My feeling after thinking more about it is that since I’m not there and I’m not YOU, my advice may not be the correct advice for your situation and I don’t want to be a hypocrite by telling Cheetah to stop advising you without knowing your issues while I was doing the same thing.
I usually do fine with experimenting on myself with stuff that, well, just doesn’t hurt. If deads don’t hurt, I know I would do them, carefully.
One thing you should seriously do is figure out why you got injured in the first place, that advice I feel comfortable about.
[quote]derek wrote:
raindrops wrote:
I had the same thing happen yesterday. Tweaked my back doing squats and had to stop a set short of finishing, but then was able to rdls just fine right after. Different sort of loading on the back I am guessing.
Describe the pain and when it happened (in the ROM, top, mid, bottom etc.)[/quote]
It happened at the bottom. I think my back rounds when I go down really low, my concentration slipped and I went down a little too far. I think it is just a flexibility issue, so I have to work on that.
[quote]raindrops wrote:
Describe the pain and when it happened (in the ROM, top, mid, bottom etc.)
It happened at the bottom. I think my back rounds when I go down really low, my concentration slipped and I went down a little too far. I think it is just a flexibility issue, so I have to work on that.[/quote]
Read #1 and see if it makes you think differently about your squatting. It makes a lot of sense to me.
[quote]derek wrote:
raindrops wrote:
Describe the pain and when it happened (in the ROM, top, mid, bottom etc.)
It happened at the bottom. I think my back rounds when I go down really low, my concentration slipped and I went down a little too far. I think it is just a flexibility issue, so I have to work on that.
Read #1 and see if it makes you think differently about your squatting. It makes a lot of sense to me.
Yeah that does make sense, all my life my spine has been very flexible. As I said above, I went a little lower because I was not concentrating hard enough (big mistake), and went lower than I usually do. My squat has always sucked compared to my other lifts and I am guessing spine flexibility is a big part of that. Thanks for the link, I will try to find out more about this.
One thing you should seriously do is figure out why you got injured in the first place, that advice I feel comfortable about.[/quote]
That is the million dollar question, my only guess is when i went down my back was to arched, and BAM felt like a cramp, and no this
is a first for me.
I like the deads i’am just trying to figure out why not sub them.
What is the disadvantage to the deads, if in fact their is one.
[quote]print wrote:
I like the deads i’am just trying to figure out why not sub them.
What is the disadvantage to the deads, if in fact their is one.[/quote]
I would not want to see you deadlifting 3x per week. I don’t think you’re lumbar region would be very happy.
[quote]derek wrote:
print wrote:
I like the deads i’am just trying to figure out why not sub them.
What is the disadvantage to the deads, if in fact their is one.
I would not want to see you deadlifting 3x per week. I don’t think you’re lumbar region would be very happy.
I’ve done a similar routine to a 5x5 with deads (as a grappler i’ve found that gains from deads carryover better than they do from squats) and it seemed to improve my crush and support grips like nothing else.
It worked really my 3x5 went up just under 40kg in a matter of weeks, although i found that i always have to warm up a lot more when deadlifitng (compared to squatting) when i was following the routine.
Starr’s program(s) has deads done once a week with 4 sets of 5 reps, ramped weights. Is there really an alternative to the deadlift? I’d get your back issues checked out and see if you can star again on deadlifts, get your form down, and progress slowly from there.
Cheeta’s suggestion of using front squats may be something to consider. Front squats put much less stress on your lower back.
Honestly, I am wondering if using front squats on a 5x5 may not be the better option anyway as far as lower back safety goes. The difference in leg muscles targeted by a full front squat and an olympic style back squat should be neglible.
I have also started a 5x5 and my lower back has also started complaining. I am going to take a video of my back squats and try to correct any bad form. If this does not help, I will switch to front squats. I have not ditched the back squats yet because I would like to do 20 rep squats on my next routine and this would be difficult with front squats.