[quote]Sxio wrote:
Irish Muscle wrote:
a deep squat of 700 pound is much more impressive than this leg press of ronnies. he did not bring it down far enough, and as for his squats he doesn’t o down far enough either.
Yes. He obviously does not know what he is doing. He really needs you to be his trainer with your amazing knowledge of technique.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
[quote]SkinnySwimmer wrote:
Maybe we should start leg pressing with Ronnie’s ROM? It seems to get the job done[/quote]
No way. If you don’t use “perfect form,” you won’t get results. Just look at Ronnie Coleman and Arnold Schwarzenegger (he did too many cheat curls and thus never built his arms).
[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
SkinnySwimmer wrote:
Maybe we should start leg pressing with Ronnie’s ROM? It seems to get the job done
No way. If you don’t use “perfect form,” you won’t get results. Just look at Ronnie Coleman and Arnold Schwarzenegger (he did too many cheat curls and thus never built his arms).[/quote]
Yeah, this has always driven me nuts. Outside of competitive lifting any form that produces results and doesn’t produce injuries is good form. If it’s moving you toward your goals then what the hell else matters?
[quote]meat1wad wrote:
Irish Muscle wrote:
meat1wad wrote:
Kill’Em All wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Kill’Em All wrote:
im not impressed
whats that a whole 3 inches???
At least Dorian Yates used to go down full ROM.
Dumbest Post of 2007 so far.
EVER SEEN BLOOD AND GUTS?
DORIAN manages to go quite deep.
SORRY MR> X , I am not surprised by leg press as Ive seem a million and a half people over load the weight and go down one inch.
I think he could have actually gone down farther despite his legs.
THats like squating 2 inches and saying whow look at me I squated 700lbs? whats the difference?
The difference is 1,550lbs.
actually dumbass, the difference is about 700 pounds. you can’t compare a squat and a leg press. as a rule of thumb, if you squat 500 pounds then you can leg press 100 pounds. the weight of the load is split in half into 2 different components, one component is verticle and the other component is in the line of action of the leg press.
so with that said, the diference isn’t 1500pounds. i hate people who think they’re strong just because they leg press. the squat is the ultimate test of strength, and to me, a deep squat of 700 pound is much more impressive than this leg press of ronnies. he did not bring it down far enough, and as for his squats he doesn’t o down far enough either.
2250-700 = 1550
Fuck your rule of thumb.
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Not as smart as you think…give that model of leg press, you are moving 70% of the load in reality…HOWEVER the amount of force on the muscle is not the same as whats on the sled. A typical human being has 2.5x more moment force occuring at the bottom of the ROM in a leg press as Opposed to the top. This being said your simple brain cannot even begin to comprehend the amount of moment force acting on his body, not to mention it’s a 2/moment arm closed chain exercise, it’s pretty fuckin hard. There is no way anybody could even come close to going significantly lower than he did. The number on the dumbell or plate says NOTHING of the amount of force acting on the muscle.
Read some fuckin bio-mechanics texts.
BTW, that shit is insane, nobody here even has the joint structure/integrity to handle that shit. It’s prolly due to GH use that he can handle but that detracts nothing from the impressiveness.
[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
CaliforniaLaw wrote:
SkinnySwimmer wrote:
Maybe we should start leg pressing with Ronnie’s ROM? It seems to get the job done
No way. If you don’t use “perfect form,” you won’t get results. Just look at Ronnie Coleman and Arnold Schwarzenegger (he did too many cheat curls and thus never built his arms).
Yeah, this has always driven me nuts. Outside of competitive lifting any form that produces results and doesn’t produce injuries is good form. If it’s moving you toward your goals then what the hell else matters?[/quote]
The majority of weight training injuries occur from poor form/mechanics being applied for long periods of time until a chronic injury results.
[quote]Irish Muscle wrote:
meat1wad wrote:
Irish Muscle wrote:
meat1wad wrote:
Kill’Em All wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Kill’Em All wrote:
im not impressed
whats that a whole 3 inches???
At least Dorian Yates used to go down full ROM.
Dumbest Post of 2007 so far.
EVER SEEN BLOOD AND GUTS?
DORIAN manages to go quite deep.
SORRY MR> X , I am not surprised by leg press as Ive seem a million and a half people over load the weight and go down one inch.
I think he could have actually gone down farther despite his legs.
THats like squating 2 inches and saying whow look at me I squated 700lbs? whats the difference?
The difference is 1,550lbs.
actually dumbass, the difference is about 700 pounds. you can’t compare a squat and a leg press. as a rule of thumb, if you squat 500 pounds then you can leg press 100 pounds. the weight of the load is split in half into 2 different components, one component is verticle and the other component is in the line of action of the leg press.
so with that said, the diference isn’t 1500pounds. i hate people who think they’re strong just because they leg press. the squat is the ultimate test of strength, and to me, a deep squat of 700 pound is much more impressive than this leg press of ronnies. he did not bring it down far enough, and as for his squats he doesn’t o down far enough either.
2250-700 = 1550
Fuck your rule of thumb.
more than half of the load on that leg press is going into the actual leg press machine. not into ronnie, so he was effectivly pushin around 900 pounds i think. he wasn’'t using any stabiliser muscles either so he could push more weight than his usual 800 pound quarter squat.[/quote]
Irish…if you really are Irish…keep your mouth shut…you’re an idiot and you don’t know what the bleep you’re talking about. You’re an embarrassment to my Irish heritage.
[quote]X-Factor wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
CaliforniaLaw wrote:
SkinnySwimmer wrote:
Maybe we should start leg pressing with Ronnie’s ROM? It seems to get the job done
No way. If you don’t use “perfect form,” you won’t get results. Just look at Ronnie Coleman and Arnold Schwarzenegger (he did too many cheat curls and thus never built his arms).
Yeah, this has always driven me nuts. Outside of competitive lifting any form that produces results and doesn’t produce injuries is good form. If it’s moving you toward your goals then what the hell else matters?
The majority of weight training injuries occur from poor form/mechanics being applied for long periods of time until a chronic injury results.
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And you somehow think that over 20 years of serious training without a serious injury is NOT enough time for a “chronic injury” to present itself? For one, considering most pople into heavy weight lifting experience some type of injury if they lift that long, to claim that chronic pain is the result of poor form is pure nonsense. It is because of years of very heavy weight being thrown onto joints and tendons. An injury due to poor form alone would present itself in shorter time than DECADES. Don’t make up shit for no reason.
[quote]Irish Muscle wrote:
Obviously. Thats why he lost the mr. O this year.
man you are an idiot[/quote]
Wow. And you’re wasting this intellect on us? I feel honoured!
Please. Tell me more. Man you are so far ahead of the curve it’s not funny. I just hope the world is ready for your amazing ideas such as ‘squat lower’ and so forth.
lightweight!!!
haha he cracks me up.
Impressive lifts anyway you look at them.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
I don’t care what you think of leg presses or the alleged abbreviated rom, which with his leg size isn’t true anyway, that was a truly herculean feat of strength that left me speechless for several seconds. I wonder what percentage humans ever born could so much as lift that load off the pins?
Exactly. I want to see what rang of motion he is supposed to have with quads around 40" each. You can tell the newbies when they start throwing out criticisms for people who have acheived more than they or most humans ever will.[/quote]
Ya his quads are 40" but if he learned to lighten the weight and move it slowely through a full range of motion they would be 60". Ronnie need a serious lesson on tempo! 10 seconds down and 10 seconds up through the full range of motion.
Well that’s what the guy with the clipborad at Bally’s said to me anyway. I mean he must know cause he has a clipboard, a nice Polo shirt and rock hard Abs at 145 lb!
[quote]Kill’Em All wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
I don’t care what you think of leg presses or the alleged abbreviated rom, which with his leg size isn’t true anyway, that was a truly herculean feat of strength that left me speechless for several seconds. I wonder what percentage humans ever born could so much as lift that load off the pins?
Exactly. I want to see what rang of motion he is supposed to have with quads around 40" each. You can tell the newbies when they start throwing out criticisms for people who have acheived more than they or most humans ever will.
OH YEAH 100 thoushand dollars a year for a drug bill is a real achievement?
Ever seen what Mr. Olympias look like later in life? UNHEALTHY.[/quote]
Ya right! Arnold, franco, Larry scott, Chris dickerson, Samir, Lee Haney all today are all unhealthy bastards! Your a stupid idiot!!! Why the fuck are you on this site, if that’s how you feel???
[quote]Sxio wrote:
Irish Muscle wrote:
a deep squat of 700 pound is much more impressive than this leg press of ronnies. he did not bring it down far enough, and as for his squats he doesn’t o down far enough either.
Yes. He obviously does not know what he is doing. He really needs you to be his trainer with your amazing knowledge of technique.
Yes, Maybe Ronnie doesn’t know what he is doing. He uses sloppy form on most exercises, does not use full ROM, yet possesses one of freakiest physiques ever in bodybuilding. Impeccable genectics and pharmaceuticals are certainly a big factor in his case. Now, for your average "natural’ trainee with even decent genetics, going down 1 inch on leg press with a tonne of weight is going to do jack shit for your leg development. People immediately assume that “big” bodybuilders know what they are doing whenever they train in the gym, without even factoring in some of the points I addressed above. I’m not knocking any of Ronnie’s achievements, because they are truly amazing. I just think it’s fair to say that the average Joe would be disappointed with their results if they applied Ronnie’s techniques.
[quote]Irish Muscle wrote:
meat1wad wrote:
Kill’Em All wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Kill’Em All wrote:
im not impressed
whats that a whole 3 inches???
At least Dorian Yates used to go down full ROM.
Dumbest Post of 2007 so far.
EVER SEEN BLOOD AND GUTS?
DORIAN manages to go quite deep.
SORRY MR> X , I am not surprised by leg press as Ive seem a million and a half people over load the weight and go down one inch.
I think he could have actually gone down farther despite his legs.
THats like squating 2 inches and saying whow look at me I squated 700lbs? whats the difference?
The difference is 1,550lbs.
actually dumbass, the difference is about 700 pounds. you can’t compare a squat and a leg press. as a rule of thumb, if you squat 500 pounds then you can leg press 100 pounds. the weight of the load is split in half into 2 different components, one component is verticle and the other component is in the line of action of the leg press.
so with that said, the diference isn’t 1500pounds. i hate people who think they’re strong just because they leg press. the squat is the ultimate test of strength, and to me, a deep squat of 700 pound is much more impressive than this leg press of ronnies. he did not bring it down far enough, and as for his squats he doesn’t o down far enough either.
edit: i meant to type 1000 pounds for the leg press.[/quote]
THANK YOU< finally a REAL T man, not impressed with the leg PRESS.
I AGREE 100%
also, Dorian did his PRE EXHAUSTED.
Ronnies squat was rather short also, I bet a million bucks that he couldn’t full squat 500lbs.
[quote]Spartan300 wrote:
Kill’Em All wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
I don’t care what you think of leg presses or the alleged abbreviated rom, which with his leg size isn’t true anyway, that was a truly herculean feat of strength that left me speechless for several seconds. I wonder what percentage humans ever born could so much as lift that load off the pins?
Exactly. I want to see what rang of motion he is supposed to have with quads around 40" each. You can tell the newbies when they start throwing out criticisms for people who have acheived more than they or most humans ever will.
OH YEAH 100 thoushand dollars a year for a drug bill is a real achievement?
Ever seen what Mr. Olympias look like later in life? UNHEALTHY.
Ya right! Arnold, franco, Larry scott, Chris dickerson, Samir, Lee Haney all today are all unhealthy bastards! Your a stupid idiot!!! Why the fuck are you on this site, if that’s how you feel???[/quote]
IM MOSTLY TALKING NEW PROS>
Look at Flex Wheeler? Even Dorian Yates , their faces look like cancer victims, watch what ronnie looks like in 10 yrs.
Franco looks like alittle old man, have you seen arnolds latest with his shirt off? very nice man boobs.
WHY Am I ON THIS SITE? NOT TO BLOW SMOKE UP PRO BBs especially ones that dumb a 100 worth of gear up their ass!
Why don’t you go buy a copy of flex?
[quote]Kill’Em All wrote:
Spartan300 wrote:
Kill’Em All wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Tiribulus wrote:
I don’t care what you think of leg presses or the alleged abbreviated rom, which with his leg size isn’t true anyway, that was a truly herculean feat of strength that left me speechless for several seconds. I wonder what percentage humans ever born could so much as lift that load off the pins?
Exactly. I want to see what rang of motion he is supposed to have with quads around 40" each. You can tell the newbies when they start throwing out criticisms for people who have acheived more than they or most humans ever will.
OH YEAH 100 thoushand dollars a year for a drug bill is a real achievement?
Ever seen what Mr. Olympias look like later in life? UNHEALTHY.
Ya right! Arnold, franco, Larry scott, Chris dickerson, Samir, Lee Haney all today are all unhealthy bastards! Your a stupid idiot!!! Why the fuck are you on this site, if that’s how you feel???
IM MOSTLY TALKING NEW PROS>
Look at Flex Wheeler? Even Dorian Yates , their faces look like cancer victims, watch what ronnie looks like in 10 yrs.
Franco looks like alittle old man, have you seen arnolds latest with his shirt off? very nice man boobs.
WHY Am I ON THIS SITE? NOT TO BLOW SMOKE UP PRO BBs especially ones that dumb a 100 worth of gear up their ass!
Why don’t you go buy a copy of flex?[/quote]
Ronnie is over 40 years old. The man has already pushed back the age of competition by showing that many of these guys are looking better into their 40’s when that used to be the cut off for the Master’s Olympia. That alone goes against what you are trying to say. Lee Haney is in great shape, especially for his age.
Flex Wheeler nearly died and currently looks very healthy in spite of the transplant. Most current pics show him looking more healthy than he did when he was competing. He is just smaller.
You actually tried to throw insults at men over 50 years old like Franco Columbo for not looking like they did at 25-30 years of age? How old are you, 15?
This thread has fallen in IQ with every post from you and your friend. Why continue?
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Ronnie is over 40 years old. The man has already pushed back the age of competition by showing that many of these guys are looking better into their 40’s when that used to be the cut off for the Master’s Olympia. That alone goes against what you are trying to say. Lee Haney is in great shape, especially for his age.
Flex Wheeler nearly died and currently looks very healthy in spite of the transplant. Most current pics show him looking more healthy than he did when he was competing. He is just smaller.
You actually tried to throw insults at men over 50 years old like Franco Columbo for not looking like they did at 25-30 years of age? How old are you, 15?
This thread has fallen in IQ with every post from you and your friend. Why continue?[/quote]
Let me ask you this, have you spent much time around GOLD’s Venice? When I lived in LA, I trained there at least 2 a week for close to five years.
I have to say that I saw just about every bodybuilder past and present come trhough those door.
More and more they looked unhealthy the longer it was they were away from bbing.
Its one thing to assume in the magazine, but until you have actually been seen them in person you would understand!
[quote]Kill’Em All wrote:
Ronnie is over 40 years old. The man has already pushed back the age of competition by showing that many of these guys are looking better into their 40’s when that used to be the cut off for the Master’s Olympia. That alone goes against what you are trying to say. Lee Haney is in great shape, especially for his age.
Flex Wheeler nearly died and currently looks very healthy in spite of the transplant. Most current pics show him looking more healthy than he did when he was competing. He is just smaller.
You actually tried to throw insults at men over 50 years old like Franco Columbo for not looking like they did at 25-30 years of age? How old are you, 15?
This thread has fallen in IQ with every post from you and your friend. Why continue?
Let me ask you this, have you spent much time around GOLD’s Venice? When I lived in LA, I trained there at least 2 a week for close to five years.
I have to say that I saw just about every bodybuilder past and present come trhough those door.
More and more they looked unhealthy the longer it was they were away from bbing.
Its one thing to assume in the magazine, but until you have actually been seen them in person you would understand!
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I’m not about to list off names, but I have trained around some of those current guys in the magazines who later moved to Cali. You are making some pretty huge generalizations and the only thing backing them up…is your amazingly ridiculous post history.
I have incorporated, “Yeah, buddy!” and, “Time to bleed!” into my every day lexicon. I have even got the accent down.
Dorian is great, Ronnie is great. Deep enough? Geared up? Who cares! They’re some of the strongest who’ve ever lived. Kaz, Coan, Magnus Ver, Jon Paul, you could go on and on. This leg press deep enough is a bunch of piss.
I credit Ronnie with trusting the damn welds on that machine. Imagine if that machine failed and he got all f’ed up?
[quote]Kill’Em All wrote:
Ronnies squat was rather short also, I bet a million bucks that he couldn’t full squat 500lbs.
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I’ll take this bet.
I just did a little basic math to compare my best squat vs leg press with Coleman’s leg press.
My best squat was 385 x 3. Best leg press was low 1000’s x 5 or 6. I used 1050 to set up the ratio. If Coleman’s ratio is about the same as mine, that would make his squat 825 lbs for at least 3 reps, probably 4 since he did more than 6 on the LP. That’s with out any kind of suit, just knee wraps.
He can probably Squat 1000 or more.