Anaconda's Out!

Nutrition
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I’ll chime in another reason for the “non-serious guys” to be using Anaconda/MAG-10…

My diet doesn’t allow for the carbs in Surge. 2 Scoops of Surge is the equivalent of almost 2 full days of carbs for me. I’ve been making noticeable physique changes as far as body fat is concerned and so I’m not keen on the idea of switching diets. At the beginning of the diet, I had noticeable gains in muscle size, but that’s stalled since.

Coincidentally, they stalled right around the time that my body adapted to not burning carbs. My strength hit a spot there too, same training, deloading, etc. and that hit at the same time as the size. I need something to spike insulin and do all that other cool stuff that I used to get from Surge, without carbs. Anaconda/MAG-10 are that answer. I’m going to try this protocol out (minus the FINiBARs), and experiment with Anaconda + MAG-10, just Anaconda, etc. and see what works for me and is sustainable for my wallet.

Maybe the answer is 1 scoop of Anaconda works for me after a workout to get me rejuvenated for the next workout. Maybe I need to follow the full protocol for like 2 months, make my gains, and then move back to a normal supplement stack and a new diet.

In the meantime, if I get even HALF the recovery results that people have been reporting on Anaconda, I’ll probably start hitting the gym 6 days a week and even without super Anaconda/MAG-10 priming, I’ll be able to make the gains I want.

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Why, on a website named after testosterone, are people getting offended and getting hurt egos over something as trivial as ‘the protocol is for serious lifters’?

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[quote]TylerPK4L wrote:
Not even remotely thinking about buying it. Who has the cash for this type of stuff? I guess it’s just the “muscle monsters” or the people that care about training, everyone else just doesn’t care about it and isn’t devoted enough. lol

I’m sure it’s a great product, but c’mon. 5 scoops of powders won’t last very long unless you’re going to drop a thousand bucks. [/quote]

Yeah without this you’ll just stay a weak fat piece of shit. ha…

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
TylerPK4L wrote:
Mod Brian wrote:
TylerPK4L wrote:
Not even remotely thinking about buying it. Who has the cash for this type of stuff? I guess it’s just the “muscle monsters” or the people that care about training, everyone else just doesn’t care about it and isn’t devoted enough. lol

Everyone claims to care about training, but few are committed enough to actually walk the walk. The proof is in their results. The really impressive physiques on this site weren’t build by caring, they were made by doing what’s necessary day in, day out.

It’s for these people, and those striving to reach this level, that the ANACONDA Protocol will be most effective.

This is why Tim and Christian have stated that the protocol is overkill for others. It is obviously very expensive and we don’t want anyone who won’t benefit from it to feel like they didn’t get their money’s worth.

Some people just don’t have the money for something like this protocol though. You can’t say they aren’t serious about their training just because they can’t afford to put that in their budget along with food, clothing, housing, etc. I’m in college. I don’t have money. But training is one of the most important things in my life.

Maybe some day I’ll be able to pay over $300/month for Gila Monster Protocol or whatever is next.

This is getting retarded. NO where was it written that people who can’t afford it aren’t serious…so what the fuck are you arguing about?

If you can’t afford it, you can’t afford it. What is with the drama queen effect?
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“Everyone claims to care about training, but few are committed enough to actually walk the walk” That sounds like it to me. But, you know, I don’t actually care that much. It’s not like I’m sitting at home crying on Thanksgiving because someone thinks I am a drama queen because my tone was misinterpreted.

zraw “I think some ppl are just pissed that they cant afford it and see every comment as an insult to their lifting seriousness” That’s incorrect. Several of the comments are easily interpreted that way, it’s not like people go out of their way to find problems with this company or the site. I love T-Nation, I have been online every day for the past 2.5 years. I just misread the tone, just as people have done with my posts on this thread.

My apologies to whoever needs one. :wink:

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[quote]silverhydra wrote:
Why, on a website named after testosterone, are people getting offended and getting hurt egos over something as trivial as ‘the protocol is for serious lifters’?[/quote]

That’s because they know they aren’t that serious or they know they really haven’t made progress that is that impressive.

No one who truly knows they stand out due to how much progress they have made would get offended by the statement made by the MOD.

How many people who are getting so “offended” have pictures up in their profile that would impress serious weight lifters?

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[quote]silverhydra wrote:
Why, on a website named after testosterone, are people getting offended and getting hurt egos over something as trivial as ‘the protocol is for serious lifters’?[/quote]

Part of it is because some posters make it sound that if $350/month is too much then you’re not serious about lifting or your physique. Obviously this isnt’ Biotest’s opinion, but a few posters seem to allude to the fact that if you were serious then you would change your lifestyle in order to get in on the uberness.

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looks like great stuff

whats the casein hydrolysate’s amino acid profile and how much leuceine is there? i was just about to buy some peptopro and this may hold me off
how much citrulline malate per serving?
can someone explain the difference between creatine 2-oxopropanoate and the standard monohydrate?
how much beta-alanine per serving?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
silverhydra wrote:
Why, on a website named after testosterone, are people getting offended and getting hurt egos over something as trivial as ‘the protocol is for serious lifters’?

That’s because they know they aren’t that serious or they know they really haven’t made progress that is that impressive.

No one who truly knows they stand out due to how much progress they have made would get offended by the statement made by the MOD.

How many people who are getting so “offended” have pictures up in their profile that would impress serious weight lifters?[/quote]

I know I’ve made progress. Since graduating high school (senior year of college now) I’ve added about 40 lbs of decent weight. I don’t have pics in my profile because I saw what happened to that kid in “the dickneck saga.” My pictures would impress no serious bodybuilder. But if you avert your gaze to a couple of posts in the supplement discussion you will see several allusions to dedication and its relation to dedicating money to supplements. Personally, I feel like my money is (at the moment) best spent on sirloin.

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[quote]edotfish wrote:
looks like great stuff

whats the casein hydrolysate’s amino acid profile and how much leuceine is there? i was just about to buy some peptopro and this may hold me off
how much citrulline malate per serving?
can someone explain the difference between creatine 2-oxopropanoate and the standard monohydrate?
how much beta-alanine per serving?[/quote]

There’s a reason the specific # arent given…

But know this, for each “compound” the first ingredient is the one that is the most present.

Also know that each serving has 10g of casein hydro and about 8g of leucine (per TC say)

As far as the difference between creatine 2-oxo and mono, there was an article not long ago on here about creatine, look for it and the 2nd page has your answer

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[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
silverhydra wrote:
Why, on a website named after testosterone, are people getting offended and getting hurt egos over something as trivial as ‘the protocol is for serious lifters’?

Part of it is because some posters make it sound that if $350/month is too much then you’re not serious about lifting or your physique. Obviously this isnt’ Biotest’s opinion, but a few posters seem to allude to the fact that if you were serious then you would change your lifestyle in order to get in on the uberness.[/quote]

What does that have to do with anything stated by this company? The people bitching in this thread aren’t calling out some random poster. They are calling out the MOD as if the MOD actually said, “anyone who can’t afford this can’t be serious”.

Did you miss that?

Some of the people here would complain no matter what the fuck happens and shit like that gets irritating very quickly.

They complained that it wasn’t out yet. They complained that, even though CT went into extreme detail about lifting concepts, there isn’t an Easy-Bake routine for all released as of yet. Now they complain because it costs too much.

How could anyone take this seriously?

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Everyone knew that cost would be an issue with these products, it was never “hid” during the teases that it would be a high-cost product. Now that it’s out, why are people complaining about the price? No one, not Biotest, a Mod, or otherwise passed judgement on those who couldn’t afford the product. If you can’t afford it (I know I can’t) then don’t worry about it.

Think of it this way: no one is going to question that a Ferrari is far superior to a Honda. That, however, doesn’t mean that just because you drive a Honda you are a bad driver. The same could be said for the opposite, driving a Ferrari doesn’t mean you’re a great driver.

And to whoever asked, the “2-oxo Creatine” is Creatine Pyruvate.

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[quote]Schmazz wrote:
No one, not Biotest, a Mod, or otherwise passed judgement on those who couldn’t afford the product. If you can’t afford it (I know I can’t) then don’t worry about it.

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This sounds like passing judgment to me :shrug:

[quote]NDucedStrength98 wrote:
I cant believe its finally here. I cannot wait to get my hands on this stuff.

A lot of you guys complaining about the price of the product, is understandable. Its understandable because training is not your life. Its not on your minds 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Its not for those who like to go out and party over the weekend. Its not for those who choose to take an extra “off day” because they just did not feel like going. It is for those who choose to put 100% into their diets and training.

It is for those who are lifting as hard as they possibly can on Friday night while all their friends are out partying and living it up at the club. It is for those who wake up in the morning, and go straight to the scale or look in the mirror to notice physique differences, or to simply admire what they have so far accomplished. It is for those who wake up and walk straight to the kitchen, knowing they want to get in an anabolic state as fast as possible.

It is for those who wear their callouses like badges of honor, and wear shin scars from proper deadlifts as if they were air-force stripes. It is for those who treat every training session as if was their last, and who eat, sleep, and breathe muscle. If training is your one and only, and your everything, than Anaconda is for you. If your someone who wants just some “big biceps”, than its not. [/quote]

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I dont understand how people have looked forward to this product for so long and it actually came out (correct me if im wrong) and it being cheaper then it originally said it would be (didnt it say it would be anaconda would be 90$ each and 80 for 2?) and still complain.

compared to other supplements that are out there it isn’t even that bad considering some NO products alone are sometimes up to around 70$ at least canadian and you couldnt even compare it to Anaconda at all whatsoever. I’m just happy i can get my hands on it if i so desire and i got over the price months ago when i first heard about it…

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The offense probably comes from Mod Brian coming off as extremely pretentious.

I have no intentions of buying Anaconda, and I can honestly say that even if I could easily afford it, I still probably wouldn’t buy it if only because I’m skeptical. Everything that we’ve seen about it is from the T-Nation writers, and it’s their job to sell this stuff by making it sound like the second coming, no matter how peripheral it is to my workout. It just wouldn’t be a wise use of money that I could be investing into something else.

And why are people complaining about the price? Why not? Maybe it was a bit obvious that it was going to be expensive, especially considering the price of other products on this site, but after all the hype that was built up on this site, who wouldn’t be a little disappointed that the price is beyond their means? All anyone can hope is that a group of people pick it up and show such positive results that it becomes more popular, eventually allowing them to lower the price.

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PX: I don’t know if anyone here is that “offended” by anything. Most that have said something about it just think some comments were stupid. You obviously think my comments were stupid, but that doesn’t mean you’re offended by them. All comments could have been misinterpreted from the get-go though. But I really don’t feel like my comments were over-the-top “Hey, fuck you, I’m super cereal!”

It’s still very expensive to the majority of people. If you think it’s cheap, then send some my way. lol

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I can’t wait till I’m ready for this, it sucks I know I’m stil 4-5 months out. Does anyone know if the products are on limited supply? My next order is going to be HUGE ordering this along with the Surge products and Metabolic Drive.

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I agree about the serious part. Why waste 300 something dollars on this if you are just going to half ass it. I admit i go through spells sometimes where I skip a few workouts a week because of work or just other things going on in my life. A person would have to make sure they have time dedicated to working out while they are using this protocol.

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[quote]Blackaggar wrote:

compared to other supplements that are out there it isn’t even that bad considering some NO products alone are sometimes up to around 70$
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that’s a retarded point you’re trying to make. no products that cost 70 bucks generally last for a month. this product will last for 10 days.

either way, i’m still excited about the release of it and i look foward to hearing good results from it.

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[quote]strungoutboy21 wrote:

I agree about the serious part. Why waste 300 something dollars on this if you are just going to half ass it. I admit i go through spells sometimes where I skip a few workouts a week because of work or just other things going on in my life. A person would have to make sure they have time dedicated to working out while they are using this protocol.[/quote]

If this is the “serious” that they’re talking about, then I agree with it being only for serious lifters. But that goes for almost every supplement out there (edited from “their”…lol). Why spend any money if you’re half-assing it? Hell, why do anything if you’re half-assing it?

On a completely different note than my other comments on this thread, I agree with HMac about being excited about the product and seeing results.