CT's BCAA Claim?

Diet and Nutrition
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In Biotest’s BCAA announcment, CT makes this claim:

Over the past year, I’ve had several clients gain up to 8 pounds of lean mass in 2 weeks using my protocol. While most of my clients don’t gain 8 pounds in two weeks, most will gain an average of 1-2 pounds per week over the first 8 weeks of use.

Here’s what Christian recommends:

5 servings of 5-10 grams per day (i.e. about 4 to 8 Biotest BCAA tablets):

  1. Upon waking up (especially if you engage in pre-breakfast cardio).
  2. Between breakfast and lunch.
  3. Between lunch and supper.
  4. Mid-evening.
  5. Before going to bed.

Each serving would ideally be 10 grams; that will give you the best gains by far. The results are very close to being drug-like, and I’m not one to say this lightly. I put my reputation on the line.

Has anyone tried this? I’ve done the math. There are 302 gms of BCAAs per bottle of Biotest BCAAs. At 50 grams a day, one bottle will last 6 days.

To take CT’s recommended dosage for 8 weeks (56 days) would require 9.3 bottles of BCAAs. Rounding down to 9 bottles, that’s $252.

Now, if someone could magically put 8-16 pounds of lean muscle on me, I would pay 250 bucks in a second. In fact, that’s about what a bottle of stanazolic used to cost, and those gains are consistent with stanazolic use.

But before I lay down that kind of change, I’d like to hear whether anyone else has tried it.

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I am a believer in the probability of this in hard training and nutrition mindful individuals. I haven’t kept measurements of lean mass gains since starting this protocol, however I can report that I have been taking them pretty much in the order described and I have had some of the best gains I have ever made from a visual (non measuring) perspective.

I am currently at about fourteen to thirteen % fat (dropping since I started from about fifteen to sixteen) and I am bigger in terms of muscle mass and my strength has gone up considerably.

D

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[quote]Dedicated wrote:
I am a believer in the probability of this in hard training and nutrition mindful individuals. I haven’t kept measurements of lean mass gains since starting this protocol, however I can report that I have been taking them pretty much in the order described and I have had some of the best gains I have ever made.

I am currently at about fourteen to thirteen % fat (dropping since I started from about fifteen to sixteen) and I am bigger in terms of muscle mass and my strength has gone up considerably.

D [/quote]

Thanks for the reply! How many calories over maintenance have you been eating?

My training and eating are in order. I recently finished the V-Diet, have restored my metabolism to normal, and am either going to drop the last 15 pounds of fat, or go with these recommendations. Not sure which…

I’m inclined to go with the latter. A gain of 10-15 lbs. of LBM would put me at a nice place, even with the extra bodyfat I need to lose.

Plus, it would be fun to shift from a performance-based program to a hypertrophy-based one. I haven’t done a hypertrophy-based program in several years. I miss the pumps and fat, round muscle bellies.

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great question, and i’m really interested in hearing others opinions.

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I’d rather discuss your lack of an Avatar.

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Again, I can’t give you exact caloric numbers (I don’t track that like I did years ago), but I can breakdown my nutrition for you.

Upon waking three REZ-V, four BCAA’s, two BETA-7’s, and hit the shower.

Half an hour later Four scoops of Metabolic Drive Complete in sixteen ounces fat free milk, scoop of Greens Plus, either a banana or raspberries or blueberries in shake. Two Flameout.

Half hour later one apple four Methoxy-7.

One hour later pre-workout four BCAA’s, then again mid workout, and again post workout with two scoops Surge and one heaping scoop Biotest Creatine.

Two hours later one large slab of lean protein with vegetables,

Two hours later an apple with a Metabolic Drive Bar. Two BETA-7

One hour later a Low-Carb MD shake four Methoxy-7.

One and half hours later a another huge slab of lean protein with vegetables.

Bed time Four to five BCAA’s and two BETA-7, and two Flameout.

Again, BCAA’s are thrown in at random times throughout the day. This is working for me as far as dropping fat and putting on muscle. Strength has increased as well. I also munch on jerky throughout the day.

D

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thats a ton of pills bro. you ever get sick of taking so many? i might try this protocol if i can find some cheaper bcaas

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[quote]Ballin4Christ32 wrote:
thats a ton of pills bro. you ever get sick of taking so many? i might try this protocol if i can find some cheaper bcaas[/quote]

Doesn’t bother me in the least. When I was younger it might have thrown me on a drag, but being older and more regimented it’s an easy habit to follow. Also, I can’t argue with the results of doing this.

D

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[quote]Dedicated wrote:
Again, I can’t give you exact caloric numbers (I don’t track that like I did years ago), but I can breakdown my nutrition for you.

Upon waking three REZ-V, four BCAA’s, two BETA-7’s, and hit the shower.

Half an hour later Four scoops of Metabolic Drive Complete in sixteen ounces fat free milk, scoop of Greens Plus, either a banana or raspberries or blueberries in shake. Two Flameout.

Half hour later one apple four Methoxy-7.

One hour later pre-workout four BCAA’s, then again mid workout, and again post workout with two scoops Surge and one heaping scoop Biotest Creatine.

Two hours later one large slab of lean protein with vegetables,

Two hours later an apple with a Metabolic Drive Bar. Two BETA-7

One hour later a Low-Carb MD shake four Methoxy-7.

One and half hours later a another huge slab of lean protein with vegetables.

Bed time Four to five BCAA’s and two BETA-7, and two Flameout.

Again, BCAA’s are thrown in at random times throughout the day. This is working for me as far as dropping fat and putting on muscle. Strength has increased as well. I also munch on jerky throughout the day.

D [/quote]

you’re putting the kids of the guys who work for Biotest through college.

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[quote]cougarenegade wrote:
Dedicated wrote:
Again, I can’t give you exact caloric numbers (I don’t track that like I did years ago), but I can breakdown my nutrition for you.

Upon waking three REZ-V, four BCAA’s, two BETA-7’s, and hit the shower.

Half an hour later Four scoops of Metabolic Drive Complete in sixteen ounces fat free milk, scoop of Greens Plus, either a banana or raspberries or blueberries in shake. Two Flameout.

Half hour later one apple four Methoxy-7.

One hour later pre-workout four BCAA’s, then again mid workout, and again post workout with two scoops Surge and one heaping scoop Biotest Creatine.

Two hours later one large slab of lean protein with vegetables,

Two hours later an apple with a Metabolic Drive Bar. Two BETA-7

One hour later a Low-Carb MD shake four Methoxy-7.

One and half hours later a another huge slab of lean protein with vegetables.

Bed time Four to five BCAA’s and two BETA-7, and two Flameout.

Again, BCAA’s are thrown in at random times throughout the day. This is working for me as far as dropping fat and putting on muscle. Strength has increased as well. I also munch on jerky throughout the day.

D

you’re putting the kids of the guys who work for Biotest through college.[/quote]

You know comparatively speaking when you have people throwing their money away on cigarettes, fast food, booze, and the like to me it’s a no brainer. I will spend my money on things that enhance my life and boost my results from the gym. I am thirty six years old and stronger then I have ever been in my life. To me it’s worth it.

D

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Isnt Beta-7 before bed basically flushing it down the toilet? I could be wrong but I thought you were suppose to take it pre-workout?

By the way, If you take 5 grams, 5 times a day, thats only 25 pills a day, yes? How is that a bottle every 6 days? Maybe if you take the 10 pill dose.

Its interesting to see CT write that because he seems to be a big advocate of “.25 to .5 lbs of lbm a week”, interesting that he would claim 4 pounds for 2 weeks in a row.

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[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
Isnt Beta-7 before bed basically flushing it down the toilet? I could be wrong but I thought you were suppose to take it pre-workout?

By the way, If you take 5 grams, 5 times a day, thats only 25 pills a day, yes? How is that a bottle every 6 days? Maybe if you take the 10 pill dose.

Its interesting to see CT write that because he seems to be a big advocate of “.25 to .5 lbs of lbm a week”, interesting that he would claim 4 pounds for 2 weeks in a row.[/quote]

As for the bedtime BETA-7 I forgot to state I did this for the first six weeks (as in three times per day) and now just take it twice per day. I just followed the recommendations for building up the levels and now maintain it.

D

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[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
By the way, If you take 5 grams, 5 times a day, thats only 25 pills a day, yes? How is that a bottle every 6 days? Maybe if you take the 10 pill dose.[/quote]

I was assuming the maximum dosage.

Yeah, I thought the same thing. I was surprised no one asked him to reconcile his views. Especially since, in Holly Muscle he wrote: “If everything is done perfectly, most men can hope for around a 0.5 to 1.0 pound gain in muscle tissue per week.” Big difference between .5 and 1.0 pounds a week!

Anyhow, I figured that since CT had so many followers around here, someone would have tried it. I don’t get why none of them have tried this, though. It makes no sense to me.

Fuck, man, there are thousands of people asking whether supplement X will conflict with supplment Y. So I’m assuming there are guys taking all sorts of Biotest supplements a month.

If you can really gain 8-16 pounds of muscle in 8 weeks, why take any other Biotest supplement than BCAAs? Seriously. Spend no money on anything other than BCAAs for 8 weeks and get that muscle.

Anyhow, I’m likely going to give it a run. I just hate spending $250 “on faith.” If CT was wrong, I’m out a lot of money (to me, anyway).

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California, I think he means it is possible, but far from guaranteed for every person. You can put someone on the best gear money can buy and if one part of the puzzle is missing little to no gains can be the end result.

It’s building the best environment for gains that counts. I don’t think he means using only BCAA’s you’re going to grow like you’re on a gram of test.

D

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[quote]Dedicated wrote:
California, I think he means it is possible, but far from guaranteed for every person. You can put someone on the best gear money can buy and if one part of the puzzle is missing little to no gains can be the end result.

It’s building the best environment for gains that counts. I don’t think he means using only BCAA’s you’re going to grow like you’re on a gram of test. [/quote]

I feel ya. But I’m going off of what he said.

If he wanted to qualify or equivocate, he should have. What he said was that he would stake his reputation on the following: Take 10 gms of BCAAs 5 times daily for an average gain of 8-16 lbs of muscle. That’s a bold claim, and doesn’t leave much room for qualification.

My musclebuilding environment is optimal. Enough meals a day, right about of calories, lots of fish oil and other healthy fats, plenty of sleep, etc. Work is going well, etc.

Other than my daily stress (and everyone has drama), there’s no reason that if his claim is true, I could not see the outstanding results.

Now, I’m not much of a follower, and have a hard time taking things of faith. Hence the reason for my post. There are a lot of lemmings/followers here, and I would have assumed that one of them would have tried it. I guess all the people who post “Best article ever” aren’t actually following his advice?

If I pull the trigger, I’ll “diary” it here.

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[quote]Dedicated wrote:
You know comparatively speaking when you have people throwing their money away on cigarettes, fast food, booze, and the like to me it’s a no brainer. I will spend my money on things that enhance my life and boost my results from the gym. I am thirty six years old and stronger then I have ever been in my life. To me it’s worth it. [/quote]

No doubt. I hate hearing, “You spend too much time training/spend too much of supplements.” People spend their money on garbage and they eat out frequently. My supplement bill is much less than yuppies spend on dining out each month.

Plus, my bloodwork and other health measures are great. I’m self-employed, so getting sick costs me money. If I can stay healthy, I make more money.

Plus, my enjoyment of life is pretty high. I’ve been small, and I’ve been fat. Life as a guy carrying around more muscle than average is pretty good. People treat you better.

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[quote]

If I pull the trigger, I’ll “diary” it here.[/quote]

keep us updated. this would be iteresting.

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[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:

Yeah, I thought the same thing. I was surprised no one asked him to reconcile his views. Especially since, in Holly Muscle he wrote: “If everything is done perfectly, most men can hope for around a 0.5 to 1.0 pound gain in muscle tissue per week.” Big difference between .5 and 1.0 pounds a week!

Anyhow, I’m likely going to give it a run. I just hate spending $250 “on faith.” If CT was wrong, I’m out a lot of money (to me, anyway). [/quote]

And theres an even bigger difference between 1 punds a week and 4 POUNDS A WEEK. Thats where the claim loses me, especially from someone who seems level headed like CT. Maybe its his newbie clients who JUST started and he has them take it right off the bat.

Let us know how it goes Cali.

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So far all I can afford is taking 4 pills, 3 times a day on non-training days, and 4 pills, 5 times a day on training days.

That makes 12 pills on non-training days, and 20 on training days, and 4 training days a week = a total of 116 pills per week.

So far I definitely noticed a boost of energy (but not like caffein energy) when I take 4 pills halfway through my workout. It seems to kick in about 2-3 sets after taking them, which is much faster than I was expecting.

I’ve been getting this same reaction on every training day since I started taking them.

I’ve been able to get the same # of reps or even more reps with the following sets, and I usually gradually decrease the amount of reps I can get as I progress through my workout.

Even if it’s all in my head and I’m having a placebo reaction, it’s worth it so far.

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can CT himself chime in on this thread, or someone post it up in CT’s “locker room” thread?