shit.
this is what is comical about the internet. you would NEVER in a million years walk up to me in the gym and tell me my form is crappy or that i’m giving out bad advice becuase you know that i would take your scrawny ass over my knee. you are one of the many boys that i see in the gym using your super strict rowing form with the pink dumbells. you are also the very same little trolls secretly envying how strong i am but then go on one of my youtube videos and trash me. then when i go to your videos, suprisingly you don’t have any.
I see this shit all the time and it ALWAYS holds true- those that trash others never succeed themselves. the true champions work hard, keep their heads down and worry about what they are doing. they don’t have time to post endless nonsense on the internet.
i’m putting out a plee to my fellow T-Nation brothers and sisters, PLEASE stop responding to this little boy. He seriously needs a ton more time to grow up before he has earned the right to be here. If he posts, for the love of God let it go. everytime i see his name it makes my eye twitch a little.
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damn, your sexy when your angry. dont stop…