Anyone Into Crossfit?

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[quote]Affliction wrote:
Soccer players would not find CrossFit beneficial.

Soccer is about increasing speed at anaerobic threshold, much like a middle distance runner.

It is not a “mixed bag” metabolic demand of all energy systems like many think.

This data is from time motion studies done on AC Milan.

Again, CrossFit = jack of all trades, master of none.

If that gets you hard, Gi2eg, good for you. Don’t try to convert us.[/quote]

I don’t give half a shit if you slam your head in your car door 10 times on the hour and call that your training. Do what you want. I am only addressing the program and methodology itself, and how it can apply to athletes.

Let’s take a look at some things that a soccer player might have to do (usually while at an elevated heart rate. power and coordination performance in this state can be improved through training, by the way):

Kicking the ball
Sprinting 10-30 meters towards a loose ball (or the goal), often repeated after short rests
running up and down the field at 70% for 3-4 minutes (soccer players run many miles over an hour)
jumping for a header
muscling another player away from the ball (i realize soccer is not a contact sport but contact does indeed occur)

Do you honestly think that these are all the same quality of fitness?

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[quote]Bicep_craze wrote:
Cross Fit…uuuuh…why not do real weight training in the first place? I mean

Oh come on CrossFit is for woman. Real men lift weights and kick some arse. Seriously. Read the article Chris Shugart linked.

In my own mind Crossfit is ok if you can’t lift hardcore for some reason or another. Have you seen the inventor of crossfit?? Hes a friggin lard ass! Then again have you seen woman performing crossfit? Gesus christ wow. sexy sexy sexy.

Conclusion: Crossfit for fit woman. Bodybuilding/Powerlifting based workouts for real men. Simple. [/quote]

Hey I love to lift heavy shit as much as you do, and so do most people who train for the sport of CrossFit. And we do, a few times a week at max weight (and NOT in a circuit). Maximal effort method.

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[quote]robertorex wrote:
crossfit is unequivocally very good at making women hot. The average crossfit girl is leagues hotter than say, women who train strongman/powerlifting.

/end thread[/quote]

adjusted slightly and Agreed.

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Well uh, If you happy with your sport then it’s ok I guess. I mean If it’s ‘into you’ then it’s fine. Cool enough I guess.

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[quote]gi2eg wrote:
Affliction wrote:
Soccer players would not find CrossFit beneficial.

Soccer is about increasing speed at anaerobic threshold, much like a middle distance runner.

It is not a “mixed bag” metabolic demand of all energy systems like many think.

This data is from time motion studies done on AC Milan.

Again, CrossFit = jack of all trades, master of none.

If that gets you hard, Gi2eg, good for you. Don’t try to convert us.

I don’t give half a shit if you slam your head in your car door 10 times on the hour and call that your training. Do what you want. I am only addressing the program and methodology itself, and how it can apply to athletes.

Let’s take a look at some things that a soccer player might have to do (usually while at an elevated heart rate. power and coordination performance in this state can be improved through training, by the way):

Kicking the ball
Sprinting 10-30 meters towards a loose ball (or the goal), often repeated after short rests
running up and down the field at 70% for 3-4 minutes (soccer players run many miles over an hour)
jumping for a header
muscling another player away from the ball (i realize soccer is not a contact sport but contact does indeed occur)

Do you honestly think that these are all the same quality of fitness?[/quote]

Yes, I do. People, like you, make the wrong assumptions that all these abilities require you to seamlessly be able to flow from one energy system to the next and the body does, quite simply, NOT work like that.

Try again. I have time/motion analysis and heart rate data from elite European soccer clubs. I’m sorry. Go back to training housewives in New Jersey.

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Please share more of your wisdom and stop acting like the wizard of oz.

Instead of saying “I know this and you don’t!!! na na na!”, Maybe you should actually offer some information rather than try to keep this as a pissing match and not an exchange of ideas.

Do you think a 100m sprinter would excel in a one mile race?

Why or why not? Is it not true, in your opinion , that the body develops work capacity differently for different time domains and intensity of exercise/sport?

I am not being a smart-ass, its quite possible that you know something that hasn’t yet been made available to me.

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Conclusion: Crossfit for fit woman. Bodybuilding/Powerlifting based workouts for real men. Simple.

No sense aguing about that…not because it’s true necessarily, there’s just no point.

Live and learn.

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[quote]amphibian wrote:
Conclusion: Crossfit for fit woman. Bodybuilding/Powerlifting based workouts for real men. Simple.

No sense aguing about that…not because it’s true necessarily, there’s just no point.

Live and learn.[/quote]

thx bro

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[quote]gi2eg wrote:
Sneaky weasel wrote:
gi2eg wrote:
Being fit is being able to handle any task.
And to be able to complete a lot of work in a very short amount of time.

A strongman would probably get owned if he had to to pullups, a 3 mile, 400m, or 800m run, burpees, etc. Don’t get me wrong, he would dominate on certain things. And certain freaks probably COULD win. But the point is that the training is accessible to anyone, and it is a SPORT OF ITS OWN. If you want to compete in it, go for it. I don’t see any other competition better than the CrossFit games that prove an athlete is more fit all around. Hence deserving the title of most fit person in the world.

This is what’s obnoxious. Pulling shit out of a hat, pointing to some athlete who is legitimately elite in their sport and saying: “they can’t do this! I’m a better athlete than them!” Even if you don’t personally make these claims, I have seen them multiple times on the CF message boards. I remember a thread where a video of Reggie Bush going through some lateral speed drills was posted, and everyone was like, “well, what’s his Fran time?”

I heard a guy walking down my street saying something stupid this morning. Does that mean that everyone on my street is stupid?

Reggie Bush is an INSANELY good athlete. Anyone who would suggest otherwise is borderline retarded. He competes at an ELITE level. Again, CrossFit is not primarily designed to help an athlete compete at the highest level in a sport with very specific metabolic demands (like American football, although many soccer players would find CrossFit to be beneficial, if they manage fatigue/recovery properly).[/quote]

You are missing my point. It’s not about an isolated instance of stupidity–the program is effectively tautological. Fitness is defined in terms of performance on WODs, and WOD performance is presumed to equate to fitness. There are no real measures of “fitness” other than decreasing WOD times and occasionally increasing ME day weights. Fucking Glassman is on record in a CFJ article or interview saying that all the elite athletes who’ve come in to CF have had “gaping holes in their GPP.” What the fuck? Do you see how stupid it is to define fitness solely in terms of your own system? A year or two ago they quietly got rid of the 10 Dynamax qualities as their definition of fitness (which were pretty damn good) and replaced in with “work capacity over broad time and modal domains,” which is a circular definition if I’ve ever seen one.

If you are someone who just generally wants to “be in shape,” whatever that means, fine. But for ANY sport…yes, ANY sport at ANY level, a planned, periodized program that encompasses phases of GPP vs SPP, accumulation/intensification, and specifies periods of recovery/restoration is going to be more effective than a program that assumes that “well, I’m working really really hard, so I must be getting better at something.”

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There are also more people interested in doing stupid crash diets instead of intelligent, bodybuilding style eating, but that doesn’t mean crash diets are better.

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Usually you have to strong-arm the CrossFit army because when I challenge you, I am challenging your religion; that doesn’t really go over too well.

Why would I just pass on free information that I have worked hard to attain?

Of course a 100m sprinter would not excel in a mile race. Their training would reflect this. This is base-level understanding. Sprinters need alactic power. That’s it.

Middle distance runners need, again, max velocity at anaerobic threshold. Would you agree that a middle distance runner cannot spend the duration of his/her race in the anaerobic energy systems? Blood lactate makes this impossible. So they will, quite quickly, pass into aerobic energy systems - aerobic capacity and aerobic power should be trained at heart rates specific to the individual. Thus allowing for, again, max velocity at anaerobic threshold.

Soccer players need to be trained specific to their sport. CrossFit is not even close. Soccer players do not need max strength and they damn sure do not need anything above anaerobic threshold. The short sprints they will do very sparingly throughout the game are about 20-30m in length, on average, and will not tax the anaerobic energy systems.

In short, gi2eg: what you fail to understand, is that the only thing CrossFit makes you good at is, well, CrossFit. Yet people find this surprising. They even get mad when you tell them such.

For your research, start with Biochemical Monitoring of Sport Training by Viru.

Verkhoshansky’s Block Training for the Middle Distance Runner would be a great resource, as well.

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[quote]Sneaky weasel wrote:
Fucking Glassman is on record in a CFJ article or interview saying that all the elite athletes who’ve come in to CF have had “gaping holes in their GPP.” What the fuck? Do you see how stupid it is to define fitness solely in terms of your own system?[/quote] Finally, someone who gets it! God, Glassman is a moron. This is directly in line with my point that defining fitness in terms of your system, and then doing training that yields adaptations aimed at improving that same “fitness”, only gets you good at… (wait for it) YOUR SYSTEM! Holy shit, logic prevails!

[quote]
If you are someone who just generally wants to “be in shape,” whatever that means, fine. But for ANY sport…yes, ANY sport at ANY level, a planned, periodized program that encompasses phases of GPP vs SPP, accumulation/intensification, and specifies periods of recovery/restoration is going to be more effective than a program that assumes that “well, I’m working really really hard, so I must be getting better at something.”[/quote]
But… accumulation and intensification, high-low programming methodology, restoration modalities - THEY AREN’T NAMED AFTER GIRLS. Stand down, blasphemer! =]

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[quote]gi2eg wrote:
Sneaky weasel wrote:
gi2eg wrote:
Being fit is being able to handle any task.
And to be able to complete a lot of work in a very short amount of time.

A strongman would probably get owned if he had to to pullups, a 3 mile, 400m, or 800m run, burpees, etc. Don’t get me wrong, he would dominate on certain things. And certain freaks probably COULD win. But the point is that the training is accessible to anyone, and it is a SPORT OF ITS OWN. If you want to compete in it, go for it. I don’t see any other competition better than the CrossFit games that prove an athlete is more fit all around. Hence deserving the title of most fit person in the world.

This is what’s obnoxious. Pulling shit out of a hat, pointing to some athlete who is legitimately elite in their sport and saying: “they can’t do this! I’m a better athlete than them!” Even if you don’t personally make these claims, I have seen them multiple times on the CF message boards. I remember a thread where a video of Reggie Bush going through some lateral speed drills was posted, and everyone was like, “well, what’s his Fran time?”

I heard a guy walking down my street saying something stupid this morning. Does that mean that everyone on my street is stupid?

Reggie Bush is an INSANELY good athlete. Anyone who would suggest otherwise is borderline retarded. He competes at an ELITE level. Again, CrossFit is not primarily designed to help an athlete compete at the highest level in a sport with very specific metabolic demands (like American football, although many soccer players would find CrossFit to be beneficial, if they manage fatigue/recovery properly).[/quote]

You’re right. It’s for housewives. Can we stop this discussion now?

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[quote]gi2eg wrote:
Being fit is being able to handle any task.
And to be able to complete a lot of work in a very short amount of time.
[/quote]

That’s your definition, and what I would call being “generally fit”.

The word “fitness” doesn’t mean general physical fitness, but it implies it because of the way government policy groups and the military have formed physical fitness tests.

I am fit for powerlifting. I have mediocre or poor general physical fitness and I have terrible fitness for pole dancing.

It’s a construct that lacks any meaning without explicit definition.

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[quote]gi2eg wrote:
Dr. Manhattan wrote:
I don’t see any other competition better than the CrossFit games that prove an athlete is more fit all around. Hence deserving the title of most fit person in the world.

Decathlon. You lose.

Check the absolute strength or power level of the top level decathlon competitors, and try again.[/quote]

Seriously? Do you know what the decathlon is? The majority of the events are based on strength and power! Sub 10.5 100’s, 15+ shotputs, 5+ pole vaults, sub 50 400 times. I’m sorry, but you are talking out of your ass if you think they don’t have remarkable power levels and at least pretty impressive strength levels.

And they still run sub 5 miles.

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[quote]Westclock wrote:

Your not going to find much support for such things on this forum.

We are a closed off subculture, we all hate each other, bodybuilders, powerlifters, olympic lifters, strongmen, etc.

But we can all agree we hate crossfiters.[/quote]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA ~ This is an instant classic.

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[quote]Affliction wrote:

In short, gi2eg: what you fail to understand, is that the only thing CrossFit makes you good at is, well, CrossFit. Yet people find this surprising. They even get mad when you tell them such.

For your research, start with Biochemical Monitoring of Sport Training by Viru.

Verkhoshansky’s Block Training for the Middle Distance Runner would be a great resource, as well.

[/quote]

I agree and well said.

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[quote]gi2eg wrote:
Dr. Manhattan wrote:
I don’t see any other competition better than the CrossFit games that prove an athlete is more fit all around. Hence deserving the title of most fit person in the world.

Decathlon. You lose.

Check the absolute strength or power level of the top level decathlon competitors, and try again.[/quote]

Bryan Clay has never really tested his max but at 180 pounds he has benched 355, cleaned 335, and squatted 580. In Hungary their is an event where athletes try the events of other sports. The pole vaulters win this every year.

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[quote]Westclock wrote:
Crossfit is like Strongman training for pussies.
[/quote]

This made me spit some shake onto my monitor.

Westclock, you funny bastard.

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[quote]Justscrap wrote:
gi2eg wrote:
Dr. Manhattan wrote:
I don’t see any other competition better than the CrossFit games that prove an athlete is more fit all around. Hence deserving the title of most fit person in the world.

Decathlon. You lose.

Check the absolute strength or power level of the top level decathlon competitors, and try again.

Bryan Clay has never really tested his max but at 180 pounds he has benched 355, cleaned 335, and squatted 580. In Hungary their is an event where athletes try the events of other sports. The pole vaulters win this every year.[/quote]

If you think about this, it’s not really necessarily true that this makes pole vaulters the best athletes. Rather, it’s likely that the pole vaulters do very well in their own event, and are able to make a respectable showing in other events, but due to how ridiculously complex pole vaulting is, other athletes probably bomb out of the pole vault portion of the competition. Even if they beat the vaulters on most if not all of the other events, zeroes really add up when averaging out the highest performance.