Is it me, or does the campaign and marketing for this whole Anaconda Protocol/I Bodybuilder make no fricken sense at all? Who does your marketing? The same people who promoted the Michael Vick Dog Fights? I mean seriously, look at the facts.
All customers want is to see real world guinea pigs go through the protocol and see some before/after pics. No one in their right mind can simply go off of heresay. I’m talking “real world” people. The client base that you want to buy the Anaconda Protocol. All you’re doing is shoving out a product and have NOTHING substantial to back up your claims. Or am I wrong here? Are there some before/after photo’s of guys that were giving the Anaconda for free, told what to do with it and now have this 20lbs of new muscle to show on their bodies? Where are these pics TC? Biotest? Anyone.
The rationale that you guys are proposing is that everyone should take a few peoples word? This isn’t the Oprah Winfrey Book Club. “Mein Kampf…The Newest Oprah Book Club Selection” Take Oprah’s word for it.
You don’t HAVE to believe the claims or that the supplement will help you. You don’t HAVE to buy the product. Who cares? It seems that you’re not going to be a customer, you’ve made up your mind. Thats fine. Big deal. I’m sure your life will be fine without Anaconda. If it bothers you, ignore it.
[quote]elusive wrote:
You don’t HAVE to believe the claims or that the supplement will help you. You don’t HAVE to buy the product. Who cares? It seems that you’re not going to be a customer, you’ve made up your mind. Thats fine. Big deal. I’m sure your life will be fine without Anaconda. If it bothers you, ignore it.[/quote]
You don’t get it. If they’d done their homework/research before releasing the product all the people wouldn’t be stating “I’ll wait to see how it works on others” and so on. I’m not saying I won’t buy it down the line. The price doesn’t scare me off. I just think it’s stupid marketing to not have anything to back up your claims. Not understanding how this is so hard to comprehend.
…Even if they do post before & after pics of BBers using the Anaconda protocol, how can you be sure that those BBers didn’t use “anything else” to enhance their performance?
CT said that his competitive BBers (who use steroids) also used the protocol, and they had good results.
They had good results from what? From using a bunch of milk powders, or from using steroids?
[quote]cobrakai wrote:
elusive wrote:
You don’t HAVE to believe the claims or that the supplement will help you. You don’t HAVE to buy the product. Who cares? It seems that you’re not going to be a customer, you’ve made up your mind. Thats fine. Big deal. I’m sure your life will be fine without Anaconda. If it bothers you, ignore it.
You don’t get it. If they’d done their homework/research before releasing the product all the people wouldn’t be stating “I’ll wait to see how it works on others” and so on. I’m not saying I won’t buy it down the line. The price doesn’t scare me off. I just think it’s stupid marketing to not have anything to back up your claims. Not understanding how this is so hard to comprehend.
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I’m not Tim or TC, but I imagine they have very good reasons for pursuing the marketing plan they have.
They’ve previously mentioned why they don’t release before/after photos of people who use them. You’re welcome to look it up, and I highly encourage you to do so. Going off memory, they listed that most supplement before/after photos are highly photoshopped, sometimes being taken within a few minutes of each other. So before/after photos aren’t definitive ‘proof’. They could release the exact ingredients and the formula, but then they’d only be relying on people to go look up the scientific studies, which may be of dubious benefit, and then all their competitors would be able to market their own version of the product. That might be seen as a small risk in your eyes. If the Anaconda supplement is as revolutionary as Tim/TC/CT suggest, only a fool would agree with such a risk-assessment.
Alternatively, they could work with top-tier athletes until they get the formula down pat, invite forum-members with a high degree of integrity to come to Biotest Central for a free sample, and leverage their own reputations on saying ‘hey, this product is the most amazing supplement since beef’.
TC and Tim have a reputation for straight-dealing. Ain’t nothing wrong with skepticism, but that reputation is well-earned. If Anaconda doesn’t put out in a big way, all their previous work will be ruined. I don’t think they’d make that mistake.
I think there’s enough evidence to suggest the efficacy of the product. But if you want to keep waiting for more, that’s fine too.
Do some research, there may not have been before and after pictures, but look on elitefts and the progress many of their powerlifters have said they have gotten since starting the Anaconda protocol. Check out defrancostraining.com and the reviews they have given Anaconda. I am in no way going to make any judgements on it until I try it, but these guys are “real” people and have had great things to say about it.
[quote]cobrakai wrote:
I just think it’s stupid marketing to not have anything to back up your claims.[/quote]
There is a reason they own and run a large company, and you are a member of it. Lol, how many businesses have you run? How many sales forecasts have you prepped? How many consumer behavior reports have you read? How many new products have you released?
Just because you don’t like something, doesn’t mean it was wrong. It took my 11 year old a while to grasp that concept too…
[quote] Not understanding how this is so hard to comprehend.
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What’s so hard to comprehend is why you are projecting your own frustrations.
I am actually looking forward to tax season now, maybe the hysteria and self righteousness will have calmed down by then.
I’ve been using the stuff for nearly two months now and I like this product. My strength is up (higher than ever on some exercises) and body fat is down despite purposefully trying to hold around the same body weight (even though that went up a little).
Most before and after pictures are complete bullshit anyway unless you are naive enough to believe the crap Hustlefleck is selling.
I would personally think that people who have been on this site for several years and have at least some respect earned here might actually be a better voice of whether there is anything here than some random pictures of pro bodybuilders that CT knows.
If you were unaware that some of the members here were flown to Colorado to try the product, then how can you lash out against them for not doing it?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I’ve been using the stuff for nearly two months now and I like this product.
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You “like” the product?
You’ve been the type that is after the most muscle possible in the shortest time within reason and not doing AAS (with good reasons I know).
You however have never seemed like the type to do a lot of supplements. Let’s say it was 3-5 yrs ago for you. Would you use this protocol at $345/month?
Basically, would you think “the juice is worth the squeeze”?
just asking for your opinion, not trying to come off as a jerk here
[quote]cobrakai wrote:
elusive wrote:
You don’t HAVE to believe the claims or that the supplement will help you. You don’t HAVE to buy the product. Who cares? It seems that you’re not going to be a customer, you’ve made up your mind. Thats fine. Big deal. I’m sure your life will be fine without Anaconda. If it bothers you, ignore it.
You don’t get it. If they’d done their homework/research before releasing the product all the people wouldn’t be stating “I’ll wait to see how it works on others” and so on. I’m not saying I won’t buy it down the line. The price doesn’t scare me off. I just think it’s stupid marketing to not have anything to back up your claims. Not understanding how this is so hard to comprehend.
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I understand from reading the materials posted on this site that the Anaconda products are based on creatine, leucine, other amino acids, protein and insulin manipulation. There is a lot of science to back up the efficacy of each of these. Seems to me their value add comes in the combination of these proven ingredients and the use protocol they are recommending. I was actually pleased there was no hype around mystery ingredients or bogus proprietary “breakthroughs”. I think this is a level headed product, marketed in a level headed way and its success will depend on how its users feel about it. With Professor X endorsing it, someone most of us here trust, I for one plan to “reprogram” my supplement budget and get on the Anaconda bandwagon.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
Professor X wrote:
I’ve been using the stuff for nearly two months now and I like this product.
You “like” the product?
You’ve been the type that is after the most muscle possible in the shortest time within reason and not doing AAS (with good reasons I know).
You however have never seemed like the type to do a lot of supplements. Let’s say it was 3-5 yrs ago for you. Would you use this protocol at $345/month?
Basically, would you think “the juice is worth the squeeze”?
just asking for your opinion, not trying to come off as a jerk here[/quote]
If I actually believed the word of a poster here and they noted a positive benefit, I would have looked into it. Whether I actually bought it back then would have depended on my check book. Why are you worried about what I would buy? Are we in the same career field? Do we share bank accounts?
I have always relied on some type of stimulant for training (whether that was Ripped Fuel or much later HOT-ROX) and usually try to get my protein in. Aside from that, I have to at least trust the company a little to buy much more than that…but I bought the first MAG-10 when it came out.
I have already written that most of you don’t need this product…because most of you are not that damned serious and you know it.
I’ll leave it like this, over the past couple of weeks I have had people literally stop lifting to come over to me to tell me that whatever I am doing is really working…and even though they say I’ve lost fat, I actually went up nearly 5lbs.
You seem to be on some type of crusade to point out faults of advertisement as far as this product.
I am going to make progress no matter what. I believe I have made better progress over the last month or so.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I’ve been using the stuff for nearly two months now and I like this product. My strength is up (higher than ever on some exercises) and body fat is down despite purposefully trying to hold around the same body weight (even though that went up a little).
Most before and after pictures are complete bullshit anyway unless you are naive enough to believe the crap Hustlefleck is selling.
I would personally think that people who have been on this site for several years and have at least some respect earned here might actually be a better voice of whether there is anything here than some random pictures of pro bodybuilders that CT knows.
If you were unaware that some of the members here were flown to Colorado to try the product, then how can you lash out against them for not doing it?
I guess I wrote this for nothing:
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I had previously read your article and knew about people like you and Nate Green, Stu going to CO. If you’ve been taking this for a few months then where are your 15lbs of new muscle gains? You are always preaching about how people don’t workout hard enough and all that. Are you not following the exact Anaconda Protocol or just not working out intensely enough to achieve the gains that CT’s guys achieved?
You seem to be on some type of crusade to point out faults of advertisement as far as this product.
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I’m actually not on a crusade to prove false advertisement. I’m actually just trying to comprehend who would pay for this protocol. And while like you said most here shouldn’t be using it, I wanted your opinion as it relates to someone is seems more serious than anyone on here about their quest for muscle.
You seem to tip toe and dodge the actual questions here and put it back on other people.
Bottom line- do you have faith in this protocol for the amount of money it requires. That’s all
[quote]ebomb5522 wrote:
Do some research, there may not have been before and after pictures, but look on elitefts and the progress many of their powerlifters have said they have gotten since starting the Anaconda protocol. Check out defrancostraining.com and the reviews they have given Anaconda. I am in no way going to make any judgements on it until I try it, but these guys are “real” people and have had great things to say about it. [/quote]
Elite and Defrancos have business ties with Biotest… In my opinion Professor X and Stu are no longer credible when it comes to reviews on this supplement as well for the fact that they have established such an intimate relationship with the company.
That being said, Anaconda is just a name, the nutrition label is what it is. I know Anaconda’s ingredients are effective in promoting anabolism, its just overpriced… (for a college student like myself)
[quote]cobrakai wrote:
Professor X wrote:
I’ve been using the stuff for nearly two months now and I like this product. My strength is up (higher than ever on some exercises) and body fat is down despite purposefully trying to hold around the same body weight (even though that went up a little).
Most before and after pictures are complete bullshit anyway unless you are naive enough to believe the crap Hustlefleck is selling.
I would personally think that people who have been on this site for several years and have at least some respect earned here might actually be a better voice of whether there is anything here than some random pictures of pro bodybuilders that CT knows.
If you were unaware that some of the members here were flown to Colorado to try the product, then how can you lash out against them for not doing it?
I guess I wrote this for nothing:
I had previously read your article and knew about people like you and Nate Green, Stu going to CO. If you’ve been taking this for a few months then where are your 15lbs of new muscle gains? You are always preaching about how people don’t workout hard enough and all that. Are you not following the exact Anaconda Protocol or just not working out intensely enough to achieve the gains that CT’s guys achieved?
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You’re an asshole. Show some fucking respect if you want anyone to waste time giving you details.
I had previously read your article and knew about people like you and Nate Green, Stu going to CO. If you’ve been taking this for a few months then where are your 15lbs of new muscle gains? You are always preaching about how people don’t workout hard enough and all that. Are you not following the exact Anaconda Protocol or just not working out intensely enough to achieve the gains that CT’s guys achieved?
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Unless I’m mistaken, no where in the ANACONDA Protocol did they state what kind of gains to expect, like they did with I,Bodybuilder. And that is where the disconnect lies.
[quote]cobrakai wrote:
Professor X wrote:
I’ve been using the stuff for nearly two months now and I like this product. My strength is up (higher than ever on some exercises) and body fat is down despite purposefully trying to hold around the same body weight (even though that went up a little).
Most before and after pictures are complete bullshit anyway unless you are naive enough to believe the crap Hustlefleck is selling.
I would personally think that people who have been on this site for several years and have at least some respect earned here might actually be a better voice of whether there is anything here than some random pictures of pro bodybuilders that CT knows.
If you were unaware that some of the members here were flown to Colorado to try the product, then how can you lash out against them for not doing it?
I guess I wrote this for nothing:
I had previously read your article and knew about people like you and Nate Green, Stu going to CO. If you’ve been taking this for a few months then where are your 15lbs of new muscle gains? You are always preaching about how people don’t workout hard enough and all that. Are you not following the exact Anaconda Protocol or just not working out intensely enough to achieve the gains that CT’s guys achieved?
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X answered this exact question when he mentioned that he’s not changing up his current routine, for it’s working perfectly for him at this time. I think it’s fair to say that anyone that has lifted seriously for a few years (no, I’m not slamming you or anyone else out there when I say this, so don’t read into that), develops a better mind/body connection and can actually feel what is/isn’t working for them.
With specific exercises, you may find some work GREAT for you, but give them to your friends to do and the results are pathetic.
As for your comments on marketing, well, in marketing there’s more than one way to skin a cat… I too would like to see before/after pics, mostly as I really like to see people’s progress and I get excited for them… But this industry is full of the worst scam artists around when it comes to advertising - pick up any copy of Flex or Muscle and Fitness as an example…
In all honesty, I think that with all the scientific prelude to Anaconda being released, and studies being posted in the forums validating what we now know is in Anaconda, combined with the precedent that when Biotest claims something is in a product they sell, it is actually in the capsule/powder (And of good potency). I don’t think that those who would buy Anaconda would need pictures to validate the purchase.
And I’m pretty sure damn-near everybody went and checked the label of Anaconda, then compared it to the price and decided whether to buy or not based on those two criteria, rather than blindly throwing money.