Athletes and Race

[quote]CoolColJ wrote:
And Maurice and co. are clean as a whistle? LMAO
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Go back to charliefrancis.com, idiot. You have NO INSIGHT WHATSOEVER into whether Maurice or any other elite sprinter uses drugs. Yet, you’re so confident on the matter that you can accentuate your assertion with a “LMAO” as if it’s so obvious that anyone who doesn’t believe it deserves to be ridiculed. What a fucking joke. You’re nothing more than a Charlie Francis lemming. A slow, pudgy one, at that.

To the rest of you who think you “know” for a fact that all elite sprinters are on drugs: if you’re not an elite sprinter, have never trained elite sprinters, or do not otherwise associate closely with elite sprinters and have a first-hand familiarity with the elite sprinting scene, then YOU DON’T KNOW JACK FUCK other than what spiteful losers like CF spew to validate their accomplishments. Do not pretend to know what you don’t know.

BTW, I have known Ato Boldon personally for eight years and I genuinely believe that he never used anything. If he did, then no-one in this world can really judge a person’s character.

[quote]belligerent wrote:
CoolColJ wrote:
And Maurice and co. are clean as a whistle? LMAO

Go back to charliefrancis.com, idiot. You have NO INSIGHT WHATSOEVER into whether Maurice or any other elite sprinter uses drugs. Yet, you’re so confident on the matter that you can accentuate your assertion with a “LMAO” as if it’s so obvious that anyone who doesn’t believe it deserves to be ridiculed. What a fucking joke. You’re nothing more than a Charlie Francis lemming. A slow, pudgy one, at that.

To the rest of you who think you “know” for a fact that all elite sprinters are on drugs: if you’re not an elite sprinter, have never trained elite sprinters, or do not otherwise associate closely with elite sprinters and have a first-hand familiarity with the elite sprinting scene, then YOU DON’T KNOW JACK FUCK other than what spiteful losers like CF spew to validate their accomplishments. Do not pretend to know what you don’t know.
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Just one question.

At which point in time will you log back in under a different name and support your post?

When OG goes back up and I can grow weed again.

I read TABOO when it first came out in 1999. Although I do share the author’s position that blacks have a genetic advantage in certain athletic endeavors, that book is absolute garbage. It is full of factual errors, and it’s a joke how Jon Entine thinks he is qualified to put down the final word on the issue. He says “Don’t expect a white man to win an olympic gold medal in a running event anytime soon,” and that has happened at least five times (just off the top of my head) since the book was published, as well as in every Olympics that I can think of prior to book’s release. Tabloid journalism at it’s best.

[quote]Kliplemet wrote:
don’t you agree there is a lot of insight in that book?

have you read any others that you recommend?[/quote]

No, I do not agree that there is a lot of insight in that book, aside from what is obvious. It contains a lot of misinformation. One jewel that comes to mind is Entine’s claim that all of the 500 fastest times in the 100m have been recorded by black sprinters, which is utter bullshit considering that both white and asian men have run 10.00 legally and there have been less than 200 sub-10 performances in history.

Can’t say that I have read any other books on the subject. I believe that this is one of those things hasn’t been proven either way, and that nobody, much less some shitty fucking journalist, can claim to have the answer to.

kiki16 wrote:
… It’s interesting that Africans even look different than American Blacks. Such as their facial features.

This kind of leads onto another point. What exactly do we all mean when we say BLACK and WHITE? I`m sure that I read somewhere that a bunch of the top 100m sprinters from the last 10 years could specifically trace their routes back to West Africa. Different areas of Africa produce different styles of atheletes much like different areas of Europe produce very different atheletes.

By juts going with the white and black thing you are limiting the scope of the discussion, it is much broader than that.

Kenyans, Nigerians and West Indians are as different as Norwegians, Italians and English.

Did I read somewhere on this thread that white guys are better hammer throwers?
Wait, theres actually a sport that let’s me throw hammers? Man, I love throwing hammers. Maybe it’s all that germanic/anglo-saxon knight genetics. I like swords and martial arts too, maybe it’s genetic. lol

-Wyrd1 the weird one.
Oh yeah in all seriousness is there actually a sport that involves throwing hammers?

[quote]deshawn wrote:
Why the does this bullshit always have to come up. You guys are always having this black versus white thing going on.[/quote]

I agree. Enough of this crap.

Besides, everyone knows the Scots excel at the sport of picking up heavy shit and throwing it around.

You just have to watch out for those damn French people. Sneaky little buggers.

Four hundred years people from Africa were brought here under the worst conditions. Darwinism the strong did survive.

If it was just the nature of people of African desent to be super athletes than wouldm’t some African countries dominate sports?

Michael Vick willed his team (VA Tech) to a win against West VA when he was in college. Joe Montana willed his team over Cincy in the Super Bowl.

One white boy ,one brother, both winners. I’d take either on my team.

Someone once said that Michael Jordan was successful due to his large hands and long achilles tendons. I am sure many people have large hands and long tendons but there is only one Michael Jordan.

Maybe for the last several hundred years white people have had it “easier” than blacks in terms of living conditions, but I doubt that has to do with blacks outperforming whites some sports.

Remember that for tens of thousands of years EVERYBODY had it rough as hell. A thousand years ago white people were just as “rugged” as blacks and could push their bodies just as hard. At that time white people made each other slaves; race wasn’t the issue. White people have been “toughened” by harsh conditions just as much as black people through the ages. There’s no reason to believe that just a few generations has whiped out white toughness and made American blacks supermen. I think the playing field is more even than you think.
The reason that there are more blacks in the NBA is most likely social, with more black role models in basketball than whites, maybe it draws more blacks. Who knows?

[quote]wyrd1 wrote:
Oh yeah in all seriousness is there actually a sport that involves throwing hammers?[/quote]

Yes.

You do watch the Olympics, don’t you?

I’m a bit late joining this discussion - but if race is equal, meaning there are no structural or physiological diferences from race to race, then explain to me why no white man has ever broke 10.00 in the 100m sprint?

[quote]ConorM wrote:
My comments about game intelligence seem to have been understood by some and misconstrued by others. Whilst its just my opinion (not a very strong one really just a theory of mine) at the moment I believe it to hold some truth.

In soccer the majority of the fastest players are black. Some white guys are lightning, but not as many. We could start listing them as a comparison or you could just trust me. In the world cup the fastest teams are always Senegal, Cameroon or some other west african nation.

The majority of crafty intelligent players are white. Naming Ronaldinho as a counter example does not make this any less true. YES there are plenty of crafty, creative intelligent black players, but they are fewer than their white counterparts.

I believe this is because many white players simply would not have made it to an elite level as their athletic prowess is sub-par, unless they hade amazing other abilities to make up for it. Black athletes found this less of a problem, as on average, they had superior athletic traits. They never had to develop as much game intelligence since they were such speed demons.

In terms of Prof.X’s point about blacks who were fast being automatically shuffled into certain positions in american football, I think it supports my point and isn’t against it. The black athletes weren’t allowed to become quarterbacks because their athletic ability dictated they play elsewhere. White guys without that same explosive ability, were forced to play in a position where creativeness and craftiness mattered more. Otherwise they would not make it at all.

In basketball when I think of someone like Steve Nash I think, he would never have made it unless he developed supreme on court intelligence. But my point would be equally valid if he was black and I am sure there are plenty of black examples. The whole point of this post was a situational one as regards to athletic development, rather than a racial one. If a black athlete has inferior explosive ability and still makes it, you can be damn sure he has game intelligence through the roof. The white athlete experiences inferior explosive ability more often and therefore there tends to be more of his ilk in the elite ranks.[/quote]

I would raise the example of the NFL combine to challenge your theory; How fast you can run, high you can jump, etc., is only a small piece of the overall puzzle - the bottom line is if you can PLAY. So, following your theory, I guess the guys that can PLAY are just crafty and the guys that are genetic freaks get by on physicality alone? I know I’m taking your argument to an extreme but I’m making a point - there are extreme faults with your “theory”.

And using Steve Nash was just a plain bad example. You act as if the guy is some slow white dude lol. Nash is quick and can play the game - period. He isn’t some physical liability out there relying on tricks to get by - in fact, he’s the best point guard in the game right now and he’s not “scraping” by in the league with “craftiness” or clever trickery.

I don’t know the answers to the questions posed here; but I do know this - you open up race and athleticism and you cannot keep the lid shut on race and intelligence. I don’t know the answers…

But, I sentence you all to read 7 Daughters of Eve for perspective.

in a hurry, did not read the entire thread, sorry if this has been covered already. the more diversity a paricular race has in their DNA, the more likely that that population is going to produce an athletic freak. there is more diversity in the genome in an east african village than all of europe and the americas combined. so it would be easy to assume that people of east african decent, more than likey have more diversity withen their DNA, thus more likely to produce extremes in one area or another. be it intelligence, height, or athletic ability.

can people of european decent prduce stud speed athletes form time to time, yep, just does not happen as often. is the current 400 meter world record holder not white?

for more detail on this stuff check out the most recent national geographic magazine.

[quote]belligerent wrote:
CoolColJ wrote:
And Maurice and co. are clean as a whistle? LMAO

Go back to charliefrancis.com, idiot. You have NO INSIGHT WHATSOEVER into whether Maurice or any other elite sprinter uses drugs. Yet, you’re so confident on the matter that you can accentuate your assertion with a “LMAO” as if it’s so obvious that anyone who doesn’t believe it deserves to be ridiculed. What a fucking joke. You’re nothing more than a Charlie Francis lemming. A slow, pudgy one, at that.

To the rest of you who think you “know” for a fact that all elite sprinters are on drugs: if you’re not an elite sprinter, have never trained elite sprinters, or do not otherwise associate closely with elite sprinters and have a first-hand familiarity with the elite sprinting scene, then YOU DON’T KNOW JACK FUCK other than what spiteful losers like CF spew to validate their accomplishments. Do not pretend to know what you don’t know.

BTW, I have known Ato Boldon personally for eight years and I genuinely believe that he never used anything. If he did, then no-one in this world can really judge a person’s character.
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LOL; you’re living in la la land. Best friend was a world class high jumper - as an elite athlete traveling the world in the competition circuit, you are part of a “track community” - those guys know each other, the trainers, the meet directors, etc. CF was not exaggerating - but take comfort my angry friend - the top ten guys would still be the top ten guys if you took everyone off - or put everyone back on; the 20th best guy in the world won’t be top 5 or 10 if everyone gets off drugs.

Why so damn angry about an insider fact? And do you think Mr. Bolton, in view of your “personal” whatever, is going to confide in you something that is illegal and would cause him to be barred from that very hypocritical sport and otherwise lose his career?

“Psst, Mr. Belligerent, my main man, we’ve known each other for 8 years now and I’ve been bursting to confess to you, dude, I use performance enhancing drugs…now, please, keep this between you and I because I could get in trouble, be embarrassed on a world wide scale, lose my career and be banned from my sport - I’m trusting you bro, because we’re buds”.

LOLOLOLOL.

[quote]heavythrower wrote: is the current 400 meter world record holder not white?
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No, in fact.

[quote]heavythrower wrote:
in a hurry, did not read the entire thread, sorry if this has been covered already. the more diversity a paricular race has in their DNA, the more likely that that population is going to produce an athletic freak. there is more diversity in the genome in an east african village than all of europe and the americas combined. so it would be easy to assume that people of east african decent, more than likey have more diversity withen their DNA, thus more likely to produce extremes in one area or another. be it intelligence, height, or athletic ability.

can people of european decent prduce stud speed athletes form time to time, yep, just does not happen as often. is the current 400 meter world record holder not white?

for more detail on this stuff check out the most recent national geographic magazine.[/quote]

Eureka!!! Finally, I ray of intelligence - fine post White Boy. The intelligence in your post is undoubtedly due to your rather limited athletic ability - which in turn, required you to study more to learn how to be “crafty” or otherwise get by on your intelligence. LOL.

J/K - nice post.

And just to muddy the waters, and piss people off, and open your minds, - while we’re wondering aloud why no white man has gone sub 10 in the 100m, could we take some other human endeavor relying on intelligence and wonder aloud why no black man had accomplished the same as a means to validate a theory?

I hope not.

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:
heavythrower wrote:
in a hurry, did not read the entire thread, sorry if this has been covered already. the more diversity a paricular race has in their DNA, the more likely that that population is going to produce an athletic freak. there is more diversity in the genome in an east african village than all of europe and the americas combined. so it would be easy to assume that people of east african decent, more than likey have more diversity withen their DNA, thus more likely to produce extremes in one area or another. be it intelligence, height, or athletic ability.

can people of european decent prduce stud speed athletes form time to time, yep, just does not happen as often. is the current 400 meter world record holder not white?

for more detail on this stuff check out the most recent national geographic magazine.

Eureka!!! Finally, I ray of intelligence - fine post White Boy. The intelligence in your post is undoubtedly due to your rather limited athletic ability - which in turn, required you to study more to learn how to be “crafty” or otherwise get by on your intelligence. LOL.

J/K - nice post.

And just to muddy the waters, and piss people off, and open your minds, - while we’re wondering aloud why no white man has gone sub 10 in the 100m, could we take some other human endeavor relying on intelligence and wonder aloud why no black man had accomplished the same as a means to validate a theory?

I hope not.

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WRONG! East african genes are not more capable of producing an athlete at the extremes of endurance and power if that is what you were alluding to. Name one athlete that can trace his lineage from east africa that is good at a power sport and I will give you a sticker.

East africans are speed, west africans power. There is no master gene pool that has the best of both. Or that may be white athletes, seem to not be as good at either extreme but are moderate at both. And to the poster below me dont even start with the whole intelligence thing unless you have evidence to back it up.

When we are talking differences in the 100m times keep in mind that there are far fewer people of african decent in a situation that allows them to excel at speed sports than there are white athletes and they still have the fastest times. Training for speed sports is expensive, especially with regard to food and more precisely protein that not many people in africa have access to, distance running…eat some rice and go run.

Dont just think because your white you have to find something that white people are better in. We are talking about physical attributes here. No one on this board is knowledgable enough to even talk about the physical attributes never mind the intelligence of humans from certain areas, dont even start.

[quote]Shadowzz4 wrote:
TheBodyGuard wrote:
heavythrower wrote:
in a hurry, did not read the entire thread, sorry if this has been covered already. the more diversity a paricular race has in their DNA, the more likely that that population is going to produce an athletic freak. there is more diversity in the genome in an east african village than all of europe and the americas combined. so it would be easy to assume that people of east african decent, more than likey have more diversity withen their DNA, thus more likely to produce extremes in one area or another. be it intelligence, height, or athletic ability.

can people of european decent prduce stud speed athletes form time to time, yep, just does not happen as often. is the current 400 meter world record holder not white?

for more detail on this stuff check out the most recent national geographic magazine.

Eureka!!! Finally, I ray of intelligence - fine post White Boy. The intelligence in your post is undoubtedly due to your rather limited athletic ability - which in turn, required you to study more to learn how to be “crafty” or otherwise get by on your intelligence. LOL.

J/K - nice post.

And just to muddy the waters, and piss people off, and open your minds, - while we’re wondering aloud why no white man has gone sub 10 in the 100m, could we take some other human endeavor relying on intelligence and wonder aloud why no black man had accomplished the same as a means to validate a theory?

I hope not.

WRONG! East african genes are not more capable of producing an athlete at the extremes of endurance and power if that is what you were alluding to. Name one athlete that can trace his lineage from east africa that is good at a power sport and I will give you a sticker.

East africans are speed, west africans power. There is no master gene pool that has the best of both. Or that may be white athletes, seem to not be as good at either extreme but are moderate at both. And to the poster below me dont even start with the whole intelligence thing unless you have evidence to back it up.

When we are talking differences in the 100m times keep in mind that there are far fewer people of african decent in a situation that allows them to excel at speed sports than there are white athletes and they still have the fastest times. Training for speed sports is expensive, especially with regard to food and more precisely protein that not many people in africa have access to, distance running…eat some rice and go run.

Dont just think because your white you have to find something that white people are better in. We are talking about physical attributes here. No one on this board is knowledgable enough to even talk about the physical attributes never mind the intelligence of humans from certain areas, dont even start.

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Dickhead, as I’m fond of saying, reading is fundiminental - I made that statement as a means to illustrate how flawed the argument of the alleged lack of white men going sub 10 in the 100m. While conclusions on either side may be proven one way or the other - that reasoning of that 100m statement was as equally flawed as my intelligence statement - it was an illustration Mr. Dumass.

And by the way, lest you actually believe I’m ignorant, yes, I’ve studied, with a passing fancy, anthropology - where we can find scientific, yet politically incorrect answers to the differences between the so-called races.

Where would you like to begin? Want to start with comparative skull thickness among the races? Oh yes sir, the information IS out there is you want to find it. Find it and let’s discuss it. Instead of this nonsense about 100m times, basketball players, etc., let’s at least inject some actual science.

To begin, an excerpt…

"American Anthropological Association
Statement on “Race”
(May 17, 1998)
The following statement was adopted by the Executive Board of the American Anthropological Association, acting on a draft prepared by a committee of representative American anthropologists. It does not reflect a consensus of all members of the AAA, as individuals vary in their approaches to the study of “race.” We believe that it represents generally the contemporary thinking and scholarly positions of a majority of anthropologists.


In the United States both scholars and the general public have been conditioned to viewing human races as natural and separate divisions within the human species based on visible physical differences. With the vast expansion of scientific knowledge in this century, however, it has become clear that human populations are not unambiguous, clearly demarcated, biologically distinct groups. Evidence from the analysis of genetics (e.g., DNA) indicates that most physical variation, about 94%, lies within so-called racial groups. Conventional geographic “racial” groupings differ from one another only in about 6% of their genes. This means that there is greater variation within “racial” groups than between them. In neighboring populations there is much overlapping of genes and their phenotypic (physical) expressions. Throughout history whenever different groups have come into contact, they have interbred. The continued sharing of genetic materials has maintained all of humankind as a single species.

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Let’s leave that white boy can’t jump stuff at home - and discuss this interesting topic with a foundation of at least some damn science.

There’s a saying that goes like this…“A bullet to the head will kill a white man the same as a black man and the same also for an asian man. And when each of these men have fallen to the ground, the color of his blood is all the same.”

Sometimes I wonder if rasicm will ever go away. Reading the different responses I see that no matter what people say, rasicm is something that is embedded within our psyche. Be honest with yourself. Let’s all strive to treat everyone fairly and with mutual respect.