2010 Mr Olympia

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Over the top Cutler love here. He came in great condition last year…but overall shape and aesthetics are nonexistent. You guys really think he has the ideal physique compared to everyone else on stage?[/quote]

No, I think dexter does lol.

I just think it’s Jay’s comp to lose (this year), and that they will not make Kai the “ambassador of the sport” whether or not he deserves it. So as long as Jay doesn’t fuck up, he will win until someone Kai can play Levrone to comes along.

(I will also mention I won’t be upset if I’m totally wrong about this too.)[/quote]

(my edit isn’t going through)

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Victor and then Dexter a few pegs down have the IDEAL shape. All the rest have aesthetic problem areas.

Cutler doesnt have nice shape but his structure is great. Huge shoulder girdle into a strong taper and insane quad sweep. His torso is proportional to his lower half. The way he looked last year is a ‘complete physique’.

Kai’s shape and insertions make his physique very unappealing to me. I dont think his back looks good at all. His lat insertions cause them to completely overpower the rest of his back muscles. To me, that isnt appealing. I acknowledge that the amout of mass there is amazing but I dont appreciate the look of it. His legs look phenomenal from the side but from the front all he has is the lines in vastus lateralis. Biceps are short but peak very high

Heath is a complete mess when it comes to structure and balance. But hes young an has plenty of time to make changes to balance things out. He brought his back up nicely but his chest will always be an aesthetic liability because of his delts and arms.

and then theres branch…

If shape and structure were more important than flex wheeler would have 3+ O’s. Ray would have one etc.

If Victor could ever bring enough size with superb conditioning he’d blow away the field. [/quote]

For all the ppl who hate u for being blunt and honest on these boards, you talk the talk and walk the walk. Much appreciated nut hug

In wat you said, fuck i hate kai’s back, its so fricking ugly, it just looks like a turtle shell and although he get lean jst seems to be a big blob stuck to his back. I do wish the ‘lines’ would come back into it. But, i still love heath’s shape, width is def not good but as you said, if he gets someone with experience to help him out, charles glass? or hany needs to stop focusing on jay, he’ll def be able to reshape himself in some way to make him better.

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You guys are saying Kai’s back looks bad? Look at Jay’s. I’m sure I’ll catch a metric ton of shit for this, cuz most of you hate me already, and you like Jay, but just look at his lat insertions! That is NOT symmetry, and to me, that is why Jay should never have won anything. Don’t get me wrong, the guy is a fucking freak, but when the symmetry doesn’t exist, you shouldn’t be winning.

I don’t know if he tore it, or if that’s the way he was born, but call me a purist, that’s just tough shit. It’s not even close to symmetrical, which, IMO, is why he should never have won anything. You may be huge, but there are other aspects of bodybuilding than just mass (though it helps).

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[quote]Hyena wrote:
You guys are saying Kai’s back looks bad? Look at Jay’s. I’m sure I’ll catch a metric ton of shit for this, cuz most of you hate me already, and you like Jay, but just look at his lat insertions! That is NOT symmetry, and to me, that is why Jay should never have won anything. Don’t get me wrong, the guy is a fucking freak, but when the symmetry doesn’t exist, you shouldn’t be winning.

I don’t know if he tore it, or if that’s the way he was born, but call me a purist, that’s just tough shit. It’s not even close to symmetrical, which, IMO, is why he should never have won anything. You may be huge, but there are other aspects of bodybuilding than just mass (though it helps).[/quote]

His left arm is higher up than the right. His whole body is tilted to the right.

If youre going to argue symmetry you should have just stuck with left arm and leg being bigger than the right side. Also his bro-hawk is asymmetrical. u mad?

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Looking at that picture, a lot of things look jacked…Left trap comes up higher, has less curvature, right trap is thicker, wider at the bottom, Right tri looks a good deal less than the left, etc. Then again, it could just be the picture itself.

Ive honestly never been a huge fan of Jay. Yea he brings the ridiculous size factor that came with trying to keep up with coleman, but he doesnt do it as well. Last year was the only year ive seen him where he actually looked good in that he didnt have a loose flap of skin covering his abs, and his waist was a lot smaller. Proportionally and symmetrically, i totally agree with Hyena and others, i just dont see Jay taking the title again this year, not if a couple of the others dont miss their “On” day.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]Hyena wrote:
You guys are saying Kai’s back looks bad? Look at Jay’s. I’m sure I’ll catch a metric ton of shit for this, cuz most of you hate me already, and you like Jay, but just look at his lat insertions! That is NOT symmetry, and to me, that is why Jay should never have won anything. Don’t get me wrong, the guy is a fucking freak, but when the symmetry doesn’t exist, you shouldn’t be winning.

I don’t know if he tore it, or if that’s the way he was born, but call me a purist, that’s just tough shit. It’s not even close to symmetrical, which, IMO, is why he should never have won anything. You may be huge, but there are other aspects of bodybuilding than just mass (though it helps).[/quote]

His left arm is higher up than the right. His whole body is tilted to the right.

If youre going to argue symmetry you should have just stuck with left arm and leg being bigger than the right side. Also his bro-hawk is asymmetrical. u mad?[/quote]

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]Hyena wrote:
You guys are saying Kai’s back looks bad? Look at Jay’s. I’m sure I’ll catch a metric ton of shit for this, cuz most of you hate me already, and you like Jay, but just look at his lat insertions! That is NOT symmetry, and to me, that is why Jay should never have won anything. Don’t get me wrong, the guy is a fucking freak, but when the symmetry doesn’t exist, you shouldn’t be winning.

I don’t know if he tore it, or if that’s the way he was born, but call me a purist, that’s just tough shit. It’s not even close to symmetrical, which, IMO, is why he should never have won anything. You may be huge, but there are other aspects of bodybuilding than just mass (though it helps).[/quote]

His left arm is higher up than the right. His whole body is tilted to the right.

If youre going to argue symmetry you should have just stuck with left arm and leg being bigger than the right side. Also his bro-hawk is asymmetrical. u mad?[/quote]

I’m not mad, just stating my opinions. Seriously though, its not just this one pose, look at any of his posing routines and you can see the same flaw. He’s just got one whack lat insertion, which in my opinion =/= symmetry, which =/= Mr. Olympia.

Also, I think Kai is gonna have him beat in the “trim waist” department.

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[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]Hyena wrote:
You guys are saying Kai’s back looks bad? Look at Jay’s. I’m sure I’ll catch a metric ton of shit for this, cuz most of you hate me already, and you like Jay, but just look at his lat insertions! That is NOT symmetry, and to me, that is why Jay should never have won anything. Don’t get me wrong, the guy is a fucking freak, but when the symmetry doesn’t exist, you shouldn’t be winning.

I don’t know if he tore it, or if that’s the way he was born, but call me a purist, that’s just tough shit. It’s not even close to symmetrical, which, IMO, is why he should never have won anything. You may be huge, but there are other aspects of bodybuilding than just mass (though it helps).[/quote]

His left arm is higher up than the right. His whole body is tilted to the right.

If youre going to argue symmetry you should have just stuck with left arm and leg being bigger than the right side. Also his bro-hawk is asymmetrical. u mad?[/quote]

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lol, Billy Dee Williams. That guy is the shit.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Also his bro-hawk is asymmetrical. u mad?[/quote]

BroHawks can never be asymmetrical, just one of the scientific phenomenons that makes them so intriguing.

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Brohawk equals pussy mohawk.

They used to have the balls to shave the sides of their head.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Brohawk equals pussy mohawk.
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x2

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[quote]Hyena wrote:
You guys are saying Kai’s back looks bad? Look at Jay’s. I’m sure I’ll catch a metric ton of shit for this, cuz most of you hate me already, and you like Jay, but just look at his lat insertions! That is NOT symmetry, and to me, that is why Jay should never have won anything. Don’t get me wrong, the guy is a fucking freak, but when the symmetry doesn’t exist, you shouldn’t be winning.

I don’t know if he tore it, or if that’s the way he was born, but call me a purist, that’s just tough shit. It’s not even close to symmetrical, which, IMO, is why he should never have won anything. You may be huge, but there are other aspects of bodybuilding than just mass (though it helps).[/quote]

Man your fucking retarded. Every body has flaws, Jay Cutler has always had probs with symmetry in his legs from an injury, a weak link, can make the whole thing come down. A weak leg, means weakness on that side, slight tweaking of form translating into slight weakness in erectors, back etc.

In addition, the side your most dominant in will tend to look more defined, thus appearing bigger. There’s so many factors. And if your talking about golden bb days, where symmetry was everything, even arnie, columbo etc. to coleman, yates, all had some form of unsymmetrical aspect to their physiques, calves, lats especially. The back as a whole is made up of so many muscles that a slight lean while performing an exercises, i weak side, a tight side, all will have an influence on growth in your muscles.

I realise it BB and symmetry, up and down, side to side, legs to arms, back to fron matter, but currently as a whole cutler dominates, or at least did in the years he one. Just stop posting retarded shit and ppl might end up like u. Your training partner is the real deal, your not.

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Correct me if im wrong but BB and symmetry are measured on the basis of equality, not genetic differences. If they are Jay’s genetic insertions than there is nothing he can do about it and hence is not marked down for it. If however the insertions were the same and the muscle size were different, than this would equate to asymmetry in the bodybuilding world and result in being marked down.

Make sense?

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Correct me if im wrong but BB and symmetry are measured on the basis of equality, not genetic differences. If they are Jay’s genetic insertions than there is nothing he can do about it and hence is not marked down for it. If however the insertions were the same and the muscle size were different, than this would equate to asymmetry in the bodybuilding world and result in being marked down.

Make sense?

EDIT… Dont know why this posted twice, sorry ppl.

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Victor Martinez SHOULD win.

Will he? It’s his to lose.

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Does anyone know what happend with Ronnie Colemans comeback?

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[quote]pro-a-ggression wrote:
Just stop posting retarded shit and ppl might end up like u. Your training partner is the real deal, your not.[/quote]

You are in NO position to be putting people down. Just because you saw Way and Angrynett do it in another thread doesn’t mean you should too.

You don’t agree with his opinion? Great, refute it like a grown fucking man. Don’t bag on the guy like a weak minded bitch. I know you are better than that.

Any further conversation on this take to PM, lets not clutter up this thread with stupidity.

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[quote]mckdean wrote:
Correct me if im wrong but BB and symmetry are measured on the basis of equality, not genetic differences. If they are Jay’s genetic insertions than there is nothing he can do about it and hence is not marked down for it. If however the insertions were the same and the muscle size were different, than this would equate to asymmetry in the bodybuilding world and result in being marked down.

Make sense?

[/quote]

I think judges account for everything. Certain things carry more weight though, youre right

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symmetry in the BB sense varies from the typical definition, yes certain things are universal, e.g. a little left quad verse a big right one equals not symmetrical. however symmetry in the BB world means balance from top to bottom and left to right, not so much that the left is or must be the mirror of the right, but more so that the physique being judged works aesthetically, despite variance it contains balance and flow.

to say Kai isn’t but Victor is aesthetic, this is true if you are using the parameters of what are classic lines, e.g. the normative viewpoint.

HOWEVER, things are not set in stone. There may be a new or unique look which then may or may not set a new precedent. Ronnie wasn’t Flex but he made people favor his Picasso to say Flex’s Rembrandt, see what i mean?

To the people who think Markus Ruhl should have won because he’s HHUUUUOOGGGE, despite the variance in how your physical ART is presented it still despite being different must through consensus be deemed pleasing to look at.

This is the reason why Kai’s fan base is so divided, i think his build is unique, different from the others yet still very pleasing to the eye, calling his back bad is just fucking silly, especially if his inner lats are feathered, Kai’s back is one of the greatest ever.

Now Jay’s lower back looks like foreskin on a nude beach, how’s that for being a biased dick huh?

Last point, the bro-hawk is gay as hell, if you rock one then there is a likelihood you might like the ding dong.

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[quote]Hyena wrote:
You guys are saying Kai’s back looks bad? Look at Jay’s. I’m sure I’ll catch a metric ton of shit for this, cuz most of you hate me already, and you like Jay, but just look at his lat insertions! That is NOT symmetry, and to me, that is why Jay should never have won anything. Don’t get me wrong, the guy is a fucking freak, but when the symmetry doesn’t exist, you shouldn’t be winning.

I don’t know if he tore it, or if that’s the way he was born, but call me a purist, that’s just tough shit. It’s not even close to symmetrical, which, IMO, is why he should never have won anything. You may be huge, but there are other aspects of bodybuilding than just mass (though it helps).[/quote]

Pedantic point: the lat inserts at the humerus, you have highlighted the origin.