Athletes and Race

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
ConorM wrote:
In terms of Prof.X’s point about blacks who were fast being automatically shuffled into certain positions in american football, I think it supports my point and isn’t against it. The black athletes weren’t allowed to become quarterbacks because their athletic ability dictated they play elsewhere. White guys without that same explosive ability, were forced to play in a position where creativeness and craftiness mattered more. Otherwise they would not make it at all.

You can’t honestly believe that the ONLY reason blacks were not chosen as quarterbacks in majority is because they were simply “better suited” for other positions. Did you somehow miss that whole “civil rights thing”? In the past, “Majority America” was more accepting of a black dominated sport (or even worse originally, blacks playing at all) as long as they are being led by “the majority”. When you see movies like “Remember the Titans”, do you think that is fantasy?[/quote]

No I meant it was the main reason but I am open to changing that opinion because I am not at all expert on American Football.

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[quote]Shadowzz4 wrote:
RJ24,
You could at least use an athlete that hadnt recently stuck a needle in his ass to prove your point…Pavle Jovanovic. And since you are ANY white athlete just keep training and we will soon see your 100meter time right up there with Maurice Green and co.[/quote]

And Maurice and co. are clean as a whistle? LMAO

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[quote]CoolColJ wrote:
Shadowzz4 wrote:
RJ24,
You could at least use an athlete that hadnt recently stuck a needle in his ass to prove your point…Pavle Jovanovic. And since you are ANY white athlete just keep training and we will soon see your 100meter time right up there with Maurice Green and co.

And Maurice and co. are clean as a whistle? LMAO

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As if most elite athletes wouldn’t have the same access if they weren’t? You think the people breaking records are doing so because they are using drugs and everyone else isn’t?

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[quote]ConorM wrote:

No I meant it was the main reason but I am open to changing that opinion because I am not at all expert on American Football.[/quote]

If you don’t know much about the sport, why are you speaking on it at all? You just mouthed off some huge generalization about black athletes being less cunning or mentally acute than white athletes and this is based on what, your lack of knowledge and racial bias?

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This thread is bullshit.A lot of European white guys have invaded the NBA,and a lot of black guys have become QB’s in the NFL.So what,people are people,there’s a lot of shitty white athletes,and a lot of shitty black athletes.And the opposite.Generalizing people for their ethnic or racial makeup is so old,so lets try to act we’re in the 21st century,Please.

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I had an Anatomy & Physiology teacher tell me in high school that, “Blacks are better runners because they have longer tendons.”

I don’t know if this is true or not, just something he told our class.

As far as athletic ability, if someone trains their ass off, who gives a shit what color their skin is? If those individuals are getting awards and accolades, then good for them! They earned it and deserve to be praised for their hardwork and effort.

I also think this same principle applies to education as well.

Just my $.02 worth

~V

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I posted on the thread that spawned this one about race and athletic performance. I definitely dont think skin color plays a role in anything. Just look at genetically how humans in different areas developed.

All humans are extremely similar, there are only miniscule differences regardless of what attribute you are speaking on. 70,000 years ago wanderers left africa and moved into south west asia. These people eventually because europeans. Obviously, these travelers developed a lighter complexion.

Would it be that far fetched to think that over time other adaptations were taking place just based on the day to day habits of the humans in different areas over thousands of years? These are MINISCULE differences and are obviously noticeable when looking at electronic speeds and the like.

I dont think it is racist to think that at all. I’m not talking about intelligence though, I think it is more physical differences. And Im not just talking about white/black I’m talking about east to west african being just as different as white and black, it has nothing to do with skin color its just adaptation to environment

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On “average”, people who have ancestors from a certain region have advantages in different events.

However, top athletes aren’t exactly “average” so you can always find exceptions to the general trend.

If you take 100 good athletes from each of different backgrounds on average you’ll get more excellence from one group than another, however that doesn’t mean the fastest sprinter for example might be from an unexpected group … it just is less likely. And you might be better off pouring your efforts into training up the group that on average does better.

Generally, there are differences though. At at that level of performance, every little bit helps.

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[quote]pookie wrote:
deshawn wrote:
Why the does this bullshit always have to come up. You guys are always having this black versus white thing going on.

Well this place doesn’t do vi vs. Emacs, so it’s the next best thing.[/quote]

Emacs, obviously.

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You guys keep saying how African Americans are dominateing in basketball.

Then how did the U.S. all black olympic team lose to all white

Do you guys think D1 college basketball is not elite?

Who are the two best college basketball players right now?

J.J. Reddick white guy and Adam Morrison White guy.

Who is going to win freshman of the year?

White guy Tyler Hansborugh

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[quote]ConorM wrote:
MarcAnthony wrote:
Well, if you’re going to compare the performances of athletes based on their ethnic background I recommend a sport that’s participated by as many ethnic backgrounds as possible.

So sports like hockey, american football and cricket are out of the question.

Baseball is already a better choice, but I think Soccer is wideley accepted as the largest international game.

And if you look at the top 5 soccer nations you’ll quickly see that there is no common ethnic thread.

In other words, the top 5 countries arent all European, arent all South American, arent all African, arent all Asian.

So there you have it. Stop looking for shit that isnt there.

You are TOTALLY missing the point. I am gonna go out on a limb here and post who are the top 5 soccer nations at the moment. (Ignoring FIFA rankings are they are flawed)

1.Brazil
2.Argentina
3.Italy
4.England
5.France

Now there are many players of all different ethnic backgrounds on these teams. Therefore they must all be equal? Not true.

3 of these countries have a reasonable ethnic mix, two are pretty much all white.

Amongst the three with a decent mix, Brazil, France and England, if you look closely you would see that lightning feet forwards are mostly black. Not all but mostly. Creative midfielders tend to be white in greater number.

This is just my opinion and won’t hold water scientifically but all the same. In no particular order.

The top 5 fastest players in the world:
1.Djibril Cisse
2.Obafemi Martins
3.Samuel Eto’o
4.Dennis Rommedahl
5.Thierry Henry

Top 5 creative players:

  1. Ronaldinho
  2. Riquelme
  3. Zidane
  4. Aimar
  5. Totti

1 white guy on first list, 1 black guy on second. Its just my opinion though so ignore it as regards to this argument.[/quote]

dibril cisse is fast because he was training to become a sprinter before taking up soccer. and you forgot michael owen, who is known for his speed.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
RJ24 wrote:
With all the work I put in I won’t allow my skin color to hold me back.

I don’t mean to belittle this thread, but this comment coming from a white guy in America just strikes me as “funny as all get out”. Carry onward and upward, my downtrodden bretheren.[/quote]

Yeah X, I know how crazy that sounded, but that’s the way it is…in sprinting.

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[quote]RJ24 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
RJ24 wrote:
With all the work I put in I won’t allow my skin color to hold me back.

I don’t mean to belittle this thread, but this comment coming from a white guy in America just strikes me as “funny as all get out”. Carry onward and upward, my downtrodden bretheren.

Yeah X, I know how crazy that sounded, but that’s the way it is…in sprinting.
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I don’t think you got me. Guys joking with you for being white is not degrading you. In high school, there was one friend I had in a rather large group of us who was white. Nickname? “White bread”. We were probably the most diverse group of people in any high school as I do believe every nationality was represented. One guy I knew would pray facing East in the stairwell. Either way, the point is, no one is “discriminating” against you. What you have described is NOTHING like what blacks have had to deal with and many would find your comment completely disrespectful. I am simply looking for humor in it.

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True, but if Lebron had decided to play college ball and if Carmelo had decided to stay at Syracuse, then no one would give a crap about Reddick and Morrison.

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[quote]MarcAnthony wrote:
Well, if you’re going to compare the performances of athletes based on their ethnic background I recommend a sport that’s participated by as many ethnic backgrounds as possible.

So sports like hockey, american football and cricket are out of the question.

Baseball is already a better choice, but I think Soccer is wideley accepted as the largest international game.

And if you look at the top 5 soccer nations you’ll quickly see that there is no common ethnic thread.

In other words, the top 5 countries arent all European, arent all South American, arent all African, arent all Asian.

So there you have it. Stop looking for shit that isnt there.[/quote]

Soccer is a sport that requires the players to have several attributes to play at a high standard. Speed, strength, ball skills and the ability to read the play all contribute to the quality of the player.

To look at whether people of african descent make better athletes, in a physical sense, you need to look at a closed atheltic skills, such as sprinting. Black athletes dominate the short and long distance running events (wider ethnic spread with the middle distance?why?). This cannot be disputed.

Yes, you can get exceptions, but you have to look at average trends and make a judgement based on that.

Why the difference between the dominance of white athletes in upper body power events (shot, javelin, hammer) and the dominance by black atheles in lower body power events, specifically sprinting?

Who knows?

Wheels

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[quote]deadgame wrote:
Yeah…when you were talking about physicality you brought up quality points. When you started talking about creativity and “game intelligence” you fell off the mark. In American Football quarterbacks have traditionally been white, not so much for there inherent intelligence over blacks, but more likely because traditionally black athletes with good hands were made into DB’s and wideouts. Watch now as more black coaches get head positions and more black quarterbacks make the D1 and NFL ranks and then compare the difference.[/quote]

Superior athleticism is not required to play QB in the NFL.

It can be a draw back if you are faster than everyone else because you may tend to rely on your foot speed and not learn to read a defense, like Michael Vick.

The slightly slower guy that spends all his time working on reading a defense and making the correct throws is often favored by the coaching staffs because the coachs feel more in control.

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[quote]jwillow wrote:
b_ambuehl wrote:
How come people have no problem recognizing the fact that there are vast differences genetic wise between dog breeds and other animals but they can’t see the same difference among people?

Because they know the information will be misused.

Of course there are statistically significant differences between the physical and mental abilities of different population groups. But there are much larger differences between individual people.

So, for example, the average IQ of ethnic group X may be higher than that of ethnic group Y, but that information is completely useless in predicting the relative IQ of two individuals from those groups.

That’s why stereotypes are dangerous: not because they’re wrong, but because they inevitably are misused to prejudge individuals. Note that the word prejudice is derived from pre-judge.

And for a real-life example: the known statistical facts about the difference in average penis size between blacks and whites says nothing about the size of my dick.[/quote]

This is correct. It doesn’t matter if it is race or sex or whatever. Just to notice the differences is not allowed anymore.

The president of Harvard was shitcanned for pointing out that more men than women were high level mathmaticians.

How can we get any real studies done to compare athletic ability between the races in this environment?

Should the studies be done or will the data be used for the wrong things?

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[quote]kiki16 wrote:
… It’s interesting that Africans even look different than American Blacks. Such as their facial features.[/quote]

Many Black Americans have white ancestry also.

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[quote]steelwheels wrote:

Soccer is a sport that requires the players to have several attributes to play at a high standard. Speed, strength, ball skills and the ability to read the play all contribute to the quality of the player.

To look at whether people of african descent make better athletes, in a physical sense, you need to look at a closed atheltic skills, such as sprinting. Black athletes dominate the short and long distance running events (wider ethnic spread with the middle distance?why?). This cannot be disputed.[/quote]

I thought that the question was whether or not athlete’s of various ethnic backgrounds make better athletes.

Sprinting is only one small aspect of being a great athlete (unless you’re a sprinter).

There’s more to being athletic than “raw stats”, because if that were true sprinters, olympic weightlifters and powerlifters would dominate every sport - which they clearly dont.

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[quote]kiki16 wrote:
… It’s interesting that Africans even look different than American Blacks. Such as their facial features.
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Why is that interesting?

You could put a bunch of white Europeans in the same room and I could tell just by looking at their faces which are Russian, French, Finnish, German.