So although it does have carbs, I think the protein and fibre content (plus the protein you would eat it with) would blunt the insulin spike, even if there were one (which I don’t think there is with beans).
So…If you’re being very anal with your nutrition (and following Dr Berardi’s carb timing recommendations), would you eat beans at night, or would you leave them for post workout only?
And what about chick peas?
Please post your thoughts and recommendations for meals with beans/chick peas.
My first attempt to “bulk” years ago an as a poor college student I used them as a cheap source of carbs.(beans & milk) Literally 250+ carb gr. of my diet was Beans.Black/Kidney Beans. If anyhting you know your getting your fiber.
Also don’t know if the beans had anything to do w/ it, or being a newb, but that was the leanest bulk I was ever on.
[quote]Luxberry wrote:
Well it says carbs so I’m assuming it has CARBS. [/quote]
Yeah, I know they have carbs, but given their protein/fibre content (though the protein isn’t complete), I’ve never quite known how to classify them.
Doesn’t the protein in a carb+protein meal slow down the digestion of the carbs, thus slowing down the secretion of insulin? That’s what I meant by “blunt”.
[quote]Miserere wrote:
Luxberry wrote:
Well it says carbs so I’m assuming it has CARBS.
Yeah, I know they have carbs, but given their protein/fibre content (though the protein isn’t complete), I’ve never quite known how to classify them.
Protein doesn’t blunt insulin.
Doesn’t the protein in a carb+protein meal slow down the digestion of the carbs, thus slowing down the secretion of insulin? That’s what I meant by “blunt”.[/quote]
yes its a carb source and yes a lower/moderate GI one add rice to that meal and you have a complete protein source as well and more carbs
Beans are an awesome food. The only problem with them is the very high sodium content which can be lowered by soaking the beans in water for a few hours then rinsing them. They are very low on the G.I scale so they make an ideal carb source anytime including the PWO meal following the PWO shake.
Whoever said they don’t lower the secretion of insulin is wrong. The G.I is based on those foods alone being consumed on a fasting stomach for 8 hours. If you mix and match protein/fats/fiber you can basically throw the G.I out the window. So if you had 100 grams of dextrose and a can of black beans you’d get much less of an insulin response than say the dextrose alone.
Miserere, some foods are a combination of the three macronutrients. Peanuts are a legume that contain fat and protein and carbs. Broccoli has a little protein in it. Cottage cheese has protein, fat and carbs. So even though we might think of foods as falling into just ONE of the macornutrient categories, there are often contributions by the others.
Personally, I think of them as a carb that’s high in fiber and that comes with a little extra protein (and fat, actually). It has so many health benefits to it, that I care more that people consume them than if they’re combining their food properly.
So why do you ask? Are you trying to figure out where to fit it in, or are you doing the Velocity or Anabolic Diet?
Wow…the famous Tampa-Terry answering my questions! Thanks!
I just came off the V-Diet, and yeah, was just wondering where to fit them in. I always have, but I just ate them during the day in my chili. Thing is, my wife loves black beans, so they’re available at the dinner table very often and I’m never quite sure if I should be eating them or not (because I try to stay away from carbs after 6pm).
So that’s it
[quote]Tampa-Terry wrote:
Miserere, some foods are a combination of the three macronutrients. Peanuts are a legume that contain fat and protein and carbs. Broccoli has a little protein in it. Cottage cheese has protein, fat and carbs. So even though we might think of foods as falling into just ONE of the macornutrient categories, there are often contributions by the others.
Personally, I think of them as a carb that’s high in fiber and that comes with a little extra protein (and fat, actually). It has so many health benefits to it, that I care more that people consume them than if they’re combining their food properly.
So why do you ask? Are you trying to figure out where to fit it in, or are you doing the Velocity or Anabolic Diet?[/quote]
There’s a difference between eating pizza as your last meal of the day and having a small, measured amount of bean with some veggies and protein. It’s not a starchy carb that spikes insulin.
Chicken with black beans and yellow rice, topped with some grated onions are a favorite PWO meal of mine. Tampa (the city, not me) is famous for their black beans. (grin)
[quote]Tampa-Terry wrote:
There’s a difference between eating pizza as your last meal of the day and having a small, measured amount of bean with some veggies and protein. It’s not a starchy carb that spikes insulin.
Chicken with black beans and yellow rice, topped with some grated onions are a favorite PWO meal of mine. Tampa (the city, not me) is famous for their black beans. (grin)[/quote]
You guys got to talkin’ bout peanuts and made me remember a question I’ve had in my mind all week. Based on the Berardi food timing theory, what would peanut-butter be considered? It has carbs (i believe 12/ 2 tbspns) but it also has fats and protein as well. I usually buy Power Butter with 30 g. protein instead of 8 too. Would peanut-butter whith another carb/protein source go against the timing regulations?
[quote]jh0303 wrote:
You guys got to talkin’ bout peanuts and made me remember a question I’ve had in my mind all week. Based on the Berardi food timing theory, what would peanut-butter be considered? It has carbs (i believe 12/ 2 tbspns) but it also has fats and protein as well. I usually buy Power Butter with 30 g. protein instead of 8 too. Would peanut-butter whith another carb/protein source go against the timing regulations?[/quote]
I think PB should go with P+F meals, not P+C. I’ve also heard that Power Butter is not worth the price and that it doesn’t have as much protein as they claim. Check out this thread:
[quote]Tampa-Terry wrote:
There’s a difference between eating pizza as your last meal of the day and having a small, measured amount of bean with some veggies and protein. It’s not a starchy carb that spikes insulin.[/quote]
Yeah, I can just about see the difference there
Chicken, veggies, beans and rice are what’s around for dinner most often; I have just usually stayed away from the rice and beans. I think I’ll be adding some beans from now on.
jh0303, I’m with Miserere on using peanut butter in my P+F meals. When Berardi was asked about how many grams of carbs to allow yourself in a P+F meal or how many grams of fat in a P+C meal, he said,
< 10g of carbs in P+F
< 5g of fat in P+C
I’d probably be more strict than that with fat in my PWO meal, and I’d probably be more lenient than than that (or even ignore it entirely) if we’re talking about fibrous green veggies in a P+F meal.
The above recommendations are general guidelines, not absolute numbers set in stone.
[quote]Kruiser wrote:
I always thought beans were a fruit…
A MUSICAL fruit![/quote]
Yes, but if you soak them over night, and better yet, if after you soak them, you throw out the water and let them germinate (sprout) for a day, they will not be MUSICAL.
[quote]APE. wrote:
My first attempt to “bulk” years ago an as a poor college student I used them as a cheap source of carbs.(beans & milk) Literally 250+ carb gr. of my diet was Beans.Black/Kidney Beans. If anyhting you know your getting your fiber.
Also don’t know if the beans had anything to do w/ it, or being a newb, but that was the leanest bulk I was ever on.[/quote]
i can attest to this.
beans work wonders for me. i usually cook a cock pot full of them on sunday and eat them through out the week. cheap, nutritious and easy.
a perfect food for college students imo. with a daily multi vitamin, you really can’t beat it.
[quote]Luxberry wrote:
Well it says carbs so I’m assuming it has CARBS.
Protein doesn’t blunt insulin. [/quote]
Carbohydrates are not the only thing that can spike insulin. In fact, protein can spike insulin. Whey protein powder can, and so can red meat, which is high on the insulin index.
beans should not be a problem. It would all depend on your goals really.
If you are trying to lean out hard then save them for PWO only. If your are just trying to maintain/slow gain/eat healthy etc then rock them for lunch and before 6pm (good rule BTW) But if you are trying to “get hyouge” then eat them at any and all times with a complementary protein source (uhh, dead animals work good).
And either eat canned or soak those boys for less massive clouds of anal stench roiling forth from thee ass.
