43 yrs old. 5’11" 194lbs 17% currently. been as lean as 170 lbs a few years back when i was running long distance races. been on trt for the past 4 years and want to bump up to something more.
i’ve added Havoc (epistane) in the past with good success but that is as far as I have gotten.
End goal is to lean out as much as possible via diet but not sure where to go with my next cycle.
was going to try PSL’s TRT+ (test c & mast combo) but no longer available.
Is 400 mg test weekly vs 500 mg test weekly noticeably different in theory?
and what would pair best with that blast level test c? i’m obviously open to injecting but not sure where to go. I know tren would assist the cut but am fearful of the sides associated.
Would test c and VAR be a better alternative or is my BF % too high at this moment?
I am open to any suggestions but ask that you clearly define realistic results and dosing protocal to help me decide.
I don’t want to get flamed for asking questions and I honestly feel like I do my homework but I get stuck deciding and therefore do not decide.
Have anastrozole on hand already as well.
Looking for like a 10-12 week cycle if possible.
Thanks in advance.
500 mg test is plus than ok, Im not a huge fan of mast I woulg go for NPP because of your high BF%
In theory over a long time frame, yes. Meaning that if you put a big group on 400, and a big group on 500 and measured stuff like lean body mass change, fat mass change, strength before and after say 6 months, you’d have a statistical difference between the two. But there would be people in the 400 group with far better results than some in the 500 group as individual differences are a huge factor with steroids. But on average if the groups were large enough the 500 group would outperform the 400 group. The average results would be pretty similar though. If we were to do a larger difference in dosing, the differences in results on average would be greater (ex. 400 vs 1500).
i understand the long game of 400 vs 500 in your example. that completely makes sense.
what is your suggestion to couple with Test C if i want to blast for 12 weeks at that dosage?
ultimately my goal is to lean out more so than blow up.
Not so much a suggestion, as I don’t really want to tell people what to do regarding pharma. I can tell you what I’ve had success with though.
The thing about leaning out is that unless you meet a few conditions, you probably aren’t going to add much muscle. Some of those conditions are things like:
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Being a beginner. They haven’t gained much muscle yet, and the body is more willing to put on additional muscle.
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You are a genetic freak. Someone who has good to great genetics for competitive bodybuilding.
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You are willing to use a ton of gear (including things like GH, Slin, and Tren).
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You are really fat. The body is more willing to turn fat into muscle the higher your body fat level is. This is especially true if you are a beginner.
You are probably not any of those things (same as me). With that being said, the goal during the cut is to hold onto your current muscle and strength, and if you are really lucky add a tiny amount of those qualities while losing fat.
The amount of gear needed to hold your muscle while cutting will depend on a few things too (having a ton of development from using gear, how fast you cut…). Since you aren’t a mass monster that got huge with big blasts, I’d think you could likely get close to doing this just with your TRT dose. If you start noticing a dip in performance in the gym, and or a loss of muscle (hard to tell on the latter because some size is lost just from loss of water being on a cut), then I’d go to a light blast of Test only (I am thinking 300-400 mg/wk here). I’d wait until that happens, then I’d start the blast.
I have had good results using semaglutide (the drug in Ozempic). My appetite goes way down. I do get nasty acid reflux, but I can manage it. I prefer that route over an oral, and the results for me are better (and I think it is probably healthier (it is approved by the FDA for weight loss). For me, it almost guarantees a successful cut.
solid information and presented in a way i can digest vs typical bro answers… much appreciated.
i am at the gym daily with 2 rest days, i feel like i have a solid routine and i push myself to within the limits that 3 back surgeries will allow me to (deads, heavy squats, etc are gone these days but i am capable of lifting otherwise to whatever level i realistically want at 43 yrs old).
that said, i feel like i have the “frame” that i want. my shoulders grow most rapidly while my chest lags the most by way of definition. my real issue is any weight gain will always settle into my chest and my stomach and knowing we cannot target visceral fat i do the best i can.
i’m not “fat” at 194 lbs but i carry what fat i have in my chest and stomach. i’ve dieted down to 170 when i was running extensively but it was not sustainable and it was not a good look on me… definition was there but everything seem flat and i looked too thin in my opinion.
i can up my trt dosage but i guess ulitmately wondered if adding anything else would help with that “extra push” for visible results.
The solution for fat in stubborn places is unfortunately getting really lean (unless you do something like liposuction, which might actually be a good route for some IMO). My arms and legs will be shredded (definition and veins everywhere, even upper legs and arms) and I’ll barely have a 4 pack. I have to get even leaner to have good abs. I just store fat on the stomach mostly. It sucks (but to be honest, I am probably about normal, as most guys store fat in these areas). Some guys have similar abs to me and I am like a whole 5 points (sometimes even more) lower on BF%. They are particularly lucky (body fat distribution is hugely underrated for genetics and BBing).
That being said, you probably have to lose more weight than you think to get those areas where you want. You can probably be heavier than when you were running and get the look you want as running isn’t very good if you want to have lots of muscle too. I used to be a runner as well and I am currently about as lean as I was then, but I am 25 lbs heavier (170 vs 195, I’m 5’10" for reference). It takes a long time though to be lean and big, unless you really risk your health. It was like 10 years ago that I was the lean runner (who still did lifting).
What I am talking about here is why I like semaglutide. It just makes it a lot easier to get to a leanness that would be very tough without it. If you go that route, do lots of research. I wouldn’t just say to take it to someone. For me, I like the results and I know my risks and I am good with it.
Yes, but in most cases, stuff like Anavar, Mast, Winny… have a certain look while you take them, and go away after. With gear, it is true that more gear will be more results. However, the trade off is more gear is more worse for you. All of the mentioned drugs are tough on lipids, and liver. The latter two are rough if you are prone to balding (even Anavar is but less so than the others).
10-4.
i will likely bump my trt dosage for a blast at 500 mg and see how that treats me for the time being.
i’m not opposed to semiglutide. my wife has utilized it for recomp purposes in the past and i’ve physically seen the success, but i also see the difficulty she has had in maintaining muscle knowing shes combating a slower digestive response as well as a overall lack of desire to eat enough.
thanks for all the input, i appreciate it.