Arnold's Genetics

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[quote]Go heavy fool wrote:
Cat Nip wrote:
Does anyone here know why Arnold ever began weightlifting? To get to Hollywood. That’s right, he saw that as a ticket to America. Talk about a man with goals and determination. He not only became champion earlier than anyone else, he then moved here, learned the language, married a Kennedy, and became the Governor of California. Let’s face it, determination and dedication can get you anywhere. If only there wasn’t that pesky law preventing him from running for President…

you have illustrated my point very well. i did not want to go there though, i could not even get past the bodybuilding perspective. what i tried to do was show that Arnold’s determination factor had more to do with his succes than his genetics. but i have failed. the reason i used arnold was because his genetics were considered spectacular by most. i saw him different.

i saw his determination as spectacular, that determination resulted in the greatest bodybuilder of all time, one of the biggest movie starts ever, the governor, Kennedy marraige, you name it…the man is determined. he also has a degree in buisness from uviv of wisconsin.

i wanted to shift the thought of genetics holding people back to dtermination overcomming the odds. lets face it Arnold was not a typical movie star. he had a vision. and he followed thru with it. if we all could only have his vision. and if only half of my readers only could visualize what i’m talking about. i think alot of you do.

but alot of you do like to just debate for the sake of debating. there is some concept behind my madness. trust me. that’s why i choose ARNOLD. if i can show that this guy “The genetic freak” …arnold, had a determination factor that ran his life and not his genetics. than it will hold true for everyone. well basicaly everyone. most of us anyway.

of course if you have no arms and lost them in an accident and you are 5’ 2" tall, you are probaly not gonna make MR. O, but thats not at all what I’m saying. some people just like to pretend that i am. You all know what I’m talking about. It just may yake alot more effort and believe for you to fancy these realities. thats why genetics wont matter to 99% of the people who read this thread. how many of us will actually be in an Olympia contest.

I like Prof X’s stand. just don’t confuse it with what I’m saying. I know nobody can look like Arnold. Arnold can’t even look like Arnold. He’s 60 years old. But that wasn’t what made arnold. Genetics are kinetic energy that will only be released thru determination. Most people think you have to have the genetics first. It’s actually reversed. Until the point is realized, you have failed in your thoughts.

“Imagination is more important than knowledge” - Einstein

…I do believe Arnold must have took Albert’s advice

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I’m going to ask a stupid what if question.

What if determination was determined by genetics ?

Wouldn’t that be funny?

After all our outlook on life may well be determined by genetics.

Let’s face there is a lot we don’t know.

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You are under the false presumption that most people here view genetics as a limitation. That’s not the case.

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[quote]GatorFan wrote:
Go heavy fool wrote:

I don’t see how no matter how bad your genetics supposedly are should get in anyones way of accomplishing a world class physique.

You may not be Mr. Olympia, but it doesn’t rule out the possibility that you can’t make it on to the Olympia stage someday to try to compete. I like to think anything is possible if the detmination is there.

Reality may set in that you may never be #1 in the world. But even if you were #30 out of millions that would be one hell of an accomplishment for someone with shitty genetics…

… don’t let that ever stop you from becoming a champion in your own right.

Genetics are far less important than most people think. The average bodybuilder won’t even develope a physique good enough for the stage anyway…

Answer me this, borrowing from another user’s example, if Woody Allen trained did everything right (training, nutrition, AAS, determination, etc) he could make it onto the Olympia stage?

By your reasoning so far, he would not only make it on stage, HE COULD WIN! If he wants it bad enough, by golly he can do it.

Furthermore, you say that if you are #30 in the world you may still have “shitty genetics”, but then you say “the average bodybuilder won’t even develope [sic] good a good enough physique for the stage anyway.”

Do you even read this stuff before you post it.

If a person is #30 out of millions, then THEY ARE GENETICALLY GIFTED, THEREFORE THEY WOULD NOT HAVE “shitty genetics”!!

Again, I think your main point is trying to escape your horrible communication skills in the phrase “don’t let that ever stop you from becoming a champion in your own right.”

I agree with that, and I think most other posters do, too. Maximimize your gentetic potential. Don’t use “bad genetics” as an excuse to have poor nutrition or to be undisiplined in your training/lifestyle.

This has been said plenty of times by plenty of people without some backward-ass example.

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I’ll reply to this poster, he seems to have a bug with me.

Here’s your answer. You would like me to say that Woody allen or Pee Wee Herman can never be Mr. Olympia. You want me to say that their chance is ZERO. Well, considering their age and current shape… it might be damn near ZERO at this point. But say they were young and determined to be a bodybuilder…then they would not look like they do.

If you want to say their chance is ZERO because of genetics, I would change that and say maybe their motivation and determination is their #1 factor considering neither one of them probaly even own a muscle and weigh more than 150lbs. I wouls say their chances are in the trillions to 1. You say zero. I don’t rule out the possibility.

Maybe Prof X’s chances are 50 to 1 or 1000 to 1. And Van Damn’s are 20 to 1 or 5000 to 1. the point is, there is a possibility. I will not say ZERO. What were Arnold’s; Austrian accent an all, chances of becoming the biggest movie star in hollywood. a million to one maybe. I don’t know. But he had a chance. and he made it. Determination will beat the odds more often than not. It’s the lack of determination is where 99% of us fall short in life.

There’s your answer. I will agree that Woody Allen’s chances suck and damn near zero, but it is not zero. therefore he is a long shot. Way long, mabe a 3 trillion to 1 shot. But I will not say that it is impossible and that he “CAN’T” because of his genetics. Again Determination will get him past the first 3 trillion minus 1000 maybe, genetics maybe play a role in the last 1000.

did you just get a new perspective or do you still have a pair of foggy goggles on?

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Anyhow, I don’t want to argue with you. It was a nice little post with a nice message if somewhat befuddling and self-evident.

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I just had to comment on the genetics of musicians. You are sorely mistaken if you think that musical ability is not affected by ones’ genetic makeup…you don’t compose a symphony at 3 years old from practice and dedication. My uncle is an example of someone with immense musical talent who can do things with a bass guitar that I have never seen anyone approach.

I am a fairly competant musician, and your ability to to figure out Joe Satriani by ear is definitely a testiment to your pitch perception without any formal training, but myself…I can play almost anything written in front of me and have been able to from very early on…the technical aspects of guitar came very naturally to me as I was able to play within 5 months what my friends could never dream of playing after 4 or 5 years, but my ear is horrible…

I have trouble discerning between notes and even chords sometimes…a weakness in my mucial abiltyi yes…but technically I can play Satriani, Lifeson, Eric Johnson, etc. As far as bodybuilders…I agree with CT and PBJ in that there are far too many factors to consider, such as responsivenes to AAS, nutrient partitioning, fast-twitch dominance that cannot be overcome by hard work, as one of the genetic abilties of a top level bodybuilder is the abiltiy to withstand a brutal amount of physical work, which someone with “bad” genetics would not be able to cope with.

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[quote]WguitarG wrote:
I just had to comment on the genetics of musicians. You are sorely mistaken if you think that musical ability is not affected by ones’ genetic makeup…you don’t compose a symphony at 3 years old from practice and dedication. My uncle is an example of someone with immense musical talent who can do things with a bass guitar that I have never seen anyone approach.

I am a fairly competant musician, and your ability to to figure out Joe Satriani by ear is definitely a testiment to your pitch perception without any formal training, but myself…I can play almost anything written in front of me and have been able to from very early on…the technical aspects of guitar came very naturally to me as I was able to play within 5 months what my friends could never dream of playing after 4 or 5 years, but my ear is horrible…

I have trouble discerning between notes and even chords sometimes…a weakness in my mucial abiltyi yes…but technically I can play Satriani, Lifeson, Eric Johnson, etc. As far as bodybuilders…I agree with CT and PBJ in that there are far too many factors to consider, such as responsivenes to AAS, nutrient partitioning, fast-twitch dominance that cannot be overcome by hard work, as one of the genetic abilties of a top level bodybuilder is the abiltiy to withstand a brutal amount of physical work, which someone with “bad” genetics would not be able to cope with. [/quote]

lol

i love these examples.

how many musicians are in this percentile of geneticly giften performing mozart style peoces at age 3.

from the last time i checked, the average musician looks like they smoked about 2000 lbs of pot throughout their lifetime. can barely reme,ber their own birthday. and have not bit of musical knowledge other than a power cord.

i love these samples.

if you want to play guitar or play in a band. hit me up. i can teach you regardless of how uncoordianted you may think you are. You don’t need to play Satriani. I’m sure i you could manage with some practice.

musical talant… term should be used lightly

first of ALL…the greatest musicians in the word dont understand music at all. they play by ear and can hear the music. its called imagination. “Jimmy Hendrix” is considered one of the best guitarist of all time and barely new what chord he was playing half of the time.

Eric Clapton is another is can play beautiful sounding music and doent do much on the guitar besides play in the pentatonic scale. The blues scale eric plays in is an easy concept but his tone and sound are in his fingers. requires no genetic talant at all. that requires imagination and duplication. “You have to hear the music inside your head and put it down on the guitar”

i could go on forever but the average guitarist in the most popular bands of today do none other than use a 2 finger power chord and slide in 3 to 4 different positions to make the rhythm of a top selling song. You do not need any bit of genetic gift to be able to play the guitar.

It requires more determination by practicing your instrument and imagination of duplicating what you hear in your head than any amount of hand eye or finger speed coordination. I have several freinds in bands. and play in a few myself, requires no genetic talant whatsoever. requires alot of practice or imagination.

any fool can read a peice of paper and play someone elses music. only the best will produce the songs themselves and put it down on their instrument.

“imagination is more important than knowledge” - Einstein

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[quote]Go heavy fool wrote:
lol

i love these examples.

how many musicians are in this percentile of geneticly giften performing mozart style peoces at age 3.

from the last time i checked, the average musician looks like they smoked about 2000 lbs of pot throughout their lifetime. can barely reme,ber their own birthday. and have not bit of musical knowledge other than a power cord.

i love these samples.

if you want to play guitar or play in a band. hit me up. i can teach you regardless of how uncoordianted you may think you are. You don’t need to play Satriani. I’m sure i you could manage with some practice.

musical talant… term should be used lightly

first of ALL…the greatest musicians in the word dont understand music at all. they play by ear and can hear the music. its called imagination. “Jimmy Hendrix” is considered one of the best guitarist of all time and barely new what chord he was playing half of the time.

Eric Clapton is another is can play beautiful sounding music and doent do much on the guitar besides play in the pentatonic scale. The blues scale eric plays in is an easy concept but his tone and sound are in his fingers. requires no genetic talant at all. that requires imagination and duplication. “You have to hear the music inside your head and put it down on the guitar”

i could go on forever but the average guitarist in the most popular bands of today do none other than use a 2 finger power chord and slide in 3 to 4 different positions to make the rhythm of a top selling song. You do not need any bit of genetic gift to be able to play the guitar.

It requires more determination by practicing your instrument and imagination of duplicating what you hear in your head than any amount of hand eye or finger speed coordination. I have several freinds in bands. and play in a few myself, requires no genetic talant whatsoever. requires alot of practice or imagination.

any fool can read a peice of paper and play someone elses music. only the best will produce the songs themselves and put it down on their instrument.

“imagination is more important than knowledge” - Einstein[/quote]

I can teach you how to spell and use proper punctuation…

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[quote]Cat Nip wrote:
Go heavy fool wrote:
lol

i love these examples.

how many musicians are in this percentile of geneticly giften performing mozart style peoces at age 3.

from the last time i checked, the average musician looks like they smoked about 2000 lbs of pot throughout their lifetime. can barely reme,ber their own birthday. and have not bit of musical knowledge other than a power cord.

i love these samples.

if you want to play guitar or play in a band. hit me up. i can teach you regardless of how uncoordianted you may think you are. You don’t need to play Satriani. I’m sure i you could manage with some practice.

musical talant… term should be used lightly

first of ALL…the greatest musicians in the word dont understand music at all. they play by ear and can hear the music. its called imagination. “Jimmy Hendrix” is considered one of the best guitarist of all time and barely new what chord he was playing half of the time.

Eric Clapton is another is can play beautiful sounding music and doent do much on the guitar besides play in the pentatonic scale. The blues scale eric plays in is an easy concept but his tone and sound are in his fingers. requires no genetic talant at all. that requires imagination and duplication. “You have to hear the music inside your head and put it down on the guitar”

i could go on forever but the average guitarist in the most popular bands of today do none other than use a 2 finger power chord and slide in 3 to 4 different positions to make the rhythm of a top selling song. You do not need any bit of genetic gift to be able to play the guitar.

It requires more determination by practicing your instrument and imagination of duplicating what you hear in your head than any amount of hand eye or finger speed coordination. I have several freinds in bands. and play in a few myself, requires no genetic talant whatsoever. requires alot of practice or imagination.

any fool can read a peice of paper and play someone elses music. only the best will produce the songs themselves and put it down on their instrument.

“imagination is more important than knowledge” - Einstein

I can teach you how to spell and use proper punctuation…
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nope, i’m not determined enough to learn

my sister is an glish professor, so much for “genetics”
i choose to just keep destroying the english language, i have more important things to do

nice try though, you wouln’t happen to teach a class on gripping techniques in lifting would you?

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ok it is now probably time time just let this thread die out

all has been said that isn’t probably just going to keep getting repeated

the posts now are pretty much way off topic

we are now on my horrible typing and spelling

and music and guitars

2 topics for another thread

you can try to manipulate my thoughts in the next thread
this one is boring me to death…it was ok when there was something to view as in “Determination Vs Genetics”

I’m out

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The only way that someone like Woody Allen has more than a zero chance of being Mr. Olympia is if there are no other competitors.

Who is this anyway? Not the original poster. Whoever typed that response new how to spell, punctuate, form a sentence, and use the shift key.

Same senseless point, but maybe a different typist?

[quote]Go heavy fool wrote:
I’ll reply to this poster, he seems to have a bug with me.

Here’s your answer. You would like me to say that Woody allen or Pee Wee Herman can never be Mr. Olympia. You want me to say that their chance is ZERO. Well, considering their age and current shape… it might be damn near ZERO at this point. But say they were young and determined to be a bodybuilder…then they would not look like they do.

If you want to say their chance is ZERO because of genetics, I would change that and say maybe their motivation and determination is their #1 factor considering neither one of them probaly even own a muscle and weigh more than 150lbs. I wouls say their chances are in the trillions to 1. You say zero. I don’t rule out the possibility.

Maybe Prof X’s chances are 50 to 1 or 1000 to 1. And Van Damn’s are 20 to 1 or 5000 to 1. the point is, there is a possibility. I will not say ZERO. What were Arnold’s; Austrian accent an all, chances of becoming the biggest movie star in hollywood. a million to one maybe. I don’t know. But he had a chance. and he made it. Determination will beat the odds more often than not. It’s the lack of determination is where 99% of us fall short in life.

There’s your answer. I will agree that Woody Allen’s chances suck and damn near zero, but it is not zero. therefore he is a long shot. Way long, mabe a 3 trillion to 1 shot. But I will not say that it is impossible and that he “CAN’T” because of his genetics. Again Determination will get him past the first 3 trillion minus 1000 maybe, genetics maybe play a role in the last 1000.

did you just get a new perspective or do you still have a pair of foggy goggles on?[/quote]

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[quote]Go heavy fool wrote:
ok it is now probably time time just let this thread die out

all has been said that isn’t probably just going to keep getting repeated

the posts now are pretty much way off topic

we are now on my horrible typing and spelling

and music and guitars

2 topics for another thread

you can try to manipulate my thoughts in the next thread
this one is boring me to death…it was ok when there was something to view as in “Determination Vs Genetics”

I’m out
[/quote]

good, your posts give me a headache just reading them.

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The photos i’m referring to are on p570-571 and depict him prior to the pic of him aged 16 where he has what i consider an already sound muscular base. All that i’m saying is if you look at these photos in particular he does not appear to have great genetics considering that i know many 14 year old lads that do not train and despite this exhibit greater muscular mass.

Anyway, i’m off as this topic seems to be dragging on despite the fact that it already appears there are clearly many differing points of view. Accept this and move on. Were you to refer to these specific photos, i’d hope you could see where i was coming from.

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[quote]harris447 wrote:
Wasn’t the rap on Flex that he was one of the laziest trainers out of all pro bb’ers?
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Good notation!

Apparently yes, and to be honest, he didn’t necessarly have to train extreme with every workout, to those who may assume things by pictures of bodybuilders at age 13, Arnold and especially Flex Wheeler are genetic freaks, and make no mistake about it.

I have to say, people want to easily dismiss genetics around here almost irrationally. Sure, those who talk about genetics may use it as an excuse, but those who try to prove genetics mean nothing and “hiss” at it being brought up are trying to make themselves feel better, are trying to bring these guys down to their comfort level. Give me a break, not everything in life and for sure in nature is about “just working hard and anything can be yours you can be huge!”

If this were so, wouldn’t many guys who desire to be Ronnie Coleman’s size, be walking around at his size, and don’t use AAS as a buffer, there are thousands of guys who take steroids and don’t even look near as good as the lowest ranked professional bodybuilder, most of them look fairly average for a experienced lifter.

This is getting ridiculous.

  • Arnold had fantastic genetics, and great aesthetics.

  • Genetics do matter, working hard is a merit, but don’t be naive, genetics are your building blocks and do affect what you can achieve at the upper limits.

  • Bodybuilders do work very hard but all have great genetics for muscle mass, but not always aesthetics.

  • Frank Zane did not have average genetics.

Your genetics are the blueprint for your endocrine/hormonal workings, right? So can a woman get jacked like a guy without loads of exogenous testosterone being injected, and the loss of her breasts? No. So I wouldn’t tell a woman “Hey just train your ass off fuck genetics you can weigh 280 lbs!” It’s great to strive for more and to be optimistic but don’t try to conform the facts of life to meet your sanity level.

Just about anyone can acquire a decent physique and most importantly be healthy, isn’t that what matters the most?

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[quote]Go heavy fool wrote:

point was that genetics don’t matter and are pointless, genetics never got in any champions way before. genetics only seem to get in the way of the person that will never be a champion.

i brought this up , because i had a debate on another site about certain races being geneticly more intelligent than other races. once again one of the most rediculous insults or excuse i’ve ever heard for being intelligent.

weak individuals will get defined by their genetics…but to define your genetics takes a strong individual - Go heavy fool[/quote]

Well, race debates online are usually bigot riots and pointless, and those discussing the links of phenotype and intelligence usually have no background or knowledge in what they are speaking of.

Weak individuals? My mother had asthma as a child and I had it until I turned 19. That doesn’t make you weak and trying to go against it is a great way to pass the fuck out, lol. But I do agree with you, its best to make do with what you have, by running and doing cardiovascular work, I could limit the severity until I lost it all together.

As another aside, people think because Markus Rhul or Flex Wheeler were average or skinny as children and young adults this somehow means they have average genetics? You don’t have to be born a run-of-the-mill mesomorph to have great genetics for muscle building.

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[quote]Go heavy fool wrote:
lol

i love these examples.

how many musicians are in this percentile of geneticly giften performing mozart style peoces at age 3.

from the last time i checked, the average musician looks like they smoked about 2000 lbs of pot throughout their lifetime. can barely reme,ber their own birthday. and have not bit of musical knowledge other than a power cord.

i love these samples.

if you want to play guitar or play in a band. hit me up. i can teach you regardless of how uncoordianted you may think you are. You don’t need to play Satriani. I’m sure i you could manage with some practice.

musical talant… term should be used lightly

first of ALL…the greatest musicians in the word dont understand music at all. they play by ear and can hear the music. its called imagination. “Jimmy Hendrix” is considered one of the best guitarist of all time and barely new what chord he was playing half of the time.

Eric Clapton is another is can play beautiful sounding music and doent do much on the guitar besides play in the pentatonic scale. The blues scale eric plays in is an easy concept but his tone and sound are in his fingers. requires no genetic talant at all. that requires imagination and duplication. “You have to hear the music inside your head and put it down on the guitar”

i could go on forever but the average guitarist in the most popular bands of today do none other than use a 2 finger power chord and slide in 3 to 4 different positions to make the rhythm of a top selling song. You do not need any bit of genetic gift to be able to play the guitar.

It requires more determination by practicing your instrument and imagination of duplicating what you hear in your head than any amount of hand eye or finger speed coordination. I have several freinds in bands. and play in a few myself, requires no genetic talant whatsoever. requires alot of practice or imagination.

any fool can read a peice of paper and play someone elses music. only the best will produce the songs themselves and put it down on their instrument.

“imagination is more important than knowledge” - Einstein[/quote]

I just love it how you prove everyone else’s points in your points while thinking you’re proving you own.

If you already chose to mention Mozart, you know how old he was when he wrote his first opera? Six years old. I’m sure the years and years of practice he had at that age enabled him to write it and it had nothing to do with genetics.

Also, you mention Hendrix and say he does everything by “imagination”. Ever heard the name Shakespeare? That man had one of the greatest imaginations in the history of mankind. But for some reason, he couldn’t play an instrument. And there are many modern fiction writers with great imaginations that can’t either. And those friends of yours that play in bands? I’m sure that they have great immaginations, but I’m also sure that I’ve never heard of any of them. They will never reach Hendrix’s level.

Genetics will not keep you from building a great body. They are not a reason for being overweight and unable to walk ten steps without breathing hard and not benching more than 50 pounds. However, if you don’t have the genetics, you will never beat the 100m sprint record, run a marathon in less than 2:30 hours, or be Mr. Olympia.

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[quote]EmperialChina wrote:
harris447 wrote:
Wasn’t the rap on Flex that he was one of the laziest trainers out of all pro bb’ers?

Good notation!

Apparently yes, and to be honest, he didn’t necessarly have to train extreme with every workout, to those who may assume things by pictures of bodybuilders at age 13, Arnold and especially Flex Wheeler are genetic freaks, and make no mistake about it.

I have to say, people want to easily dismiss genetics around here almost irrationally. Sure, those who talk about genetics may use it as an excuse, but those who try to prove genetics mean nothing and “hiss” at it being brought up are trying to make themselves feel better, are trying to bring these guys down to their comfort level. Give me a break, not everything in life and for sure in nature is about “just working hard and anything can be yours you can be huge!”

If this were so, wouldn’t many guys who desire to be Ronnie Coleman’s size, be walking around at his size, and don’t use AAS as a buffer, there are thousands of guys who take steroids and don’t even look near as good as the lowest ranked professional bodybuilder, most of them look fairly average for a experienced lifter.

This is getting ridiculous.

  • Arnold had fantastic genetics, and great aesthetics.

  • Genetics do matter, working hard is a merit, but don’t be naive, genetics are your building blocks and do affect what you can achieve at the upper limits.

  • Bodybuilders do work very hard but all have great genetics for muscle mass, but not always aesthetics.

  • Frank Zane did not have average genetics.

Your genetics are the blueprint for your endocrine/hormonal workings, right? So can a woman get jacked like a guy without loads of exogenous testosterone being injected, and the loss of her breasts? No. So I wouldn’t tell a woman “Hey just train your ass off fuck genetics you can weigh 280 lbs!” It’s great to strive for more and to be optimistic but don’t try to conform the facts of life to meet your sanity level.

Just about anyone can acquire a decent physique and most importantly be healthy, isn’t that what matters the most?
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you are the only poster that completely missed the point of this thread.

nobody here is talking about size. You are also the first one comparing women to men now.

for some review:

  • determination will determine how far you go in bodybuilding, rather than genetics, genetics will play a much smaller role in your quest

  • when talking about “genetics”… there is no set of rules…who made the rules? YOU? this is a very subjective subject, whose is to say whose are good and whose are bad… the subject of good or bad genetics is pointless in the first place and is an opinion of the viewer and thats the subjective part, therefore they don’t matter. which is better?.. long arms or shorter arms, bigger legs or bigger arms… i havn’t heard one person this whole time tell me why someone’s genetics are better than someone elses.

  • when did comparing physiology of 2 different individuals, let alone males and females make a difference to your own progress. In that case. Arnold could never be better than Ronnie because Ronnie has better legs. And Ronnie could never be better than Arnold because Arnold has bigger Biceps. You make absolutly no sense comparing the sizes. All physiques are different sizes. Its the whole physique that matters. Just cause a woman doesnt gain as much muscle as a man doesnt mean she has to. All she has to do is beat the other women. Your thinking like a nutt now. why don’t i just try to weigh 2,000 lbs of solid muscle according to you. I look at whats been done before. Therefore somewhere within or around that realm of possibilty and achievement.

when talking about determination. Its more of an individual thing, rather than a comparison thing. Thats the problem with “genetic thinkers”, they spend so much time worring about what someone else has and not ever realizing their own genetic potential because they all ready determined that its inferior.

  • for those of you who feel superior, average or inferior on a subjective subject like “genetics”… lets just say …i feel sorry for you.
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[quote]Go heavy fool wrote:
you can try to manipulate my thoughts in the next thread
this one is boring me to death…it was ok when there was something to view as in “Determination Vs Genetics”

I’m out
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[quote]Robert P. wrote:
Go heavy fool wrote:
lol

i love these examples.

how many musicians are in this percentile of geneticly giften performing mozart style peoces at age 3.

from the last time i checked, the average musician looks like they smoked about 2000 lbs of pot throughout their lifetime. can barely reme,ber their own birthday. and have not bit of musical knowledge other than a power cord.

i love these samples.

if you want to play guitar or play in a band. hit me up. i can teach you regardless of how uncoordianted you may think you are. You don’t need to play Satriani. I’m sure i you could manage with some practice.

musical talant… term should be used lightly

first of ALL…the greatest musicians in the word dont understand music at all. they play by ear and can hear the music. its called imagination. “Jimmy Hendrix” is considered one of the best guitarist of all time and barely new what chord he was playing half of the time.

Eric Clapton is another is can play beautiful sounding music and doent do much on the guitar besides play in the pentatonic scale. The blues scale eric plays in is an easy concept but his tone and sound are in his fingers. requires no genetic talant at all. that requires imagination and duplication. “You have to hear the music inside your head and put it down on the guitar”

i could go on forever but the average guitarist in the most popular bands of today do none other than use a 2 finger power chord and slide in 3 to 4 different positions to make the rhythm of a top selling song. You do not need any bit of genetic gift to be able to play the guitar.

It requires more determination by practicing your instrument and imagination of duplicating what you hear in your head than any amount of hand eye or finger speed coordination. I have several freinds in bands. and play in a few myself, requires no genetic talant whatsoever. requires alot of practice or imagination.

any fool can read a peice of paper and play someone elses music. only the best will produce the songs themselves and put it down on their instrument.

“imagination is more important than knowledge” - Einstein

I just love it how you prove everyone else’s points in your points while thinking you’re proving you own.

If you already chose to mention Mozart, you know how old he was when he wrote his first opera? Six years old. I’m sure the years and years of practice he had at that age enabled him to write it and it had nothing to do with genetics.

Also, you mention Hendrix and say he does everything by “imagination”. Ever heard the name Shakespeare? That man had one of the greatest imaginations in the history of mankind. But for some reason, he couldn’t play an instrument. And there are many modern fiction writers with great imaginations that can’t either. And those friends of yours that play in bands? I’m sure that they have great immaginations, but I’m also sure that I’ve never heard of any of them. They will never reach Hendrix’s level.

Genetics will not keep you from building a great body. They are not a reason for being overweight and unable to walk ten steps without breathing hard and not benching more than 50 pounds. However, if you don’t have the genetics, you will never beat the 100m sprint record, run a marathon in less than 2:30 hours, or be Mr. Olympia.

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another poster that completely missed the point

1-i could care less to prove myself right or anyone else wrong

2- your smaples that you guys are taking are meaningless

3- the samples are so small compared to the masses, and you want to use that as your basis for “you need to be geneticly gifted to play guitar or instruments”…LMAO, how many people are in that catagory? and what is the % of the musicians that would be considered genius or prodigy or geneticly gifted musicians, it is so minute that it wound’t make a dent of difference in the real world of someone worry about whether their genetics are good enough to play

4- stay on subject, these are boring topics, i’d rather play my guitar than explain to you how to play it and the level of talent you need to perform…or the genetics required to play the instrument…basicly about 10 fingers and 2 hands and 2 arms and an active immagination are about all you need to play…nothing special

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[quote]EmperialChina wrote:
Go heavy fool wrote:
you can try to manipulate my thoughts in the next thread
this one is boring me to death…it was ok when there was something to view as in “Determination Vs Genetics”

I’m out

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if you want to argue, why would you choose to converse me…you can’t win or lose
i already told everyone in my previous statements that I accpt everyones view and they are all logical. i already stated that i am not changing my mind on the possibily of someone with the odds stacked against them ever conquering their deficits. i believe in possibility no matter what the climb or obstacle. The only thing some of my readers seem to believe in is agreeing or disagreeing according to the masses. not much belief even in their own statements. thats ashame. i would hate for the trend to next follow a slim 120 lb guy now has perfect genetics. this forum would be in trouble.because they actuallky believe this horsh shit. subjectivity is something a weak person will not conquer. but they will hinder on it until the subject changes for their benefit.

in other words, most of you don’t even do your own thinking. you just huddle with the masses and decide that whatever they say must be right, because so many of them believe it

“the bigger the lie, the more that people will believe it” - Adolph Hitler

if you really believe that you are geneticly inferior or superior to someone else, you should probably just kill yourself right now. because there can only be one winner. the other 3 trillion people on earth have no chance

i love the way you guys think, it intrigues me.

for the rest of you that were told that your genetics are no good, just remember this… when ever you are the best at whatever it is you do and you did beat the odds or the doubters… remember this thread.

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You’re preaching too much. Just shut up now.