Are PL'ers Triceps Stronger Than Their Pecs?

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Here’s somthing I’d posted already in another form, a state champion bencher getting 100% increase from gear. I’m not going to argue with you Strength Dawg, (your one of my favorite poster’s) and you may have different expieance than others. I enjoy watching both sports, but they’re completely different animals, and there are guy that can do both, and the sport is taking a good turn, but I’ve seen world class lifter’s that sure don’t look like athlete’s, or strong to me.

This dosn’t happen in the raw side, and it’s confusing to beginer’s, thats the point I was trying to make. I see kids in my gym, can’t press 225 yet, but they’re doing 3 board presses, and reverse band bench presses. This stuff is keeping them weak, and wasting they’re time in the gym. Better off training the real bench - delts - chest - tris, getting strong, getting big, and not being misslead. Jay Nara - Dan Green - Big Stan, these guys don’t waste time on that crap. I just wish it wasn’t so confusing for the beginer’s, thats all.
The guy below holds a state record, this is a quots from an article he wrote;

PLer wrote
Four years ago in April of 2007, I performed my first 500 lbs bench at the AAPF Nationals in Monroe, LA. I had worked for almost 2 years to finally break the 500 barrier. After that meet, I assumed that 600 would not be that difficult to get to.

After much trial and error, jumping from program to program, trying more bench shirts than one man should, and 4 very long years, I finally achieved a goal that I set for myself when I first started competing in 2001: the 600 bench. I lifted it on my 4th attempt at the APA Bench Press Nationals on February 26thof this year. What follows are 3 things that helped me bench 600.

Raw bench work has always been hard of me. I am not a great raw bencher (My best raw is 308 in a meet. My best gym raw bench is 335.), so I have to find ways to lift heaver weights raw in order to get good carryover for my shirt work.

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[quote]MightyMouse17 wrote:

Quick derail but you must tell us who that woman in your avatar is!
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I’ve watched it all the way thru at least 5 times…

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[quote]AnytimeJake wrote:
Here’s somthing I’d posted already in another form, a state champion bencher getting 100% increase from gear. I’m not going to argue with you Strength Dawg, (your one of my favorite poster’s) and you may have different expieance than others. I enjoy watching both sports, but they’re completely different animals, and there are guy that can do both, and the sport is taking a good turn, but I’ve seen world class lifter’s that sure don’t look like athlete’s, or strong to me.

This dosn’t happen in the raw side, and it’s confusing to beginer’s, thats the point I was trying to make. I see kids in my gym, can’t press 225 yet, but they’re doing 3 board presses, and reverse band bench presses. This stuff is keeping them weak, and wasting they’re time in the gym. Better off training the real bench - delts - chest - tris, getting strong, getting big, and not being misslead. Jay Nara - Dan Green - Big Stan, these guys don’t waste time on that crap. I just wish it wasn’t so confusing for the beginer’s, thats all.
The guy below holds a state record, this is a quots from an article he wrote;

PLer wrote
Four years ago in April of 2007, I performed my first 500 lbs bench at the AAPF Nationals in Monroe, LA. I had worked for almost 2 years to finally break the 500 barrier. After that meet, I assumed that 600 would not be that difficult to get to.

After much trial and error, jumping from program to program, trying more bench shirts than one man should, and 4 very long years, I finally achieved a goal that I set for myself when I first started competing in 2001: the 600 bench. I lifted it on my 4th attempt at the APA Bench Press Nationals on February 26thof this year. What follows are 3 things that helped me bench 600.

Raw bench work has always been hard of me. I am not a great raw bencher (My best raw is 308 in a meet. My best gym raw bench is 335.), so I have to find ways to lift heaver weights raw in order to get good carryover for my shirt work.

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Well, I’m flattered that I am on you fav list :slight_smile: lol ha no offense taken dude. Yeah there are some serious gear whores and folks that get tremendous carryover from gear. Hell, my sorry ass was getting 150# ish. While a 395 raw bench @ 220# isn’t much to give a nod to, it took me years to get to that point and I fought for every damn pound of that. I also fought like a motherfucker to get that 550 shirted bench. At the time I was 60 / 40 with raw / geared benching. For me they both complimented each other. I never went doosh mode and told fuckers I bench 550. I always clarified between raw and shirted.

Yes there are fucktards in the gyms doing stupid stuff. Hell, there are tyoung guys everywhere doing stupid shit. Hell, look at the 5-3-1 threads on here. They have a fucking book to read about a stupid simple program and thousands of user replies on how to do it PLUS Jim, the author of the program and they still fuck it up! ha Like Ol Forrest Gump says, stupid is, as stupid does.

I know you are a coach and a gym owner so dumb gym shit prolly rubs you 10,000 kind of ways wrong. Me, I think it’s gym fodder. Something to get a chuckle over, plus being a selfish fucker, I like the gym rats “spinning their wheel” because it makes me, with 1/2 a clue, stay competitive with them. I like being the old fucker that schools the young bucks.

As far as who the chick is in tha avitar… that’s the next Mrs. StrengthDawg lol. I don’t really know, I totally stole it from a buddys avitar on a Spec ops / gun / training site I frequent when I’m not playing meat head here.

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Well we’ve taken this thread in a whole different direction, I’m to blame, combination of house arrest, and ADD, anyway, I’ve worked with a shit ton of kids over the years for athletics, and PLing. It bugs me because the line from no strength to double body weight squat, and dead, and 1, 1/2 body weight bench, is direct. Every kid I’ve trained can get there in under two years, unless they over complicate things.

I pound in to they’re heads, basic exercises, basic progression, straight line to goals listed above usually 400/300/450 Things start to slow down, or grind to a hault. Now you have all these tools you haven’t wasted yet, with training - bands, speed work, board work, geared lifting whatever. With sups, you can start playing around, mabey think aboput some secret sups, depending on where you want to go.

The point is I’ve seen when you bring this stuff in to early, you screw everything up, and never get anywhere, atleast not for long. Reverse band bench, board presses, when your at 185. When you first walk in a gym it’s all over whelming, so now that I’ve completely fucked up this thread, my work here is done. LOL

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you’re cool homie, keep on keeping on…

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So, if tricep prioritization is overblown, then did DeFranco make an exaggeration when he said that weak triceps= weak bench?

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No he is not wrong. Weak Triceps make a Bench Weak. So does a weak chest and so do weak shoulders. You need them all man.

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[quote]Bull_Scientist wrote:
So, if tricep prioritization is overblown, then did DeFranco make an exaggeration when he said that weak triceps= weak bench?[/quote]

Nope.

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Sorry to bump this thread, but I lately read one of DeFranco’s q&a’s on his website on how to improve your bench press significantly, and the person asking one of the questions says that he read in one of DeFranco’s posts where DeFranco said that the NUMBER ONE muscle to get strong for bench-pressing heavy weights is the triceps. I know that you guys already told me that the pecs and shoulders are the name of the game in raw benching and I believe that, but does DeFranco say that the triceps are most the important muscle to work on for benching because he has noticed that the triceps usually are the most limiting factor in being able to bench heavy?

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DeFranco regurgitates a lot of westside information, which has limited application to raw lifting most of the time

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[quote]Bull_Scientist wrote:
Sorry to bump this thread, but I lately read one of DeFranco’s q&a’s on his website on how to improve your bench press significantly, and the person asking one of the questions says that he read in one of DeFranco’s posts where DeFranco said that the NUMBER ONE muscle to get strong for bench-pressing heavy weights is the triceps. I know that you guys already told me that the pecs and shoulders are the name of the game in raw benching and I believe that, but does DeFranco say that the triceps are most the important muscle to work on for benching because he has noticed that the triceps usually are the most limiting factor in being able to bench heavy? [/quote]

JESUS CHRIST BS!!! Triceps are important just as important as shoulder, pecs, lats,every damn thing. For fuck sakes man get them all fucking strong be a fucking animal from head to fucking toe and toe and you will be a strong bencher. Get under a damn bar a get off the internet and stop thinking for 5 fucking mins and just push.

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[quote]Reed wrote:

[quote]Bull_Scientist wrote:
Sorry to bump this thread, but I lately read one of DeFranco’s q&a’s on his website on how to improve your bench press significantly, and the person asking one of the questions says that he read in one of DeFranco’s posts where DeFranco said that the NUMBER ONE muscle to get strong for bench-pressing heavy weights is the triceps. I know that you guys already told me that the pecs and shoulders are the name of the game in raw benching and I believe that, but does DeFranco say that the triceps are most the important muscle to work on for benching because he has noticed that the triceps usually are the most limiting factor in being able to bench heavy? [/quote]

JESUS CHRIST BS!!! Triceps are important just as important as shoulder, pecs, lats,every damn thing. For fuck sakes man get them all fucking strong be a fucking animal from head to fucking toe and toe and you will be a strong bencher. Get under a damn bar a get off the internet and stop thinking for 5 fucking mins and just push.[/quote]

dont be ridiculous. it cant be that simple. you mean you DONT use flow charts calculated by your biorythm calibrated by the earth’s rotational pull at each hour?

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I think it depends on the person, and on the build, regarding raw benching. I personaly have strong tri’s, and a dominate chest, making my delts the weak link in my bench, targeting my delts, makes my bench go up. I’ve worked with kids that had weak tri’s, and failed on lockout, and I’ve worked with kids that had dominate shoulder’s, and benifited from strengthing they’re chest’s.

I think for raw benching, and lifting in general, your only as strong as your weakest link, for shirted bencher’s this seems to be tri’s the majority of the time, but for raw lifter’s it can vary from lifter to lifter. Find your weak link, and make it stronger, would be a good rule for all !

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I hadn’t read Reed’s post when I posted the above post. haha, AWESOME !, and well said

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I would say that I am an above average bencher (over 2x body weight). I also would say that I have a unique perspective on the bench press. I’ve added more strength than anyone I know on the bench and at a faster rate. Do I think that this is because I have done some sort of special work out that no on else has? No. The fact is that some people are just better pressers than others. It just so happens that tricep strength is what makes me strong. How do I know this? Its easy. My pecs are weak and my shoulders are weak (comparatively). My triceps are really strong. Within 5 months Ive gained almost 40lbs on my Military Press (235). Has this translated into an even better bench? No.

I’ve also added a decent amount of pec size. Has this translated into a better bench? No. I guess my point is that what is good for the goose aint necessarily good for gander. Find what works for you and stick with it. Develop your whole body and forget about what others are doing.

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[quote]Paul33 wrote:

[quote]Reed wrote:

[quote]Bull_Scientist wrote:
Sorry to bump this thread, but I lately read one of DeFranco’s q&a’s on his website on how to improve your bench press significantly, and the person asking one of the questions says that he read in one of DeFranco’s posts where DeFranco said that the NUMBER ONE muscle to get strong for bench-pressing heavy weights is the triceps. I know that you guys already told me that the pecs and shoulders are the name of the game in raw benching and I believe that, but does DeFranco say that the triceps are most the important muscle to work on for benching because he has noticed that the triceps usually are the most limiting factor in being able to bench heavy? [/quote]

JESUS CHRIST BS!!! Triceps are important just as important as shoulder, pecs, lats,every damn thing. For fuck sakes man get them all fucking strong be a fucking animal from head to fucking toe and toe and you will be a strong bencher. Get under a damn bar a get off the internet and stop thinking for 5 fucking mins and just push.[/quote]

dont be ridiculous. it cant be that simple. you mean you DONT use flow charts calculated by your biorythm calibrated by the earth’s rotational pull at each hour?
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Only during deload weeks and only if said deload week falls under a new moon… Unless of course ita a solar eclipse in which case I don’t train at all. You know cause all the strong gods are like no dont lift its night time still that’s why we blocked out the sun so you could get extra rest hours in.

But seriously a very specific completely over thought program is great all seriously it looks amazing wrote down on paper with all those fancy letters and cool words like Reverse Band, Overload, Supra Max, Beast Mode, AMRAP, and all that shot that BS just can’t block out of his head. But if you don’t stop analyzing every fucking detail and eventually grab your sack or muff mound for the ladies and fucking lift… Your just going to be Bull Scientist… your just going to remain a skinny weak guy who has a cool piece of paper and annoys me on the only decent lifting forum left on the entire world wide web.

PS yes I know I didn’t use any where near the amounts of commas, periods, or sentence breaks but, damnit this is what happens when I read this thread.

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[quote]Chicksan wrote:
My bench was stahled for roughly a year before I made some changes. I finally started hitting some PR’s again when I simply started benching more. Normal bench for 3’s and 5’s, close grips, wide grip, paused and touch n’ go. I got away from all the other main movements that trained the bench and just benched. [/quote]

This was pretty much me too, I got no where with all my accessory work and just started pressing more. Theres no substitute for flat out more reps and sets.

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[quote]Reed wrote:

[quote]Paul33 wrote:

[quote]Reed wrote:

[quote]Bull_Scientist wrote:
Sorry to bump this thread, but I lately read one of DeFranco’s q&a’s on his website on how to improve your bench press significantly, and the person asking one of the questions says that he read in one of DeFranco’s posts where DeFranco said that the NUMBER ONE muscle to get strong for bench-pressing heavy weights is the triceps. I know that you guys already told me that the pecs and shoulders are the name of the game in raw benching and I believe that, but does DeFranco say that the triceps are most the important muscle to work on for benching because he has noticed that the triceps usually are the most limiting factor in being able to bench heavy? [/quote]

JESUS CHRIST BS!!! Triceps are important just as important as shoulder, pecs, lats,every damn thing. For fuck sakes man get them all fucking strong be a fucking animal from head to fucking toe and toe and you will be a strong bencher. Get under a damn bar a get off the internet and stop thinking for 5 fucking mins and just push.[/quote]

dont be ridiculous. it cant be that simple. you mean you DONT use flow charts calculated by your biorythm calibrated by the earth’s rotational pull at each hour?
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Only during deload weeks and only if said deload week falls under a new moon… Unless of course ita a solar eclipse in which case I don’t train at all. You know cause all the strong gods are like no dont lift its night time still that’s why we blocked out the sun so you could get extra rest hours in.

But seriously a very specific completely over thought program is great all seriously it looks amazing wrote down on paper with all those fancy letters and cool words like Reverse Band, Overload, Supra Max, Beast Mode, AMRAP, and all that shot that BS just can’t block out of his head. But if you don’t stop analyzing every fucking detail and eventually grab your sack or muff mound for the ladies and fucking lift… Your just going to be Bull Scientist… your just going to remain a skinny weak guy who has a cool piece of paper and annoys me on the only decent lifting forum left on the entire world wide web.

PS yes I know I didn’t use any where near the amounts of commas, periods, or sentence breaks but, damnit this is what happens when I read this thread.[/quote]

You know, I have been very consistent with doing my upper body routines for over 3 months now and as of last week I started to add an additonal leg day session to my workout program. So what’s wrong with that?

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[quote]Bull_Scientist wrote:

You know, I have been very consistent with doing my upper body routines for over 3 months now and as of last week I started to add an additonal leg day session to my workout program. So what’s wrong with that?
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I’m pretty sure no one here said there was a problem with being consistent over 3 months, or adding a leg day. So that makes your question pretty strange. If what you’re ACTUALLY asking is “why do people keep giving me shit for my questions/comments”, it’s because you ask the same inane stuff over and over again.

You over think things, particularly at your strength level. And you don’t come across as someone who’s really putting in the effort. So you’ve put in 3 good months? You’ve been posting here for years. What does that say about your effort?

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[quote]flipcollar wrote:

[quote]Bull_Scientist wrote:

You know, I have been very consistent with doing my upper body routines for over 3 months now and as of last week I started to add an additonal leg day session to my workout program. So what’s wrong with that?
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I’m pretty sure no one here said there was a problem with being consistent over 3 months, or adding a leg day. So that makes your question pretty strange. If what you’re ACTUALLY asking is “why do people keep giving me shit for my questions/comments”, it’s because you ask the same inane stuff over and over again.

You over think things, particularly at your strength level. And you don’t come across as someone who’s really putting in the effort. So you’ve put in 3 good months? You’ve been posting here for years. What does that say about your effort?[/quote]

Thank you glad to know its not just me