Bangin Skanks and Wearin Tanks

[quote]chobbs wrote:
Wow I really appreciate you taking the time to give this detailed response. You hit the nail right on the head, my right labrum (the one that always rolls out) is torn and I’ve never got it fixed. To answer your questions…

  1. I would say no, I can’t tell you the last time I failed to get the number of reps I wanted for a set.
  2. I have no idea lol but I’m not going to stress about it bc I will more than likely just drop the laterals anyways.
  3. Sometimes rear delt raises and face pulls irritate it
  4. No :confused:
  5. I have not deloaded in at least 9 weeks more than likely 13[/quote]

You’ll need to find out the exact type of labral tear you have. You can then design a program around that (as well as any other past or current injuries). Otherwise, you’ll end up being another one of those people who stubbornly try to hammer a round peg into a square hole.

Without knowing the exact type of tear you have AND seeing how you perform the rear delt raises/facepulls, it’s next to impossible to determine why these or any other movements bother you. One possible theory is that IF you have a tear at the superior/anterior aspect (which would not surprise me), then the eccentric phase under load on the facepulls pulls the humeral head forward and perhaps slightly upward (based on your torso angle and the where the cable is attached), thereby creating the irritation. I want to stress that this is just hypothetical, as I do NOT know the type of tear you have and how you perform the movements in question.

With regards to deloads, it’s something you should consider. I don’t know what program you’re currently running and I don’t want to be that extra cook in the kitchen. However, when you start designing your own programs, I strongly believe that a deload every fifth week is worth consideration (eight weeks would be the maximum IME/IMO).

For every statistical outlier who can train heavy and hard year round, there are many others who will accomplish more in the long run (you’re in this for life, right?) by easing off the throttle every so often.

And remember, a productive deload can incorporate change in exercise, rep scheme, etc. The longer I’ve been doing this, the more I’m convinced that simply reducing the weight/volume on the same exact exercises is not the optimal deload method. Show me a lifter that claims he has no weak links and I’ll show you someone who is either delusional or a liar. Every new person I meet, I make a friendly wager that, based on their training history, I’ll expose a weakness in three exercises or less. And I’ve yet to lose.

Like anything else, how you design the deload should be based on your strengths, weaknesses, past or current injury as you enter that phase. For example, if someone strained their left quadratus lumborum dead lifting, then he’d be mistaken to do bb rows during the deload, as this would hinder the strain from recovering. However, the guy would argue that since he’s not dead lifting and he’s doing the bb rows with good form, it’s okay. Well…it’s not and you’d be surprised how many people make similar errors.

As previously stated, it’s best to accept that getting stronger without getting hurt is an intellectual challenge as well as a physical one.

Week 10 day 1
Med ball throws
3x10 sec
Overhead throws
3x3

Bench 2:00
135x5, 155x4, 175x3,195x2, 215x1
225x1, 3x5 @215, 3x5@190
Fatigue singles:225x1, 250x1 wraps
150x20 wraps pr…idk wtf happened here lol

Incline 2 min
115x20
115x15
115x12

Ring dips 1 min
8,6,5,4,4

Overhead kb carry
16
Dip
X fail
Med ball throw
10
2 rounds
Didn’t like this combination

Overhead carry
16
PUSHDOWN x20
4 rounds

[quote]56x11 wrote:

[quote]chobbs wrote:
Wow I really appreciate you taking the time to give this detailed response. You hit the nail right on the head, my right labrum (the one that always rolls out) is torn and I’ve never got it fixed. To answer your questions…

  1. I would say no, I can’t tell you the last time I failed to get the number of reps I wanted for a set.
  2. I have no idea lol but I’m not going to stress about it bc I will more than likely just drop the laterals anyways.
  3. Sometimes rear delt raises and face pulls irritate it
  4. No :confused:
  5. I have not deloaded in at least 9 weeks more than likely 13[/quote]

You’ll need to find out the exact type of labral tear you have. You can then design a program around that (as well as any other past or current injuries). Otherwise, you’ll end up being another one of those people who stubbornly try to hammer a round peg into a square hole.

Without knowing the exact type of tear you have AND seeing how you perform the rear delt raises/facepulls, it’s next to impossible to determine why these or any other movements bother you. One possible theory is that IF you have a tear at the superior/anterior aspect (which would not surprise me), then the eccentric phase under load on the facepulls pulls the humeral head forward and perhaps slightly upward (based on your torso angle and the where the cable is attached), thereby creating the irritation. I want to stress that this is just hypothetical, as I do NOT know the type of tear you have and how you perform the movements in question.

With regards to deloads, it’s something you should consider. I don’t know what program you’re currently running and I don’t want to be that extra cook in the kitchen. However, when you start designing your own programs, I strongly believe that a deload every fifth week is worth consideration (eight weeks would be the maximum IME/IMO).

For every statistical outlier who can train heavy and hard year round, there are many others who will accomplish more in the long run (you’re in this for life, right?) by easing off the throttle every so often.

And remember, a productive deload can incorporate change in exercise, rep scheme, etc. The longer I’ve been doing this, the more I’m convinced that simply reducing the weight/volume on the same exact exercises is not the optimal deload method. Show me a lifter that claims he has no weak links and I’ll show you someone who is either delusional or a liar. Every new person I meet, I make a friendly wager that, based on their training history, I’ll expose a weakness in three exercises or less. And I’ve yet to lose.

Like anything else, how you design the deload should be based on your strengths, weaknesses, past or current injury as you enter that phase. For example, if someone strained their left quadratus lumborum dead lifting, then he’d be mistaken to do bb rows during the deload, as this would hinder the strain from recovering. However, the guy would argue that since he’s not dead lifting and he’s doing the bb rows with good form, it’s okay. Well…it’s not and you’d be surprised how many people make similar errors.

As previously stated, it’s best to accept that getting stronger without getting hurt is an intellectual challenge as well as a physical one.
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Thanks for your time and responses, I really appreciate them. I’m sorry I can’t give quality responses bc I’m on my phone but long story short, screw laterals for now at least.

Macros are…
75 fat
170 carb
220 protein
With one refeed day a week of
50 fat
340 carb
190 protein
Morning weight is always 191-192 and evening 195-197…lower back is FINALLY starting to lean out. I’m not going by the scale on when I’ll be done but by the mirror but in my non experienced mind I estimate I’ll stop at the low 180’s.

“A great way to train is to do your compound lifts like a powerlifter, your accessory work like a bodybuilder, and your conditioning like a strongman.” -Matt Mills in his most recent article on EliteFTS. If anyone has any good strongman conditioning things they like to do throw em out! I need to get back to doing farmers walks/weighted carries and getting creative with them and some med balls.

[quote]chobbs wrote:
“A great way to train is to do your compound lifts like a powerlifter, your accessory work like a bodybuilder, and your conditioning like a strongman.” -Matt Mills in his most recent article on EliteFTS. If anyone has any good strongman conditioning things they like to do throw em out! I need to get back to doing farmers walks/weighted carries and getting creative with them and some med balls.[/quote]

idk if this is ‘strongman’, but I made a shitty weighted sled out of an old tire a few summers back, and that MF’er was some of the hardest conditioning i’ve ever done haha

[quote]Spidey22 wrote:

[quote]chobbs wrote:
“A great way to train is to do your compound lifts like a powerlifter, your accessory work like a bodybuilder, and your conditioning like a strongman.” -Matt Mills in his most recent article on EliteFTS. If anyone has any good strongman conditioning things they like to do throw em out! I need to get back to doing farmers walks/weighted carries and getting creative with them and some med balls.[/quote]

idk if this is ‘strongman’, but I made a shitty weighted sled out of an old tire a few summers back, and that MF’er was some of the hardest conditioning i’ve ever done haha[/quote]
IM JUSSS TRYNA GET RIPPED TAN AND VASCULAR

Carrying 30 packs is strongman work…

Do you guys have lions head where your at? its just as cheap and busch, natty, keystone etc but its actually good and tastes more akin to a lighter sam adams

[quote]PlainPat wrote:
Carrying 30 packs is strongman work…

Do you guys have lions head where your at? its just as cheap and busch, natty, keystone etc but its actually good and tastes more akin to a lighter sam adams[/quote]

Here is the workout.

Get two 30 racks of beer. Put it in 2 large coolers. Fill it with ice to add weight.

Now that you have your implements, farmer’s walk those on a long stretch of land until you cannot carry them any farther. For added work, walk in sand.

When you get to that point. Take a 3 minute break and carry them back as far as you can without stopping. When you get to this point, call up a few spotters.

[quote]PlainPat wrote:
Carrying 30 packs is strongman work…

Do you guys have lions head where your at? its just as cheap and busch, natty, keystone etc but its actually good and tastes more akin to a lighter sam adams[/quote]
Never heard of it but I’ll def ask around and try it out

[quote]trivium wrote:

[quote]PlainPat wrote:
Carrying 30 packs is strongman work…

Do you guys have lions head where your at? its just as cheap and busch, natty, keystone etc but its actually good and tastes more akin to a lighter sam adams[/quote]

Here is the workout.

Get two 30 racks of beer. Put it in 2 large coolers. Fill it with ice to add weight.

Now that you have your implements, farmer’s walk those on a long stretch of land until you cannot carry them any farther. For added work, walk in sand.

When you get to that point. Take a 3 minute break and carry them back as far as you can without stopping. When you get to this point, call up a few spotters.[/quote]
we need to all meet at a central location and play century pong and train

Week 10 Day 2
Squat: 135x5, 155x4, 185x3, 205x2, 225x1
235x1, 5x5 @ 190 in 10:10…just couldn’t get my stance right then 225x1, 275x1 vid coming of last set

Deads 2 min rest
135x5
225x3
5x3 @ 275

High bar paused squats
4x5 @ 185…i suck

3 rounds of
100 lb each hand farm carry for 60 feet down/60 feet back
5 box jumps
10 KB swings with 16 KG
1 min rest

3 rounds of
Suitcase KB carry with 32 KG 60 feet down/60 back
Rollout x 8

Toes to bar
3xfail

I did that bicep thing that was today’s article
27.5x8 reps then 22 reps in 3 minutes…holy mid/low back pump

Bar was a little left so it felt off still a fairly smooth rep

Where are the instructions for curling those beers? Must be semi decent conditioning ahha.

lions head is dope. They might be a pa only local thing but a 24/12 glass bottles for 13 bucks is pretty sweet for the quality

Those high bar pauses are hard as fuck right?

Need to get elbows underneath and sit down not back. Back makes 0 sense to me, it literally makes it so your legs the strongest muscle group you have are not underneath you whereas the best raw squatters only sit slightly back and keep their body upright and their legs underneath them to actually use them

EDIT: just rewatched with comp turned sideways its not actually that bad pretty decent

[quote]PlainPat wrote:
Need to get elbows underneath and sit down not back. Back makes 0 sense to me, it literally makes it so your legs the strongest muscle group you have are not underneath you whereas the best raw squatters only sit slightly back and keep their body upright and their legs underneath them to actually use them

EDIT: just rewatched with comp turned sideways its not actually that bad pretty decent [/quote]
It can definitely get better. I swear I’m not trying to ignore your advice about my elbows but my right one feels so unstable at the point where it’s at now. I’ll figure something out.

[quote]chobbs wrote:

[quote]trivium wrote:

[quote]PlainPat wrote:
Carrying 30 packs is strongman work…

Do you guys have lions head where your at? its just as cheap and busch, natty, keystone etc but its actually good and tastes more akin to a lighter sam adams[/quote]

Here is the workout.

Get two 30 racks of beer. Put it in 2 large coolers. Fill it with ice to add weight.

Now that you have your implements, farmer’s walk those on a long stretch of land until you cannot carry them any farther. For added work, walk in sand.

When you get to that point. Take a 3 minute break and carry them back as far as you can without stopping. When you get to this point, call up a few spotters.[/quote]
we need to all meet at a central location and play century pong and train [/quote]

When I graduate. I’ll bring the Lions Head.

Somebody pick the main exercise for tomorrow…either seated OHP, reverse band bench, or slingshot for 4x8.

[quote]chobbs wrote:
Somebody pick the main exercise for tomorrow…either seated OHP, reverse band bench, or slingshot for 4x8.[/quote]

If you haven’t benched in more than 4 days, whip out the slanger.

If you have, hit up them OHPs.