Any Late-Starter Boxers Here?

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[quote]cutthoat25 wrote:

[quote]law8 wrote:
Thanks for the replies guys.There are some really positive statements here.I wouldn’t even have started if I listened to a few ex guys who started at 10-14 saying that I’m wasting my time with starting boxing at 20.[/quote]

Those same guys who have been training since they were 10-14 years old are the ones Im beating in the State Tournament. And Like I stated before I’ve only been boxing for a Year w/ 6 fights compared to guys who have 50+ fights under their belt.[/quote]

i would love to hear about your experiences and what you think you do different that gives you an edge against more seasoned fighters.

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[quote]Mowgly wrote:

[quote]law8 wrote:

thats cool.I took a few muay thai classes and I really enjoyed it aswell.I wouldn’t mind pursuing that in a few years either.My leg flexibility is shockingly bad though ha.What ounce gloves do you use for muay thai?[/quote]

I use everlast protex 2. 14oz.

Guys at the gym use twins, raja, and other thai brands though. Those specifically made for muay thai. Most of them weighing 10oz. I didnt like the support (lack of, rather) around the wrists and muay thai gloves feel very… plasticy. Hard and fake like. I dont know, that’s how I’d describe them though. haha. So i went for everlast instead.

Im a pretty small guy, weighing around 150 at 5’7’. I find my gloves to be kinda heavy for long period of time, especially an hour of constant training. Are these too heavy for me? the 12oz were too tight. But i dont see the problem with muay thai gloves though. 10oz but they’re huge and sorta spacious on the inside. Doesnt fit as snuggly.

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Are you talking bag/pads?

Most “American Sized” people use 8oz and 10oz in MT competition, 16oz in sparring. In my experience MT guys tend to me more likely to showup to spar wearing 14 and 12oz gloves, which IMO is a dick move… in the US 16oz is the friendly sparring standard.

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[quote]Spartiates wrote:

Are you talking bag/pads?

Most “American Sized” people use 8oz and 10oz in MT competition, 16oz in sparring. In my experience MT guys tend to me more likely to showup to spar wearing 14 and 12oz gloves, which IMO is a dick move… in the US 16oz is the friendly sparring standard.
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bag/pads? i dont think i mentioned anything. where?

Im in Malaysia. Asian country. Thankfully not alot of people here are ‘american sized’. Id be a midget if amongst them. I didnt know people used way lighter gloves for competition, till even 8oz. Since I have only 1 pair of gloves so far, I’ll be using it for everything i guess, sparring, bag work, pads. Maybe borrow the gym’s gloves for competition if ever i join.

Btw, ive always wondered. Why spar with heavier gloves compared to competition? Someone told me it makes you faster when you start competiting with lighter gloves on, but I think it doesnt make THAT much difference.

Sorry if i sidetracked your thread op!

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[quote]Mowgly wrote:

[quote]Spartiates wrote:

Are you talking bag/pads?

Most “American Sized” people use 8oz and 10oz in MT competition, 16oz in sparring. In my experience MT guys tend to me more likely to showup to spar wearing 14 and 12oz gloves, which IMO is a dick move… in the US 16oz is the friendly sparring standard.
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bag/pads? i dont think i mentioned anything. where?

Im in Malaysia. Asian country. Thankfully not alot of people here are ‘american sized’. Id be a midget if amongst them. I didnt know people used way lighter gloves for competition, till even 8oz. Since I have only 1 pair of gloves so far, I’ll be using it for everything i guess, sparring, bag work, pads. Maybe borrow the gym’s gloves for competition if ever i join.

Btw, ive always wondered. Why spar with heavier gloves compared to competition? Someone told me it makes you faster when you start competiting with lighter gloves on, but I think it doesnt make THAT much difference.

Sorry if i sidetracked your thread op! [/quote]

You spar with larger gloves so you can spar harder (closer to, or at full speed/power) without hurting your training partners. Hence, the reason I called it a dick move when guys showup to spar with 14s or 12s so that their hands move a little faster and their punches sting more just by virtue of their glove size.

Lots of guys have 16/18oz gloves for sparring, but like to do drills/pads with lighter gloves for a better “feel”, and more speed and power.

I saw American sized, because the smaller MT weight classes I guess sometimes use 6oz gloves, but most adult American males aren’t fighting at 125 pounds…

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[quote]kaisermetal wrote:

[quote]cutthoat25 wrote:

[quote]law8 wrote:
Thanks for the replies guys.There are some really positive statements here.I wouldn’t even have started if I listened to a few ex guys who started at 10-14 saying that I’m wasting my time with starting boxing at 20.[/quote]

Those same guys who have been training since they were 10-14 years old are the ones Im beating in the State Tournament. And Like I stated before I’ve only been boxing for a Year w/ 6 fights compared to guys who have 50+ fights under their belt.[/quote]

i would love to hear about your experiences and what you think you do different that gives you an edge against more seasoned fighters.[/quote]

My biggest “advantage” in my mind is that I played football my whole life and strength trained as a football player. Spending a good part of my life trying to become as big and fast as possible really helped when I made the transition to becoming as small and fast as possible. Im much faster and stronger than the other 165lb boxers, and I attribute that to being a former football player. Also I pair that w/being Lucky enough to be able to train 2-3 times a day. I’ve put my eggs in one basket…told myself I wanted to become a world champion at the pro level. This is my career right now, If I fail there’s always time to look for another career. So for the difference between me and more seasoned fighters in the amateurs? my speed and power. BUT I know I have a long way to go before I think about the pro’s, where it becomes about skill…pure boxing skill

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[quote]cutthoat25 wrote:

[quote]kaisermetal wrote:

[quote]cutthoat25 wrote:

[quote]law8 wrote:
Thanks for the replies guys.There are some really positive statements here.I wouldn’t even have started if I listened to a few ex guys who started at 10-14 saying that I’m wasting my time with starting boxing at 20.[/quote]

Those same guys who have been training since they were 10-14 years old are the ones Im beating in the State Tournament. And Like I stated before I’ve only been boxing for a Year w/ 6 fights compared to guys who have 50+ fights under their belt.[/quote]

i would love to hear about your experiences and what you think you do different that gives you an edge against more seasoned fighters.[/quote]

My biggest “advantage” in my mind is that I played football my whole life and strength trained as a football player. Spending a good part of my life trying to become as big and fast as possible really helped when I made the transition to becoming as small and fast as possible. Im much faster and stronger than the other 165lb boxers, and I attribute that to being a former football player. Also I pair that w/being Lucky enough to be able to train 2-3 times a day. I’ve put my eggs in one basket…told myself I wanted to become a world champion at the pro level. This is my career right now, If I fail there’s always time to look for another career. So for the difference between me and more seasoned fighters in the amateurs? my speed and power. BUT I know I have a long way to go before I think about the pro’s, where it becomes about skill…pure boxing skill
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awesome man! show them the power of the deadlift and squat.

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[quote]cutthoat25 wrote:

[quote]kaisermetal wrote:

[quote]cutthoat25 wrote:

[quote]law8 wrote:
Thanks for the replies guys.There are some really positive statements here.I wouldn’t even have started if I listened to a few ex guys who started at 10-14 saying that I’m wasting my time with starting boxing at 20.[/quote]

Those same guys who have been training since they were 10-14 years old are the ones Im beating in the State Tournament. And Like I stated before I’ve only been boxing for a Year w/ 6 fights compared to guys who have 50+ fights under their belt.[/quote]

i would love to hear about your experiences and what you think you do different that gives you an edge against more seasoned fighters.[/quote]

My biggest “advantage” in my mind is that I played football my whole life and strength trained as a football player. Spending a good part of my life trying to become as big and fast as possible really helped when I made the transition to becoming as small and fast as possible. Im much faster and stronger than the other 165lb boxers, and I attribute that to being a former football player. Also I pair that w/being Lucky enough to be able to train 2-3 times a day. I’ve put my eggs in one basket…told myself I wanted to become a world champion at the pro level. This is my career right now, If I fail there’s always time to look for another career. So for the difference between me and more seasoned fighters in the amateurs? my speed and power. BUT I know I have a long way to go before I think about the pro’s, where it becomes about skill…pure boxing skill
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How are you training that frequently? You should write a book on time management lol.

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[quote]cutthoat25 wrote:

My biggest “advantage” in my mind is that I played football my whole life and strength trained as a football player. Spending a good part of my life trying to become as big and fast as possible really helped when I made the transition to becoming as small and fast as possible. Im much faster and stronger than the other 165lb boxers, and I attribute that to being a former football player. Also I pair that w/being Lucky enough to be able to train 2-3 times a day. I’ve put my eggs in one basket…told myself I wanted to become a world champion at the pro level. This is my career right now, If I fail there’s always time to look for another career. So for the difference between me and more seasoned fighters in the amateurs? my speed and power. BUT I know I have a long way to go before I think about the pro’s, where it becomes about skill…pure boxing skill
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i like your attitude. just out of curiosity im getting back into it and plan on fighting at 165 with most of my emphasis on strength and power and endurance to start. what are your lift stats? im throwing a 425 raw squat and a 430 raw dead. i believe at many levels of competition that strength is incredibly under rated and the mental toughness strength training can give you is a huge asset. of those 2-3 times a day whats the break down 2 boxing one strength?

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[quote]goldengloves wrote:

[quote]cutthoat25 wrote:

[quote]kaisermetal wrote:

[quote]cutthoat25 wrote:

[quote]law8 wrote:
Thanks for the replies guys.There are some really positive statements here.I wouldn’t even have started if I listened to a few ex guys who started at 10-14 saying that I’m wasting my time with starting boxing at 20.[/quote]

Those same guys who have been training since they were 10-14 years old are the ones Im beating in the State Tournament. And Like I stated before I’ve only been boxing for a Year w/ 6 fights compared to guys who have 50+ fights under their belt.[/quote]

i would love to hear about your experiences and what you think you do different that gives you an edge against more seasoned fighters.[/quote]

My biggest “advantage” in my mind is that I played football my whole life and strength trained as a football player. Spending a good part of my life trying to become as big and fast as possible really helped when I made the transition to becoming as small and fast as possible. Im much faster and stronger than the other 165lb boxers, and I attribute that to being a former football player. Also I pair that w/being Lucky enough to be able to train 2-3 times a day. I’ve put my eggs in one basket…told myself I wanted to become a world champion at the pro level. This is my career right now, If I fail there’s always time to look for another career. So for the difference between me and more seasoned fighters in the amateurs? my speed and power. BUT I know I have a long way to go before I think about the pro’s, where it becomes about skill…pure boxing skill
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How are you training that frequently? You should write a book on time management lol.[/quote]

When you want something that bad you do what it takes. Also I have a very supportive girlfriend who is the “bread winner” right now while I have a part time job. She understands that I have a small window of opportunity for the fight game and is fine with it, as long as I give it everything I got (training 2-3x’s a day)and if my goal doesnt come to fruition Im gonna have to support her the old fasahion way LOL

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[quote]westdale warrior wrote:

[quote]cutthoat25 wrote:

My biggest “advantage” in my mind is that I played football my whole life and strength trained as a football player. Spending a good part of my life trying to become as big and fast as possible really helped when I made the transition to becoming as small and fast as possible. Im much faster and stronger than the other 165lb boxers, and I attribute that to being a former football player. Also I pair that w/being Lucky enough to be able to train 2-3 times a day. I’ve put my eggs in one basket…told myself I wanted to become a world champion at the pro level. This is my career right now, If I fail there’s always time to look for another career. So for the difference between me and more seasoned fighters in the amateurs? my speed and power. BUT I know I have a long way to go before I think about the pro’s, where it becomes about skill…pure boxing skill
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i like your attitude. just out of curiosity im getting back into it and plan on fighting at 165 with most of my emphasis on strength and power and endurance to start. what are your lift stats? im throwing a 425 raw squat and a 430 raw dead. i believe at many levels of competition that strength is incredibly under rated and the mental toughness strength training can give you is a huge asset. of those 2-3 times a day whats the break down 2 boxing one strength?[/quote]

My S&C coach hasnt had me max in any main lifts since I switched sports. We concentrste more on transferring explosion like Deadlift 6x3 superset w/ box jumps, seated box jumps, broad jumps etc. For chest we close grip sped-bench w/ chains or bands, but not much added weight, we also do plyo-pushups for height, med ball throws, ring push ups and diff pushup variations. my weekly breakdown goes:

Monday - Am Boxing, afternoon 2-3 rds sparring then Strength training, Pm Bag work shadow boxing cardio(not conditioning)

Tuesday - Am: Boxing Afternoon, Sprint Intervals, Pm: cardio
Weds - Am:Boxing, Afternoon: 4-6 rds sparring then Conditioning, Pm: cardio
Thursday - Am:boxing. Pm: short sprints or sprint intervals
Friday Am: cardio Afternoon: focus work + 4-6 rds sparring Pm: cardio
Sat - AM: Conditioning(hellday) Pm: focus work

cardio = roadwork(rarely), cycling class(dont laugh it helps), running stadium stairs, incline treadmill walking, sled dragging…Low impact stuff to increase my work capacity and keep my weight in check

the sparring before strength and conditioning sessions is at the training facility I go to, and is w/ an MMA team that I train w/ there. this is seperate from my normal boxing gym where I also spar depending on what day it is.

feel free to ask any other questions.

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[quote]cutthoat25 wrote:

[quote]kaisermetal wrote:

[quote]cutthoat25 wrote:

[quote]law8 wrote:
Thanks for the replies guys.There are some really positive statements here.I wouldn’t even have started if I listened to a few ex guys who started at 10-14 saying that I’m wasting my time with starting boxing at 20.[/quote]

Those same guys who have been training since they were 10-14 years old are the ones Im beating in the State Tournament. And Like I stated before I’ve only been boxing for a Year w/ 6 fights compared to guys who have 50+ fights under their belt.[/quote]

i would love to hear about your experiences and what you think you do different that gives you an edge against more seasoned fighters.[/quote]

My biggest “advantage” in my mind is that I played football my whole life and strength trained as a football player. Spending a good part of my life trying to become as big and fast as possible really helped when I made the transition to becoming as small and fast as possible. Im much faster and stronger than the other 165lb boxers, and I attribute that to being a former football player. Also I pair that w/being Lucky enough to be able to train 2-3 times a day. I’ve put my eggs in one basket…told myself I wanted to become a world champion at the pro level. This is my career right now, If I fail there’s always time to look for another career. So for the difference between me and more seasoned fighters in the amateurs? my speed and power. BUT I know I have a long way to go before I think about the pro’s, where it becomes about skill…pure boxing skill
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Man that is some serious motivation I gotta take my hat off to you.What weight were you when you were doing football? You definitly don’t like anywhere in the region of 165 in your avatar.Are you kinda short?I think I’d have to shat out a few of my vital organs to make it down to 165 ha.

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I’m 5’10" 1/2 weighed 207lbs played RB…now I walk around at 175-178Lbs, fight at 165. Although after some serious cheat meals I can easily be 185ish. Yeah as you can tell I can stand to lose some more bodyfat (espescially in my thunder thighs) I eventually want to fight in the 150Lb range

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[quote]cutthoat25 wrote:
I’m 5’10" 1/2 weighed 207lbs played RB…now I walk around at 175-178Lbs, fight at 165. Although after some serious cheat meals I can easily be 185ish. Yeah as you can tell I can stand to lose some more bodyfat (espescially in my thunder thighs) I eventually want to fight in the 150Lb range[/quote]

Any videos of your fights? If everything goes as planned when do you hope to go pro?

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@cutthroat
Nice! Good Luck man.
Sparring three times per week = chest hair.

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[quote]xXSeraphimXx wrote:

[quote]cutthoat25 wrote:
I’m 5’10" 1/2 weighed 207lbs played RB…now I walk around at 175-178Lbs, fight at 165. Although after some serious cheat meals I can easily be 185ish. Yeah as you can tell I can stand to lose some more bodyfat (espescially in my thunder thighs) I eventually want to fight in the 150Lb range[/quote]

Any videos of your fights? If everything goes as planned when do you hope to go pro?[/quote]

I have a ways to go still. I’m still learning the sport, I’ve only been an amateur for a year which is nothing. My goal is to be a pro in about 2 years, but that depends on how I progress and how clean my skills are. No quality videos yet, just a few low quality camera phone videos. I do plan on filming my next fight, if I do I will be sure to post it here

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You have my sword!

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[quote]cutthoat25 wrote:

[quote]goldengloves wrote:

[quote]cutthoat25 wrote:

[quote]kaisermetal wrote:

[quote]cutthoat25 wrote:

[quote]law8 wrote:
Thanks for the replies guys.There are some really positive statements here.I wouldn’t even have started if I listened to a few ex guys who started at 10-14 saying that I’m wasting my time with starting boxing at 20.[/quote]

Those same guys who have been training since they were 10-14 years old are the ones Im beating in the State Tournament. And Like I stated before I’ve only been boxing for a Year w/ 6 fights compared to guys who have 50+ fights under their belt.[/quote]

i would love to hear about your experiences and what you think you do different that gives you an edge against more seasoned fighters.[/quote]

My biggest “advantage” in my mind is that I played football my whole life and strength trained as a football player. Spending a good part of my life trying to become as big and fast as possible really helped when I made the transition to becoming as small and fast as possible. Im much faster and stronger than the other 165lb boxers, and I attribute that to being a former football player. Also I pair that w/being Lucky enough to be able to train 2-3 times a day. I’ve put my eggs in one basket…told myself I wanted to become a world champion at the pro level. This is my career right now, If I fail there’s always time to look for another career. So for the difference between me and more seasoned fighters in the amateurs? my speed and power. BUT I know I have a long way to go before I think about the pro’s, where it becomes about skill…pure boxing skill
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How are you training that frequently? You should write a book on time management lol.[/quote]

When you want something that bad you do what it takes. Also I have a very supportive girlfriend who is the “bread winner” right now while I have a part time job. She understands that I have a small window of opportunity for the fight game and is fine with it, as long as I give it everything I got (training 2-3x’s a day)and if my goal doesnt come to fruition Im gonna have to support her the old fasahion way LOL
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Oh, I didn’t know whether you were working, going to school or both. If you were in my position and working while going to school I was really curious as to how you found time for three sessions lol.

Once you start competing on the national level and if you’re still winning you could get some attention from some of the bigger promoters. Good luck.

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Sergio Martinez didn’t even put on hand wraps until he was 20. It’s never too late.

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Thats a hell of a schedule cutthroat! It is cool to see someone able to train that much in their mid 20’s.

Are you fighting the people with 50+ fights as a 6 fight ammie? If so thats a little strange, as below 10 is novice class and over 10 is open class. Either way good luck.

I would concur with a football or some sort of athletic background similar really helps with fight sports.

Ive fought good people in boxing and taekwondo, and you can tell the difference. The guys who just did the fight sports were generally very slick, but moderatley powerful. The guys who played college football or such had alot of power and speed once they refined their technique.

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[quote]666Rich wrote:
Thats a hell of a schedule cutthroat! It is cool to see someone able to train that much in their mid 20’s.

Are you fighting the people with 50+ fights as a 6 fight ammie? If so thats a little strange, as below 10 is novice class and over 10 is open class. Either way good luck.

I would concur with a football or some sort of athletic background similar really helps with fight sports.

Ive fought good people in boxing and taekwondo, and you can tell the difference. The guys who just did the fight sports were generally very slick, but moderatley powerful. The guys who played college football or such had alot of power and speed once they refined their technique.[/quote]

Yeah I fight in the Open Class, with only 6 fights. Don’t ask me how this is possible, my coach just made it happen somehow. I also thought I couldn’t fight “OPEN” until I had 10 fights. In February my coach signed me up for the U.S Mens Regionals, I asked him how is that possible he said “don’t worry about it, the USA Boxing officials in our district seen me fight and were willing to let me in with 6 fights”. That’s all I know of the situation.