[quote]amphibian wrote:
“I have been through MANY obstacle course”
Ever been on the O-Course on the SAS compound in Singapore? Fekking awesome.[/quote]
Missed that one so far. But since I live and work in Asia I may get the chance. Did most in WA State, GA, and NC.
“But since I live and work in Asia I may get the chance”
It was like the King’s Dominion of O-courses. Even their barracks were set up with climbing walls making up the exterior…great figured handholds too…in the shape of little dragons and such. Makes you feel like you’re in an Indiana Jones kinda movie climbing the walls of some sacred temple.
[quote]threewhitelights wrote:
Everytime this comes up, I’m amazed at how dumb people can be. It’s like reading youtube comments…
Crossfit is NOT designed for those looking to excel in a strength sport, so it’s stupid to keep saying “crossfitters aren’t as strong as…”
I train at a crossfit gym with multiple powerlifters and olympic lifters. None of them do crossfit for their workouts, unless it’s a supplement.
Bottom line, is its not a strength development program, it’s a metabolic conditioning program that includes some strength training. If this is what you’re after, then it’s a fine workout and the facilities are usually head and shoulders above a commercial gym (ours has bands, chains, safety bars, reverse hypers, bumper plates, cambered bar, texas pl bars, kettlebells, stones, etc).
However, if you want to compete in oly lifting, then DO AN OLY PROGRAM. [/quote]
Here’s the thing: I think most CFers are intelligent enough to realize the facts you’re stating, and that’s good, because they’re true. BUT, Glassman has done this bizarre thing where he’s effectively conflated Crossfit and fitness to a degree where you can’t separate them anymore, and all his definitions of fitness become circular, returning back to CF. He’s been making these weird, pseudo-calculus-based claims about rotating a curve on its axis and that being fitness…it’s gobbledegook, but there is a certain CF cohort that eats it the fuck up. No matter how insane an athlete is, if they don’t do CF, by definition they are “unfit.” Like I said, I did CF for a while, and got pretty good at it, but the claims the community makes are ABSURD.
Being fit is being able to handle any task.
And to be able to complete a lot of work in a very short amount of time.
A strongman would probably get owned if he had to to pullups, a 3 mile, 400m, or 800m run, burpees, etc. Don’t get me wrong, he would dominate on certain things. And certain freaks probably COULD win. But the point is that the training is accessible to anyone, and it is a SPORT OF ITS OWN. If you want to compete in it, go for it. I don’t see any other competition better than the CrossFit games that prove an athlete is more fit all around. Hence deserving the title of most fit person in the world. And before people start bullshitting about Michael Phelps, Lebron James, blah blah, that is not the point. They specialize, and if they used CrossFit, they would be more fit all around. Come to think of it, Dana Torres (gold medal winner and one of the most muscular female swimmers at 41yo) used CrossFit training.
Being strong is a HUGE advantage for competing in CrossFit, and people that follow CrossFit have realized this. It is reflected in the program, as there is currently a trend towards more strength work on the main page workouts. Tons of CF trainers do additional strength work, too.
You guys see it as a cult, and I realize why you are turned off by it. But look past that (there are cults everywhere. Waterbury, Poliquin, anyone?). Look to the fundamental values of CrossFit. If you have a specific problem with what it claims, say it, instead of just bullshitting around your point. The CrossFit is “open source” in a sense and always changing based on feedback, progress, and results.
[quote]gi2eg wrote:
Being fit is being able to handle any task.
And to be able to complete a lot of work in a very short amount of time.
A strongman would probably get owned if he had to to pullups, a 3 mile, 400m, or 800m run, burpees, etc. Don’t get me wrong, he would dominate on certain things. And certain freaks probably COULD win. But the point is that the training is accessible to anyone, and it is a SPORT OF ITS OWN. If you want to compete in it, go for it. I don’t see any other competition better than the CrossFit games that prove an athlete is more fit all around. Hence deserving the title of most fit person in the world. And before people start bullshitting about Michael Phelps, Lebron James, blah blah, that is not the point. They specialize, and if they used CrossFit, they would be more fit all around. Come to think of it, Dana Torres (gold medal winner and one of the most muscular female swimmers at 41yo) used CrossFit training.
Being strong is a HUGE advantage for competing in CrossFit, and people that follow CrossFit have realized this. It is reflected in the program, as there is currently a trend towards more strength work on the main page workouts. Tons of CF trainers do additional strength work, too.
You guys see it as a cult, and I realize why you are turned off by it. But look past that (there are cults everywhere. Waterbury, Poliquin, anyone?). Look to the fundamental values of CrossFit. If you have a specific problem with what it claims, say it, instead of just bullshitting around your point. The CrossFit is “open source” in a sense and always changing based on feedback, progress, and results.[/quote]
You are posting this in a strength sports forum?
Dude come on. It would make more sense if you posted this in Beginners.
This forum is dominated by Strength Athletes who do not care about running or pullups. We do not care about endurance. We do not care about being fit. Hell we don’t even care about body composition. We only care about being the strongest people in the world.
Crossfit simply does not facilitate that need.
Read it again, we do not want to be above average strong. We want to be the strongest.
[quote]gi2eg wrote:
Being fit is being able to handle any task.
And to be able to complete a lot of work in a very short amount of time.
A strongman would probably get owned if he had to to pullups, a 3 mile, 400m, or 800m run, burpees, etc. Don’t get me wrong, he would dominate on certain things. And certain freaks probably COULD win. But the point is that the training is accessible to anyone, and it is a SPORT OF ITS OWN. If you want to compete in it, go for it. I don’t see any other competition better than the CrossFit games that prove an athlete is more fit all around. Hence deserving the title of most fit person in the world. [/quote]
This is what’s obnoxious. Pulling shit out of a hat, pointing to some athlete who is legitimately elite in their sport and saying: “they can’t do this! I’m a better athlete than them!” Even if you don’t personally make these claims, I have seen them multiple times on the CF message boards. I remember a thread where a video of Reggie Bush going through some lateral speed drills was posted, and everyone was like, “well, what’s his Fran time?”
[quote]gi2eg wrote:
Being fit is being able to handle any task.
And to be able to complete a lot of work in a very short amount of time.
A strongman would probably get owned if he had to to pullups, a 3 mile, 400m, or 800m run, burpees, etc. Don’t get me wrong, he would dominate on certain things. And certain freaks probably COULD win. But the point is that the training is accessible to anyone, and it is a SPORT OF ITS OWN.
If you want to compete in it, go for it. I don’t see any other competition better than the CrossFit games that prove an athlete is more fit all around. Hence deserving the title of most fit person in the world. And before people start bullshitting about Michael Phelps, Lebron James, blah blah, that is not the point.
They specialize, and if they used CrossFit, they would be more fit all around. Come to think of it, Dana Torres (gold medal winner and one of the most muscular female swimmers at 41yo) used CrossFit training.
Being strong is a HUGE advantage for competing in CrossFit, and people that follow CrossFit have realized this. It is reflected in the program, as there is currently a trend towards more strength work on the main page workouts. Tons of CF trainers do additional strength work, too.
You guys see it as a cult, and I realize why you are turned off by it. But look past that (there are cults everywhere. Waterbury, Poliquin, anyone?). Look to the fundamental values of CrossFit.
If you have a specific problem with what it claims, say it, instead of just bullshitting around your point. The CrossFit is “open source” in a sense and always changing based on feedback, progress, and results.[/quote]
Your not going to find much support for such things on this forum.
We are a closed off subculture, we all hate each other, bodybuilders, powerlifters, olympic lifters, strongmen, etc.
But we can all agree we hate crossfiters.
Decathlon. You lose.
They have a crossfit olympic lifting program? What a bunch of bullshit. Is there good parts about CF, sure. Is there a lot of ridiculous bullshit? Yes. Periodization? What’s that? Nah bro I am going to do my overhead lunges for distance and time! And after that I am going to do snatches to failure! FUCK On…
[quote]Dr. Manhattan wrote:
I don’t see any other competition better than the CrossFit games that prove an athlete is more fit all around. Hence deserving the title of most fit person in the world.
Decathlon. You lose.
[/quote]
and also pole vaulters
[quote]Dr. Manhattan wrote:
I don’t see any other competition better than the CrossFit games that prove an athlete is more fit all around. Hence deserving the title of most fit person in the world.
Decathlon. You lose.
[/quote]
Check the absolute strength or power level of the top level decathlon competitors, and try again.
[quote]hatesmiles wrote:
Dr. Manhattan wrote:
I don’t see any other competition better than the CrossFit games that prove an athlete is more fit all around. Hence deserving the title of most fit person in the world.
Decathlon. You lose.
and also pole vaulters[/quote]
Uh, pole vaulting is a VERY short event requiring VERY specific skills. Their coordination and power, however IS at the very top level (power relative to bodyweight).
[quote]Invictica wrote:
You are posting this in a strength sports forum?
Dude come on. It would make more sense if you posted this in Beginners.
This forum is dominated by Strength Athletes who do not care about running or pullups. We do not care about endurance. We do not care about being fit. Hell we don’t even care about body composition. We only care about being the strongest people in the world.
Crossfit simply does not facilitate that need.
Read it again, we do not want to be above average strong. We want to be the strongest.
[/quote]
I was actually addressing the OP. If the OP asked about a rowing program, instead of a program to build all around fitness, would your response be “the hell with rowing! that is not how you build maximum strength!!”
I agree that there should be a more suitable forum for topics pertaining to fitness (so we can leave this one to power lifting, strongman, and oly lifting only); alas, there is not.
[quote]Sneaky weasel wrote:
gi2eg wrote:
Being fit is being able to handle any task.
And to be able to complete a lot of work in a very short amount of time.
A strongman would probably get owned if he had to to pullups, a 3 mile, 400m, or 800m run, burpees, etc. Don’t get me wrong, he would dominate on certain things. And certain freaks probably COULD win. But the point is that the training is accessible to anyone, and it is a SPORT OF ITS OWN. If you want to compete in it, go for it. I don’t see any other competition better than the CrossFit games that prove an athlete is more fit all around. Hence deserving the title of most fit person in the world.
This is what’s obnoxious. Pulling shit out of a hat, pointing to some athlete who is legitimately elite in their sport and saying: “they can’t do this! I’m a better athlete than them!” Even if you don’t personally make these claims, I have seen them multiple times on the CF message boards. I remember a thread where a video of Reggie Bush going through some lateral speed drills was posted, and everyone was like, “well, what’s his Fran time?”[/quote]
I heard a guy walking down my street saying something stupid this morning. Does that mean that everyone on my street is stupid?
Reggie Bush is an INSANELY good athlete. Anyone who would suggest otherwise is borderline retarded. He competes at an ELITE level. Again, CrossFit is not primarily designed to help an athlete compete at the highest level in a sport with very specific metabolic demands (like American football, although many soccer players would find CrossFit to be beneficial, if they manage fatigue/recovery properly).
p.s. I bet Reggie Bush’s “Fran” time is in the top 2% of anyone who has ever tried it.
[quote]rasmussen wrote:
Want to know if anybody in here are into Cross Fit? or’ if somebody know anything about it? after some years away from martial arts (Muay Thai) I’m thinking about gettin back into it and maybe mix the martial art with some cross fit, both to get more strength training and to get more stretch training, but know so much about cross fit and can’t find any good sites, can some body in here help…??[/quote]
Du kan finde meget bedre træningsmetoder end CrossFit hvis du dyrker kampsport.
Prøv bare at læs nogle Alwyn Cosgrove artikler elller Chad Waterbury, det er deres område.
Soccer players would not find CrossFit beneficial.
Soccer is about increasing speed at anaerobic threshold, much like a middle distance runner.
It is not a “mixed bag” metabolic demand of all energy systems like many think.
This data is from time motion studies done on AC Milan.
Again, CrossFit = jack of all trades, master of none.
If that gets you hard, Gi2eg, good for you. Don’t try to convert us.
Cross Fit…uuuuh…why not do real weight training in the first place? I mean
Oh come on CrossFit is for woman. Real men lift weights and kick some arse. Seriously. Read the article Chris Shugart linked.
In my own mind Crossfit is ok if you can’t lift hardcore for some reason or another. Have you seen the inventor of crossfit?? Hes a friggin lard ass! Then again have you seen woman performing crossfit? Gesus christ wow. sexy sexy sexy.
Conclusion: Crossfit for fit woman. Bodybuilding/Powerlifting based workouts for real men. Simple.
There is one thing crossfit is unequivocally very good at: making women hot. The average crossfit girl is leagues hotter than say, women who train strongman/powerlifting.
/end thread
[quote]elih8er wrote:
They have a crossfit olympic lifting program? What a bunch of bullshit. Is there good parts about CF, sure. Is there a lot of ridiculous bullshit? Yes. Periodization? What’s that? Nah bro I am going to do my overhead lunges for distance and time! And after that I am going to do snatches to failure! FUCK On…[/quote]
Check out performance menu, its a hybrid program, focusing on the olympic lifts. And yes some people who are into CrossFit do compete in Oly lifting.
Are they in the Olympics? No.
But are you?
p.s. Learn more about the programming from the source, snatches are never to failure (although I have failed on a snatch double!). This shit is getting towards that childhood “whisper down the lane” game. Look it up yourself instead of quoting other people, shit gets muddied.