[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
FWIW I hit a 3x bw deadlift today, hence my ressurecting this thread. 605 sumo pull, belt and chalk only, at 200 lbs bodyweight. Yeah me. [/quote]
Great job h4m, sumo ftw.
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I agree now CC, considering my conventional deadlift was at 525 as of 3 weeks ago, and I beat that by 80 lbs now by simply switching to sumo. Hellz yes! Next session going for a touch-and-go double with 585.
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
FWIW I hit a 3x bw deadlift today, hence my ressurecting this thread. 605 sumo pull, belt and chalk only, at 200 lbs bodyweight. Yeah me. [/quote]
Great job h4m, sumo ftw.
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I agree now CC, considering my conventional deadlift was at 525 as of 3 weeks ago, and I beat that by 80 lbs now by simply switching to sumo. Hellz yes! Next session going for a touch-and-go double with 585.[/quote]
Really? Does that mean you’re more hip dominant? I’ve always wondered if I should switch stances since my hips and hamstrings only get sore when squatting, but hardly my quads.
you sir are a hero! thanks you are a great motivation, keep up the good work
Give it a go TDA, can’t hurt you. knock on wood
[quote]TheDudeAbides wrote:
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
FWIW I hit a 3x bw deadlift today, hence my ressurecting this thread. 605 sumo pull, belt and chalk only, at 200 lbs bodyweight. Yeah me. [/quote]
Great job h4m, sumo ftw.
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I agree now CC, considering my conventional deadlift was at 525 as of 3 weeks ago, and I beat that by 80 lbs now by simply switching to sumo. Hellz yes! Next session going for a touch-and-go double with 585.[/quote]
Really? Does that mean you’re more hip dominant? I’ve always wondered if I should switch stances since my hips and hamstrings only get sore when squatting, but hardly my quads.[/quote]
When using lighter weights (up to 70 percent of my 1rm maybe? Estimate) my sumo dl is all legs and drags my squat up along with it. When going above that number (roughly), I turn it into a sumo-SLDL… My hips rise out of the low squatting position first and then I SLDL/RDL the weight up… (guess my low back is just much stronger than my legs due to years of heavy rack pulls while DCing?)
So I don’t think it’s just a question of hip/back dominance. I have trouble getting into conv. DL starting position because I dunno, my upper thighs seem to get in the way (that’s what it feels like, anyway) and my lower back rounds… But going sumo (not super wide… Used to do that, only a few inches of ROM but weak in the starting position and hell on the hips) I have the advantage of having my thighs out of the way and can go all the way down with no rounding (even when semi-stiff legging the weight off the floor at heavier percentages), and with the closer grip it seems infinitely easier to hold the bar even when using a double-overhand grip…
That’s just me, though.
Only problem is that I can’t really go high or even moderate rep any more… Sumo pulls from a dead stop are too taxing for me to do that, so I ramp in threes usually and train it twice a week on average. (no problem for you guys I guess, since most of you seem to favor pulling low rep - multi set anyway, but 1 moderate 1 high served me very well when DCing).
forgot: another problem I had with conv. stance was not just thighs getting in the way when squatting down, but also, when going semi-stiff leg, my calves and hams being too tight or something… So I really had no way of getting into the starting position, squat down or semi-stiff-leg…
No such problems when going sumo with knees out.
I’ve never even tried more than 5 reps with DL, and don’t intend to change that. Never done a single DL working set above 6-7 reps ever since I started moving somewhat repsectable weight, like 3 plates and above. Just not natural.
So CC, even with the kind of weights you’re using, you pull twice a week? That’s encouraging, Cuz I’ve been pulling a shitload lately, and still been getting stronger. And this is of course with only 1 or 2 working sets.
I’m loving this high frequency/intensity, low volume approach, and my body is as well so far.
i could do 3x (515 at 168) but i look skinny as shit. kinda pisses me off…
Well, ya do weigh 168 lbs…
congrats on that pull, H4M. now i gotta get out of this thread before jeminez gets back. that kid is serious business.
lol
3* Dl ouchies !
I’m inching towards it via Sumo, my current Program is not suited to Conv. Deadlift.
Gratz to those who have reached it though !
[quote]coffee wrote:
The first time that you ever do a deadlift and its not 2x bw or higher, you probably wont hit a 3x bw. This is just my opinion.[/quote]
FYI when I first started deadlifting I could max out just a little above bodyweight. So that kinda fucks up that theory…
Great job H4M! I’m jealous, my sumo sucks. 
Sidenote: Both my sumo DL and my squat are way behind my conventional DL. Feels like there should be a correlation here so I’ve decided to put an effort into getting my sumo up in the hopes that it will rub off on my squat.
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
I’ve never even tried more than 5 reps with DL, and don’t intend to change that. Never done a single DL working set above 6-7 reps ever since I started moving somewhat repsectable weight, like 3 plates and above. Just not natural.
So CC, even with the kind of weights you’re using, you pull twice a week? That’s encouraging, Cuz I’ve been pulling a shitload lately, and still been getting stronger. And this is of course with only 1 or 2 working sets.
I’m loving this high frequency/intensity, low volume approach, and my body is as well so far. [/quote]
It should be noted that I do not currently squat (or at least not often)… Everytime I start squatting regularly again, I seem to be developing posterior shoulder pain…
So one Sumo session is just me sticking with ~70 percent of my 1RM or so roughly to improve my squat (as going higher, as mentioned above, changes my technique and makes the lift more of a semi-stiff-legged dl with a wider stance)… I ramp up in threes and then go back down to 50% and ramp back up again… Or I do a double ramp (2 sets at the same weight, increase, 2 sets, increase, 2sets etc)
Basically stop the ramp when I hit the point where my hips rise out of deep squat position first and I then stiff-leg the bar up instead of “squatting” it up.
The other session is twos or threes up to a point where I can still power through the ROM well enough, but not to my actual max. If I feel very strong, I may do a few sets of 2 or 1 at that weight… But most of the time I don’t.
So that makes up half my ham and quad training, and practically all my lower back training atm.
Working well so far…
[quote]buttercup87 wrote:
i could do 3x (515 at 168) but i look skinny as shit. kinda pisses me off…[/quote]
Extremely impressive though!
If you can do that, getting to ~200-215 lbs in half a year or so shouldn’t be a problem with the right approach, unless you’re very short…
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
I’ve never even tried more than 5 reps with DL, and don’t intend to change that. Never done a single DL working set above 6-7 reps ever since I started moving somewhat repsectable weight, like 3 plates and above. Just not natural.
So CC, even with the kind of weights you’re using, you pull twice a week? That’s encouraging, Cuz I’ve been pulling a shitload lately, and still been getting stronger. And this is of course with only 1 or 2 working sets.
I’m loving this high frequency/intensity, low volume approach, and my body is as well so far. [/quote]
It should be noted that I do not currently squat (or at least not often)… Everytime I start squatting regularly again, I seem to be developing posterior shoulder pain…
So one Sumo session is just me sticking with ~70 percent of my 1RM or so roughly to improve my squat (as going higher, as mentioned above, changes my technique and makes the lift more of a semi-stiff-legged dl with a wider stance)… I ramp up in threes and then go back down to 50% and ramp back up again… Or I do a double ramp (2 sets at the same weight, increase, 2 sets, increase, 2sets etc)
Basically stop the ramp when I hit the point where my hips rise out of deep squat position first and I then stiff-leg the bar up instead of “squatting” it up.
The other session is twos or threes up to a point where I can still power through the ROM well enough, but not to my actual max. If I feel very strong, I may do a few sets of 2 or 1 at that weight… But most of the time I don’t.
So that makes up half my ham and quad training, and practically all my lower back training atm.
Working well so far…
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I see. Haha I’m the dumb SOB that likes to DL twice a week (last 3 weeks even more often), and do squat variations of some sort usually twice a week as well…Somehow, it seems to work pretty well. Just need to avoid injuring myself.
/thread
Nice pulls to all that have done 3xBW
and to think my puny 470 at 220 was even decent!
BTW hit 375+100 pounds of chains for a triple today
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
[quote]coffee wrote:
The first time that you ever do a deadlift and its not 2x bw or higher, you probably wont hit a 3x bw. This is just my opinion.[/quote]
FYI when I first started deadlifting I could max out just a little above bodyweight. So that kinda fucks up that theory…[/quote]
Well, not really. I did say probably. If I could make that bet on all humans I would definitely make money.
Congrats on all of the progress. The first time I ever pulled I was well over 2x bw.
back in high school i pulled 505 @ 169 RAW during my juinior year. Since then ive goine on to pull 606 @ 219 RAW. It is much easier to pull a 3xBW at a lighter bodyweight-since strength doesnt increase proportionatly. All i have done for my deadlift training is wide stance box squats/squats, good mornings (round and arch, standing or seated) and various chain pulls (from a deficit, rackpull or from the floor…). Hang cleans also helped a bit. If you just keep listening to your body and training hard and taking the appropriate time off to rest when you need it, you will do really well.