austin, you need to add a few more decimal places because I highly doubt 1 out of every 1000 people can even compare to Kai’s back. 
Kai’s back is most definitely NOT a square.
_/ It might not be a Y or a V but it still has taper. Most guys have quad sweep, Kai just has erector/lat sweep.
[quote]jak3_dude wrote:
austin, you need to add a few more decimal places because I highly doubt 1 out of every 1000 people can even compare to Kai’s back.
Kai’s back is most definitely NOT a square.
_/ It might not be a Y or a V but it still has taper. Most guys have quad sweep, Kai just has erector/lat sweep.[/quote]
People take things a little too literally of course more decimal places need to be added, but the point is when I say something about Kai or any other Pros physique I am talking about him compared to others in the same league.
[quote]Diluted56 wrote:
I dig how Kai’s back looks. I think for his size he has done an amazing job and thats why I love bodybuilding, everyone is different and makes the sport great to watch, debate about and see how each Bodybuilder shows off their genetics and inherent in that, their differences.
I mean Franco had low lat insertions and Kai’s lat poses always remind me of ol lil Columbo![/quote]
what a big fat ass on Franco hehehe what is like 5-7% bf??? joke
kai and franco’s upper chest split is looking similar too. kai’s back is definitely different but those feathered lats, i think it’s one of craziest backs of all time.
*adding love for phil which is rare, just saw a vid of his a 3 wks out…his arms are light yrs ahead of anyone else, amazing.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Over the top Cutler love here. [/quote]
Dude, you say that but you “defend” Kai like its your fucking son…
Come on.
Not everyone likes the same thing you do in bodybuilding.
I like Cutler look better than Kai’s and a lot of ppl do.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
I dont think his back looks good at all. His lat insertions cause them to completely overpower the rest of his back muscles. To me, that isnt appealing. [/quote]
Uh, yeah…how HORRIBLE his back looks.[/quote]
If you could give ME the choice of possessing the back of any bodybuilder in history (instead of my own mortal back) Id have no trouble finding 15 guys to choose from before settling (lol jokes) for Kai’s. It simply doesnt look good to me. And that’s all this sport is about. How things look. I have no problem with others thinking his back looks great. When i picture the ideal shape of a back I see a V or Y shape. Not a square. [/quote]
Kai is like 5’7". For one, he has a short torso compared to guys 3inches taller or more. He deserves credit for filling up a frame like that with that much damn muscle to start with.
The above pic is of Lee Haney. This is the man who caused people to even start noticing big backs in the first place. Most of you would insult him now if you didn’t know who he was.
Kai’s back may not be ideal because of his short torso, but to say it sucks or “doesn’t look good” is just plain lunacy.[/quote]
In addition, I believe Kai poses with a greater degree of spinal concavity and convexity (depending on the pose) than Haney did. That in itself creates the illusion of a shorter and more “filled up” torso.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
I dont think his back looks good at all. His lat insertions cause them to completely overpower the rest of his back muscles. To me, that isnt appealing. [/quote]
Uh, yeah…how HORRIBLE his back looks.[/quote]
If you could give ME the choice of possessing the back of any bodybuilder in history (instead of my own mortal back) Id have no trouble finding 15 guys to choose from before settling (lol jokes) for Kai’s. It simply doesnt look good to me. And that’s all this sport is about. How things look. I have no problem with others thinking his back looks great. When i picture the ideal shape of a back I see a V or Y shape. Not a square. [/quote]
Yeah, but I bet his glide coefficient is pretty decent.[/quote]
I lol’d!
This is what I would like to see as top 5 in order…and after seeing the Vic back training video on another site, I was literally blown away with how he caries his size, most aesthetically pleasing physique I have seen and he is massive.
[quote]zraw wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Over the top Cutler love here. [/quote]
Dude, you say that but you “defend” Kai like its your fucking son…
Come on.
Not everyone likes the same thing you do in bodybuilding.
I like Cutler look better than Kai’s and a lot of ppl do.[/quote]
You are full of shit. You mean like how I “defend” Roelly, Vic, Freeman and everyone else I make specific threads about?
I think Kai deserves to NOT be degraded. That is all. People don’t just say they prefer the look of someone else, they say he SUCKS. They harp about a grapefruit, or call him gay despite his girlfriend. You ignore all of this and then speak out against me because I am the one asking why all of the hate?
How does that make any sense to you at all?
Are some of you really this fucking blind?
I want Phil to win
doubt he will because I doubt that’s the look the judges want.
does look awesome in videos on another site
can someon link me to the GAL thread with the coleman pics can’t see it
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]zraw wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Over the top Cutler love here. [/quote]
Dude, you say that but you “defend” Kai like its your fucking son…
Come on.
Not everyone likes the same thing you do in bodybuilding.
I like Cutler look better than Kai’s and a lot of ppl do.[/quote]
You are full of shit. You mean like how I “defend” Roelly, Vic, Freeman and everyone else I make specific threads about?
I think Kai deserves to NOT be degraded. That is all. People don’t just say they prefer the look of someone else, they say he SUCKS. They harp about a grapefruit, or call him gay despite his girlfriend. You ignore all of this and then speak out against me because I am the one asking why all of the hate?
How does that make any sense to you at all?
Are some of you really this fucking blind?[/quote]
I will agree that some ppl talk shit about Kai. You do NOT defend roelly, vic, etc, you post vids of them saying they are great,etc which they are.
When people criticize Kai you DEFEND him. Its like you cant accept that some ppl wont like him, or the way he acts/acted. Im guessing thats because YOU do like the way he looks and acts and you seem to have, at times, some kind of problem when people tend to think differently from you.
Why would it matter to you if Bonez tought Kai back looked bad compared to the other top pros?
I dont see you talking shit about any bodybuilder except Cutler, why? Your brohawk comment is just as low as all the fruit fucking comments, you do realize that?
Oh and just so its clear, im not criticzing the fact that you do, as I call it, defend him, but more so the fact that you criticize the people (myself included) that likes Cutler better and think he’ll win it and love him and bla bla blan when you are doing the exact same thing with Mr. Greene.
Does that make more sense to you?
Oh btw, did the “full of shit” comment before your argument made you feel any better?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
I dont think his back looks good at all. His lat insertions cause them to completely overpower the rest of his back muscles. To me, that isnt appealing. [/quote]
Uh, yeah…how HORRIBLE his back looks.[/quote]
If you could give ME the choice of possessing the back of any bodybuilder in history (instead of my own mortal back) Id have no trouble finding 15 guys to choose from before settling (lol jokes) for Kai’s. It simply doesnt look good to me. And that’s all this sport is about. How things look. I have no problem with others thinking his back looks great. When i picture the ideal shape of a back I see a V or Y shape. Not a square. [/quote]
Kai is like 5’7". For one, he has a short torso compared to guys 3inches taller or more. He deserves credit for filling up a frame like that with that much damn muscle to start with.
The above pic is of Lee Haney. This is the man who caused people to even start noticing big backs in the first place. Most of you would insult him now if you didn’t know who he was.
Kai’s back may not be ideal because of his short torso, but to say it sucks or “doesn’t look good” is just plain lunacy.[/quote]
I do give him credit, many times over in posts about him. And never came close to saying it sucks. I just dont like the look of it. But theres nothing he can do about the aspects of it that I dont like. I dont think he should be penalized for it. I just dont choose it as the ideal.
[quote]zraw wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]zraw wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Over the top Cutler love here. [/quote]
Dude, you say that but you “defend” Kai like its your fucking son…
Come on.
Not everyone likes the same thing you do in bodybuilding.
I like Cutler look better than Kai’s and a lot of ppl do.[/quote]
You are full of shit. You mean like how I “defend” Roelly, Vic, Freeman and everyone else I make specific threads about?
I think Kai deserves to NOT be degraded. That is all. People don’t just say they prefer the look of someone else, they say he SUCKS. They harp about a grapefruit, or call him gay despite his girlfriend. You ignore all of this and then speak out against me because I am the one asking why all of the hate?
How does that make any sense to you at all?
Are some of you really this fucking blind?[/quote]
I will agree that some ppl talk shit about Kai. You do NOT defend roelly, vic, etc, you post vids of them saying they are great,etc which they are.
When people criticize Kai you DEFEND him. Its like you cant accept that some ppl wont like him, or the way he acts/acted. Im guessing thats because YOU do like the way he looks and acts and you seem to have, at times, some kind of problem when people tend to think differently from you.
Why would it matter to you if Bonez tought Kai back looked bad compared to the other top pros?
I dont see you talking shit about any bodybuilder except Cutler, why? Your brohawk comment is just as low as all the fruit fucking comments, you do realize that?
Oh and just so its clear, im not criticzing the fact that you do, as I call it, defend him, but more so the fact that you criticize the people (myself included) that likes Cutler better and think he’ll win it and love him and bla bla blan when you are doing the exact same thing with Mr. Greene.
Does that make more sense to you?
Oh btw, did the “full of shit” comment before your argument made you feel any better?
[/quote]
Dude, they made a fucking hairstyle by doing what most kids used to do with shampoo while playing in the tub…all while basing it off of a punk style that had actually gained respect but at least required the personal sacrifice of shaving the sides of your fucking head.
No, I do not consider a fucking BROhawk to be respectable no matter who has one.
Also, why would I need to defend Roelly when no one else is talking about how gay he is with no clue of his personal life or even anything else negative?
Cutler, aside from one year LAST year, looks like a refrigerator. He has no lines. There is no Flex Wheeler’esque flow to his body at all and everyone knows this. Therefore, how is it strange to ask why all of the love suddenly when everyone knows he won the last contest pretty much on condition alone?
You want to know who deserves way more credit? Dexter Jackson.
Even after he won an Olympia he still wasn’t promoted as much as either Ronnie or Jay.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]zraw wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]zraw wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Over the top Cutler love here. [/quote]
Dude, you say that but you “defend” Kai like its your fucking son…
Come on.
Not everyone likes the same thing you do in bodybuilding.
I like Cutler look better than Kai’s and a lot of ppl do.[/quote]
You are full of shit. You mean like how I “defend” Roelly, Vic, Freeman and everyone else I make specific threads about?
I think Kai deserves to NOT be degraded. That is all. People don’t just say they prefer the look of someone else, they say he SUCKS. They harp about a grapefruit, or call him gay despite his girlfriend. You ignore all of this and then speak out against me because I am the one asking why all of the hate?
How does that make any sense to you at all?
Are some of you really this fucking blind?[/quote]
I will agree that some ppl talk shit about Kai. You do NOT defend roelly, vic, etc, you post vids of them saying they are great,etc which they are.
When people criticize Kai you DEFEND him. Its like you cant accept that some ppl wont like him, or the way he acts/acted. Im guessing thats because YOU do like the way he looks and acts and you seem to have, at times, some kind of problem when people tend to think differently from you.
Why would it matter to you if Bonez tought Kai back looked bad compared to the other top pros?
I dont see you talking shit about any bodybuilder except Cutler, why? Your brohawk comment is just as low as all the fruit fucking comments, you do realize that?
Oh and just so its clear, im not criticzing the fact that you do, as I call it, defend him, but more so the fact that you criticize the people (myself included) that likes Cutler better and think he’ll win it and love him and bla bla blan when you are doing the exact same thing with Mr. Greene.
Does that make more sense to you?
Oh btw, did the “full of shit” comment before your argument made you feel any better?
[/quote]
Dude, they made a fucking hairstyle by doing what most kids used to do with shampoo while playing in the tub…all while basing it off of a punk style that had actually gained respect but at least required the personal sacrifice of shaving the sides of your fucking head.
No, I do not consider a fucking BROhawk to be respectable no matter who has one.
Also, why would I need to defend Roelly when no one else is talking about how gay he is with no clue of his personal life or even anything else negative?
Cutler, aside from one year LAST year, looks like a refrigerator. He has no lines. There is no Flex Wheeler’esque flow to his body at all and everyone knows this. Therefore, how is it strange to ask why all of the love suddenly when everyone knows he won the last contest pretty much on condition alone?
You want to know who deserves way more credit? Dexter Jackson.
Even after he won an Olympia he still wasn’t promoted as much as either Ronnie or Jay.[/quote]
I have a feeling Dexter is going to make some noise this year. Maybe Glass convinced him that adding some more size even if it means sacrificing a tiny bit of conditioning will get people talking about him and get the judges to notice a change.
[quote]pro-a-ggression wrote:
It just looks weird. Im not saying its not awesome, cos for a back to be that thick and muscular is amazing, but where the lat insert lower into the vertebral column, destroys any chance of a v-taper and makes it look like a tortoise shell.
Sorta looks like rafael from ninja turtles :)[/quote]
Dude, Kai’s back has its own ASS.
[quote]chakademus wrote:
can someon link me to the GAL thread with the coleman pics can’t see it [/quote]
He does not seemed as if he has dialed in his conditioning properly, but thats just my opinion
What’s up with all the hair talk? Are you guys discussing Mr Olympia or Miss Universe?
ok but on a serious note: Does anyone in here really like the “brohawk” (also originally called a fauxhawk)???
Its funny to talk about it being cool but lets be honest… its a super douche haircut/hairstyle
[quote]pro-a-ggression wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pro-a-ggression wrote:
Just stop posting retarded shit and ppl might end up like u. Your training partner is the real deal, your not.[/quote]
You are in NO position to be putting people down. Just because you saw Way and Angrynett do it in another thread doesn’t mean you should too.
You don’t agree with his opinion? Great, refute it like a grown fucking man. Don’t bag on the guy like a weak minded bitch. I know you are better than that.
Any further conversation on this take to PM, lets not clutter up this thread with stupidity.
[/quote]
Buh… CB, the man of reason. Ok so i shouldnt go crazy cos we all no interwebz arguments are stupid, including keyboard warriors. Im a man. Hyena, I apologise for the interwebz battle attack, but… there is a reason as to why your comments get the response they do. They ooze of ego, thats why. Tone it down, and make ur argument with reason, dont sound like a smart-arse but like a smart-man-of-class 
Now… onto the olympia…[/quote]
Please point out in that post where it “oozed of ego”.
I said I don’t like Jay as a winner, and pointed out the glaring flaw that makes me feel that way. That’s as reasonable an argument as I can make. Also, please note that it was only MY opinion I was stating, don’t worry, you can still keep your own.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]zraw wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]zraw wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Over the top Cutler love here. [/quote]
Dude, you say that but you “defend” Kai like its your fucking son…
Come on.
Not everyone likes the same thing you do in bodybuilding.
I like Cutler look better than Kai’s and a lot of ppl do.[/quote]
You are full of shit. You mean like how I “defend” Roelly, Vic, Freeman and everyone else I make specific threads about?
I think Kai deserves to NOT be degraded. That is all. People don’t just say they prefer the look of someone else, they say he SUCKS. They harp about a grapefruit, or call him gay despite his girlfriend. You ignore all of this and then speak out against me because I am the one asking why all of the hate?
How does that make any sense to you at all?
Are some of you really this fucking blind?[/quote]
I will agree that some ppl talk shit about Kai. You do NOT defend roelly, vic, etc, you post vids of them saying they are great,etc which they are.
When people criticize Kai you DEFEND him. Its like you cant accept that some ppl wont like him, or the way he acts/acted. Im guessing thats because YOU do like the way he looks and acts and you seem to have, at times, some kind of problem when people tend to think differently from you.
Why would it matter to you if Bonez tought Kai back looked bad compared to the other top pros?
I dont see you talking shit about any bodybuilder except Cutler, why? Your brohawk comment is just as low as all the fruit fucking comments, you do realize that?
Oh and just so its clear, im not criticzing the fact that you do, as I call it, defend him, but more so the fact that you criticize the people (myself included) that likes Cutler better and think he’ll win it and love him and bla bla blan when you are doing the exact same thing with Mr. Greene.
Does that make more sense to you?
Oh btw, did the “full of shit” comment before your argument made you feel any better?
[/quote]
Dude, they made a fucking hairstyle by doing what most kids used to do with shampoo while playing in the tub…all while basing it off of a punk style that had actually gained respect but at least required the personal sacrifice of shaving the sides of your fucking head.
No, I do not consider a fucking BROhawk to be respectable no matter who has one.
Also, why would I need to defend Roelly when no one else is talking about how gay he is with no clue of his personal life or even anything else negative?
Cutler, aside from one year LAST year, looks like a refrigerator. He has no lines. There is no Flex Wheeler’esque flow to his body at all and everyone knows this. Therefore, how is it strange to ask why all of the love suddenly when everyone knows he won the last contest pretty much on condition alone?
You want to know who deserves way more credit? Dexter Jackson.
Even after he won an Olympia he still wasn’t promoted as much as either Ronnie or Jay.[/quote]
Jay stomps on Kai.