I’m currently on TRT, 180mg a week, and going to introduce 25mg of Anavar a day for 8 weeks. While on Anavar I’m going to up the TRT to 220mg a week.
Im sitting around 12-15% BF at 6’ 220, my question is after the 8 weeks of Anavar.
Will I keep the fat loss I got from Anavar while still eating at a deficit?
Will I keep any muscle gains or strength gains from the Anavar?
After the 8 weeks I will drop TRT dose back down to 180mg week.
Anavar is an anabolic steroid. Anabolic meaning - it grows cells. So, Anavar grows muscle. It does nothing else. It does NOTHING to the fat. No anabolic steroid does.
No.
You look how you look at 180mgs a week.
When you up the dose, or add stuff you look accordingly to the new doses. Now when you go back to what you are doing now, you slowly return to looking like you do now.
Its like being obese eating 8000kcal a day, then losing fat for 3 months on a low kcal diet, but then going back to 8000kcal… Sooner or later you are back to where you were because you are doing the thing you did when you looked like that.
You won’t gain weight if you eat at a deficit. With or without anavar.
With your stats (if accurate) what gains are you hoping to acquire from 25g of anavar in 8 weeks while being in a caloric deficit?
So my understanding of Anavar and correct me if I’m wrong is that it’s great while doing a cut because it makes your muscles look fuller and helps prevent loosing strength and muscle mass. I have also read that Anavar somehow decreases visceral fat but I’m a bit skeptical about this.
My stats are pretty accurate, will take pictures later and post to confirm with what you guys think my BF % is. I would have to lean more towards the 14-15% BF range. I’m not really looking to “gain” anything just would like to keep the muscle/strength I have while losing fat.
This is awesome if you are competing in BBing or a strength sport in which you need to be a certain weight.
If that doesn’t apply, don’t use extra anabolics for cutting. Cut on your TRT dose. You may lose a bit of muscle with the fat. Muscle comes back really quickly though (much faster than when you initially built it). It comes back even faster with some extra sauce. So use your extra Test and Anavar after the cut. You will quickly have the muscle you started with at the beginning of the cut. You can probably achieve the same results with half the drugs this way. It will take you an extra 4-6 weeks though.
So I already have Anavar being delivered this Saturday, should I hold off on taking it and when would you take it?
I’ll say again. Take it after your cut. AAS are for building muscle. You will have muscle memory on your side too. A tiny bit of extra gear, and muscle memory will have you as muscular as when you started the cut in a few weeks (and you won’t have as much fat on your body).
Cutting cycles are popular because of bodybuilding. It makes sense in that situation. If you’re not doing that, you can get the same results with less gear and slightly more time (the mini cycle at the end of the cut).
Thanks for the advice, much appreciated.
99% of all AAS do this. Your TOT dose of 220mg/wk included and will likely be sufficient in achieving your desired results without the anavar.
I believe this has been debunked on several occasions but don’t have the time to look it up. It doesn’t decrease visceral fat any more than any other AAS
Having done this before, no point in upping test dose. The lower SHBG is going to raise FT anyway, plus the Var is what you want doing the heavy lifting here. Save your test, or make it the focus of your cycle (400-500mg)
What are your goals? That should answer the question for you. If you’d like to be about that leanness after bulking, continue to cut, if you don’t mind being a bit softer after bulking, bulk now.
You and I are fairly close with physique / leanness. I am cutting to be quite lean before I bulk because I want to keep abs all the time. My last bulk started about where I am now (and about where you are) I put on 15 lbs over about 4 months, and didn’t like the look I had at the end.
My goals is probably be a little bigger than where I’m at now and a little leaner at the same time, lol. I was thinking about cutting a little longer before bulking again, I just freaking hate cutting.
What bf% do you think I’m sitting at? Also, since you say we are the same physique how much weight do you think I need to lose to get to the area where you would start bulking up?
Almost everyone one on this forum wants that haha. The difference between people would be how they define “little”.
It’s tough to say with just one picture. People store fat differently. If you have a lot where I can’t see (legs), it may be 16-17%, if your legs are shredded, you could be 12%.
I am a bit shorter (5’10" and change). I am 200 lbs right now. I am thinking cutting to 185 before bulking. Height makes a big difference in regards to weight. In classic physique competitions, they give close to 10 lbs per inch of height. So for you, probably around 205-210 (I think you may be slightly leaner, but close to me), if you want to be diced before bulking.
Me too. I am not really interested in being a mass monster, or having to take the gear required for it. I just want to max out what I can hold on reasonable TRT doses (I take 160 mg/wk).
To do that, I don’t think big blasts make sense, because the muscle gained can’t be maintained on the cruise / TRT dose. It may make sense to some, and that is fine. Just not my cup of tea.
Me too. Hate it.
It looks like you have pretty solid legs. Like you’ve been taking lower body seriously.
As you said not shredded. If I were to guess, I’d say you are between 12-15%, but it doesn’t really matter. What the mirror says is more important. Starting a bulk when you are leaner than you’d prefer is a pretty good strategy since you will probably finish about where you want to be, and not have to cut right away. Plus any muscle you lost cutting will come back super fast in a caloric surplus + gear.
I don’t worry about muscle loss much while cutting, because especially with gear, it’s like going from lean and flat to lean and full in like 3-4 weeks.
Cute dog BTW.
IMO, you have the typical syndrome of wanting to have your cake and eat it too.
As all have said, AAS is for building muscle. Get yourself a bigger “cake”. You can worry about showing its “dressed” look later.
Getting cut is another thing. Why? You clearly have built a good physique without needing to be concerned with being too fat. I say go for the Anavar with a slight surplus, making sure you minimize body fat gain. You can do that with the calipers.
Another thing that bothers me. POSE your thighs. You have some definition. I would like to know how much it appears to be. That pic could be the thighs of a fat guy! This needs a story: I saw Frank Zane at a seminar wearing shorts. Relaxed his thighs looked worse than over 50% of the amateurs I have see on stage. A guy asked Zane if he was hurt and couldn’t work his legs. He pulled his shorts pant leg up a little and flexed his thigh. It appeared to double in size and ripped.
Yes, but to a certain degree. If Anavar would be enough to not lose muscle on a cut, why would pro bodybuilders use a gram of tren with it?
My GF can take 5mgs of Anavar, be on a deficit and grow muscle. If id take only Anavar on a cut id lose size by the day, no matter the dose.
The biggest problem about forums is that when we read different experiences with different drugs, most times we dont see the person.
Thats why we get lots of myths like “take 200mgs of tren and blow up”. Yea, if you are 16yr old and 140lbs and have never trained or eaten in any surplus. Then you “blow up” to some measly 170lbs, still look like shit, but technically the person DID gain a lot, right. Now do the same thing on a grown man whos 250lbs and see him lose muscle by the day, lol.
Now, looking at your pics, id say you are too big to rely on Var.
For your goals - id say 750 test, 500 tren, 2-4ius of GH. Youd probably be able to either recomp or lose weight without changing your diet much. Add cardio, progress on it. After 8-12 weeks pop Var and take it for as long as you want the look you have.
Keep in mind, that as soon as you stop it, the look goes away. Thats why i take stanazolol and anavar 3 months at a time, june, july, august, and then drop it - need it only for the summer months. After that its leather jacket weather, so no use to kill my liver.
I appreciate the advice man, I don’t know if I’m ready to jump that high on Testosterone and also add Tren yet. I’m currently on 240 Test for TRT replacement so when do you think I should add the Var?
I know I have to lose my expectations and goals because of this.
i’ve been attempting the same with some success, but still waiting on my 2nd dexxa scan to confirm it definitely. also on 200mg/TRT. tried anavar but dropped it. according to Layne Norton this is possible. ideally your body will burn excess fat and utilize dietary protein to build muscle. all steroids should support this. you are at the lower end of BF however. it is nonsense to assume to AAS won’t do shit for recomp. my personal addition to what layne in his video says is that it probably depends on your metabolic health a bit, to what extent your body is fat adapted and this is all highly individual.
