[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
[quote]bulldog9899 wrote:
[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
Man, I really loved pee wee football. Great videos. [/quote]
Thanks,but this is are 7th grade Jr high team.But my youngest is still in youth or pee wee if you like.Ill be posting some video of them also :)[/quote]
Oh, where I came from it was called pee wee until Freshman year of high school or 9th grade. Sorry about the misnomer. [/quote]
Not a big deal friend 
why not just run the 5/3/1 and when you get done with the prescribed reps do pyrimad up in singles till you fail
something like this
Deads:225x5
275x5
330x3
410x5ā¦ added belt
465x3
520x1ā¦felt semi easy
540x1
560x1
540x1
I think that will get you going or you can just do what you have done in the past. the strenght is there you just have to put your mind into it.
so 5/5/5 week would be like this
Deads: 225x5
275x5
330x3
385x3ā¦added Belt
440x3
490x3ā¦
510x1
530x1
550x0
530x1
anyway that is what I am thinking about doing when it gets close to whatever meet I am going to doā¦
Donāt panic. Maybe it was just too much of a shock to your CNS to go from 520 to 575 if you havenāt been pulling singles? Then your confidence was blown for the 550?
You still have plenty of time before your meet . . .
Iām going to usggest, as a person tahts never pulled 500 so take with a grain of salt, that the 575 got in your head and effed you up for the rest of the day.
Gotta get yourself reuse to the higher weights. Joe hit it. Psyched yourself out a little. Itāll come back. Great player you got there in the son. No hesitation. Charges right in.
Thanks everyone for your advice.Its becoming very clear that 5/3/1 isnt the best for me in regards to my deadlift.The good thing is that this was the last deadlifting ill be doing in this cycle.Ive got two weeks before im into true meet prep mode.So at least this will give me a chance to think this through with a calm mind.At this point I dont feel that my CNS is getting trained the way it should. I mean yeah my ability to do reps at a certain weight is going up,which seems to mean piss in the big picture.
Thatās my concern with 5/3/1 regarding powerlifting. It seems to focus on rep PRs rather than pushing the envelope on 1 RMs. I should say that Iāve never done 5/3/1, but when thereās a meet on the calendar, it seems like there are better programs to follow. Chime in if Iām wrong here . . .
[quote]kpsnap wrote:
Thatās my concern with 5/3/1 regarding powerlifting. It seems to focus on rep PRs rather than pushing the envelope on 1 RMs. I should say that Iāve never done 5/3/1, but when thereās a meet on the calendar, it seems like there are better programs to follow. Chime in if Iām wrong here . . .[/quote]
I think thats true to a point, particularly at the first part of a wave. But as you get further the amount of reps you can do drop until you are truly doing 1RMās. 5/3/1 obviously isnāt for everybody but itās worked for me, well Iām stronger than I was.
(part one)Paul Carter saidā¦
I think Jimās 5/3/1 program is fine for getting ready for a meet.
Here is what I would do. Set aside 8 weeks.
6 weeks of training -
1 week deload -
The week of the meet -
Now follow me here.
For the weeks leading up to those 6 weeks just get the reps in. Be fresh when you start your final 6 weeks.
The 6 weeks of training will be two 5/3/1 cycles back to back. No deload.
The 3rd week you want to triple your openers.
The 6th week you want to triple something that is around 92% of your planned second attempt.
Use the lower percentages as your āassistanceā work and bust out the reps on those hard.
So on week 1 you do 65%, 75%, 85% x 5 for each. Just hit the 85% x 5. then do 75% for reps and 65% for reps. Leave about 2 reps in the tank each time. So youāre not training to failure, but it certainly constitutes hard work.
On the final week of training donāt do this. Just get the reps in and make sure they feel strong and fast. So train your nuts off for the 5 weeks, then the 6th week get your planned weights in. Rest up the 7th, get your first and second attempts in at the meet, then bust for a PR on the third
(part two)
Paul Carter saidā¦
Yeah deload like a normal deload the 7th week but donāt lift at all the 8th week going into the meet. So you wonāt lift at all 7 days out from the meet.
Let me also clarify the other parts.
Week 3 you will do 5/3/3 ā Do the triple with your planned opener.
Week 6 you will do 5/3/3 ā Do the triple with around 92% of your second attempt. On this week donāt do any of the high rep down sets. Just hit the triple in the final week. Then do the normal deload, and then take the final 7 days before the meet completely off.
Hope this clarifies it.
(remember Wendler recently did a meet basically spur of the moment, and totaled elite raw with knee wraps; pulled 700)
^^^ thank you for your input āpunny guyā.I will take your info into consideration before I make any decision.
[quote]kpsnap wrote:
Thatās my concern with 5/3/1 regarding powerlifting. It seems to focus on rep PRs rather than pushing the envelope on 1 RMs. I should say that Iāve never done 5/3/1, but when thereās a meet on the calendar, it seems like there are better programs to follow. Chime in if Iām wrong here . . .[/quote]
( Warning: Long winded reply)
Maybe im the wrong guy to say any thing about it since im trying to geat the taste of kool aid out of my mouth in the regards to āDeadsā.Ill be the first one to stand up and say that 5/3/1 is a good program.Is it perfect? Nope there is no perfect program.If there was every one would be doing the same thing. Look how guys from āWestsideā train .Then look at how Ed Coan trained.Different but both styles gets results.Im still standing behind what I said in regards to 5/3/1 and my deadlifts.I mean this is my 3rd cycle doing it.Not to mention I did almost eight cycles last year.I know the program is ment to increase strength over the long haul.In my case i have seen increases in my bench ,Mpress and squats(for the record this may had to due to the fact that I said to hell with box squats and relearned how to use the stretch reflex).But i have seen slow but steady gains.But not when it comes to deads other then increase reps in the sub-max range.I have found I can get gains in strength with every thing else with doing reps in that range.But my deads dont improve unless im pulling in the 90%+ range.Before I jumped back on the 5/3/1 wagon again I was pulling 600 from 2 inches below my knee which is harder for me then from the floor.(Ive posted this video before) .This spot has always been where I stall, it has also been a way for me to judge what I can pull from the groud.Its been my Book mark.If I pull it from 2 " below my knee Ive always been able to pull it from the ground.Not to mention that I was pulling close to 700 above the knee. After yesterday I can tell ive gotten weaker in the deads. Its been over 3 1/2 months since ive pulled real heavy.But in the end it comes down to do what works for you.
[quote]hel320 wrote:
Gotta get yourself reuse to the higher weights. Joe hit it. Psyched yourself out a little. Itāll come back. Great player you got there in the son. No hesitation. Charges right in.[/quote]
The boy has more Balls then Brains at times.
[quote]bulldog9899 wrote:
But in the end it comes down to do what works for you.[/quote]
Hereās the meat of your statement. Obviously, the program works well with two out of three of your platform lifts. Maybe you need to customize for DL.
I would really like to try 5/3/1. But I donāt see how I could do it since I have no clue what my maxes are and canāt safely test them. Plus, I canāt do bench or millies for some time. My other concern with the program, which Iāve expressed in the past, is that Iām not good at knowing when enough is enough. I think I would just keep pushing on the money set until I threw my form. Iāve hurt myself several times powerlifting because of ego issues. Since so many of you are devotees of 5/3/1, does anyone else have this problem?
On Setting up the your percentages I would start them higher and keep higher.
Like:
week 1 5ās 77%/82%/90%/90% then 3 sets of 3 @ 80%
Week 2 3ās 83%/88%/93%/93% then 3 sets of 3 @ 85%
Week 5/3/1 just do tripes until last work set 85%/90%/97%/97%
We do the 5/3/1 with 4 āworkā sets with the last one is all outor close too. This seems to help with some guys who have your problem with reps vrs max strength.
Or you could just reset up your Tmax 30-40pds and go from there and keep with the 5/3/1 matrix.
hope this helps
Looking good Bulldog! Youāll figure it out, no worries. Once I get the time Iāll try come with a little DL input.
I find once I miss a deadlift attempt Iām spent. CNS or muscle fatigueā¦I donāt know. Also,deadlift is one of those lifts that if youāre scared of the weight youāre gonna miss the weight. Iām sure with a crowd cheering you on youāll pull 575+.
[quote]kpsnap wrote:
[quote]bulldog9899 wrote:
But in the end it comes down to do what works for you.[/quote]
Hereās the meat of your statement. Obviously, the program works well with two out of three of your platform lifts. Maybe you need to customize for DL.
I would really like to try 5/3/1. But I donāt see how I could do it since I have no clue what my maxes are and canāt safely test them. Plus, I canāt do bench or millies for some time. My other concern with the program, which Iāve expressed in the past, is that Iām not good at knowing when enough is enough. I think I would just keep pushing on the money set until I threw my form. Iāve hurt myself several times powerlifting because of ego issues. Since so many of you are devotees of 5/3/1, does anyone else have this problem?[/quote]
Yep .need to do a major custome job with deads.
My advice on 5/3/1 (for what its worth) .Since you arent at this point able to do alot due to your shoulder issue. I would suggest doing 5/3/1 for some variation of the squat and dead or what ever your able to do. Now understand on the āmoney setsā it not to failure.Youāll have to put your ego under control trust me I know it hard to do. you will want to stop a rep or two short of failure or when your form startes to break down.I assume you know what I mean by the " Max Calculator" Its what us 5/3/1 whores use to get a idea what are maxes are close to .The formula is : weight used X number of reps X 0.0333 + weight used.
Example: Lets say you squat 150 for 10
Step 1: 150 x 10 =1500
step2: 1500 x 0.0333 =50 (I rounded)
Step 3: 50+ 150 = 200 lbs now you have a general" idea" what your squat max is.
Hope this helps.
[quote]FISCHER613 wrote:
On Setting up the your percentages I would start them higher and keep higher.
Like:
week 1 5ās 77%/82%/90%/90% then 3 sets of 3 @ 80%
Week 2 3ās 83%/88%/93%/93% then 3 sets of 3 @ 85%
Week 5/3/1 just do tripes until last work set 85%/90%/97%/97%
We do the 5/3/1 with 4 āworkā sets with the last one is all outor close too. This seems to help with some guys who have your problem with reps vrs max strength.
Or you could just reset up your Tmax 30-40pds and go from there and keep with the 5/3/1 matrix.
hope this helps[/quote]
Damn man. I like this!!Looks pretty mean to me.Thanks. Im also glad to hear im not the only one that has a few issues.
[quote]Schmidt wrote:
Looking good Bulldog! Youāll figure it out, no worries. Once I get the time Iāll try come with a little DL input.[/quote]
Thanks man. Ill take all the imput I can get at this time as I can take.Im at the stage right now 'Im damned if I do and Damned if I dont."