ZEB: How Bout A Pic?

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[quote]ArnldNaledUrMom wrote:
Are chin-ups pull-ups with your hands facing you instead of away? Because if that is the case 40 chin-ups isn’t really that difficult. I don’t know how many ZEB claims he can do but this is just what I picked up from this post. I am curious though, after reading everyone’s comments, how many pullups (or chin-ups) does he claim he can do?[/quote]

Yeah chinups are pull-ups with a supinated/underhand/palms facing you grip. 40 may not be difficult for you, but for the large majority of people (not even including those who dont train), that’s VERY impressive! Along the same lines, Id say someone who can do 20 chins at 250lbs is just as impressive as someone doing 40 at 175lbs - point being, if you’re going to try to judge someone’s training philosophies, it doesn’t seem logical to base it on strictly how many chins the person can do.

AS far as asking someone to post a pic, as everyone knows, a picture speaks a thousand words. As an example, say you want to hire a personal trainer, and you have 2 guys to chose from - a pudgy weak-looking guy, or a big ripped guy. Naturally, most people would pick the one who’s in great shape, assuming that the other guy is living proof that his methods dont work, or that he doesn’t practice what he preaches, and therefor probably doesn’t know what he’s talking about as far as training goes. Anyway, my point is that Id have a lot more respect for someone’s training methods/ideas if they had an impressive physique to show for it. (not that I have NO respect for someone who has a lousy physique…but it’s a factor).

And on a final note - ZEB, I dont know much about you or your training styles, but to be honest, I lose a little respect when I see you do something like criticizing Pavel and his training methods and saying yours are better. I’m not even a big fan of Pavel, but I think if you’re going to criticize like that, I guess I would expect to see a pretty solid base of support for your argument- and a good picture sure wouldn’t hurt.

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Dave2 -

WTF is your problem? Zeb does chins/pull-ups. Big Damn Deal. You need a pic/video of him doing it to prove he can do it? You send in a pic proving you’re not a panty-wasted girly-boy - cause that’s what ‘everyone’ on the boards are saying about you.

Have you ever asked another poster to prove anything?

I don’t give a rip if Zeb does post about chins every other post - so you ain’t spekin for me when you say ‘everyone’.

You are an ass. And the more you open your mouth - the more you prove it.

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I’d like to chime in here. Dave2 felt I was “spamming” this website when I was only wondering if anyone had had any experience with the Spiraflex stuff. He appeared to grow paranoid when he tabulated the number of posts by myself about the stuff, not knowing that the number of posts was due to not typing in the “http://” portion for the linkage. It was not an attempt to “fill Dave up”. I’ve seen email accounts that insert the “http://” stuff automatically, this site does not.

Has Dave2 posted a pic ? Equality can be hard to defend…

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I think we should adopt an unwritten rule here at the forum…

If you’re gonna talk shit, first post a pic!

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kefu:

Your request is answered.

14 posts in 3 days ? The intention of the original post was only to suggest that the Naut. Pullover was maybe, maybe, worth consideration in a workout. And several of the posts were solicited, not all, some. Just by the way: C.T. even mentioned the value of the Naut. Pullover in one his articles – that’s all I’ll say so as not to seem like a name-dropper.

kefu and Dave2 seem to share a common paranoia, compile running posting profiles for the purpose of identifying the, um, suspect ?

“Bondo” for Franco Columbu ? The guy had one of the best backs in all of bodybuilding: it could be possible he and Arnold worked especially on specific exercises to target the lower lats ? It may have been Synthol, though, with Greg Valentino administering the shots as a young boy at the time.

Tell us about yourself, kefu ??

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F*$king hell everybody - I’ve never read abything as pathetic as this thread on these forums - you sound like a bunch of whinging spoilt bitches.

This is not the sort of community spirit I would expect to find here and it certainly isn’t the attitude I’d expect from T-men - stop being so dam childish. I thought that the guys (and girls too sorry) on this forum were generally quite intellectual and were above the petty arguments and bitchiness that characterises modern society.

Anyway on a related note, I’ve learned a lot of things from some of the more experienced posters - guys and girls like ZEB, Tampa Terry, Phil, Dboy, determinate, vroom, RIT jared and there’s loads of others that I could mention. It would be nice to have some pictures/mugshots of you guys to put a face to the advice…

Cheers everybody

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ZEB:

I, for one, have appreciated your posts. Your experience is solid, so is 30 chinnups.

For some of these postings you have to assess the likelihood: some guy comes on and tries to convince you that 30 ain’t nothing, he’s done 40 ? It’s like a masquerade party: they can claim anything using any kind of form and who’s to verify ? Any person who’s done 40 pullups KNOWS it’s good and KNOWS 30 is, too.

Likelihoods.

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Oceans are wide, mountains are tall.
Zeb is Zeb, Dave2 is Dave2.

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Gee guys, just drop it. What’s the big deal? I found ZEB’s chinup posts rather informative, and so is his advice (outside the political forum, that is. Inside the political forum he is my lifelong enemy :slight_smile:

I really don’t think he mentions them that much, and why don’t you ask someone next time bragging about their PR to post a picture/video?

Although I’d like to see a picture of ZEB as well (pictures on this website are mostly very inspirational, IMHO), if he doesn’t wanna post it, just drop the whole matter.

Don’t hate me…

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I don’t know ZEB in the “real” world, and although I don’t agree with all his posts, his chin/pull up advice is pretty solid.

The point is that if the advice is solid who cares what he looks like? What do/did Verkhoshansky, Siff and Zatsiorsky look like? Are their works invalid because they don’t/didn’t perform to the levels of the atheletes they work/ed with?

If he did post pictures and video, he still would be in a no win situation because there would be the people who would comment that he’s too small/big/fat/lean/etc. There would be others who would criticize his for, or claim that the pictures, or video were edited. Besides aren’t there already too many pictures of guys on this forum???

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[quote]Limbic wrote:
kefu:

“Bondo” for Franco Columbu ? The guy had one of the best backs in all of bodybuilding: it could be possible he and Arnold worked especially on specific exercises to target the lower lats ? It may have been Synthol, though, with Greg Valentino administering the shots as a young boy at the time.
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Are you actually saying arnold and franco used synthol… or even Greg Valentino? Just because they were huge doesn’t mean they used it.

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I think ZEB’s advice is fine. But think: if I wrote FREQUENTLY that I was a deadlift master, and I FREQUENTLY said Dave Tate’s advice on deadlifting was inferior to mine, and I FREQUENTLY reminded everyone - what 300 times, ZEB? - that I could deadlift 900 pounds, then wouldn’t you be curious?

What would my build look like if I could do that? And if I was going speak out against all the published experts like ZEB does, shouldn’t I have to prove something at some point?

So ZEB needs to put up or shut up with the internet guru stuff.

I’m really curious, no negativity intended in my first post. What does a person look like who does such high rep pull-ups? What kind of physique does that create or require? I guess not much of one given how ZEB panicked when asked.

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31 posts 0 pics of zeb…

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Dave:

You think my advice is “fine.” Well thanks…that mean we are pals now? Because I was wondering based on your previous posts…oh my.

Your Dave Tate analogy is not quite right. I have not done the equivalent of “remind everybody” that I can Deadlift 900lbs. I have mentioned on occasion (go count, must be less than 20) how many Chins that I could accomplish.

However, What I have done is mostly field questions regarding the performance of one high rep set of Chins, and other basic Chinning routines. (oops I mentioned it again…301, darn). The fact that those who have tried my methods appreciated the tips and succeeded should be proof enough for you. Moreover, go read my program and give it a try. If it works then you have no complaint. That is if you were sincere in your approach and analysis.

Even my original lengthy post several months back (the one that I was awarded poster of the week for by T-Nation) was prompted by many PM’s regarding various techniques that I shared with fellow T-Men prior to that. These techniques apparently worked well for them and they wanted to know more. Seems that this site is the place for that sort of thing. No? In fact, from this latest explosion of controversy I have gotten several more people who have PM’d me with questions regarding …you guesed it Chinning!

Should I turn these people away? Should I recommend that they train with someones elses chinning routines, when I think mine have worked so well for myself and many others? After all, they have not seen my face how can I be trusted?

Next, you are wrong as I do not “speak out against all the published experts.” Name just two “published experts” that I have spoken out against in my nearly 3000 posts. Surely, if I have spoken out against all of them, it would be easy for you to name just two.

Finally, whatever “published experts” you might be referring to make a living at what they do. Some more than others, but all are at least attempting to make “Coaching” their livlihood. I would post a photo and probably much more if I were charging a fee for my advice. This I have never done, nor will I ever do!

I consider my advice on Chins, or any matter to be one way to pay back this great site for being there for me as a research tool, a place to exchange ideas and also a place to purchase the best tasting protein powder in the country (Grow!). How have you paid back this great site for the many freebies that it provides you? By demanding to see a photo of me? Not good enough my friend.

You can continue your baseless accusations if you like. I will continue to assist any and all who approach me on any fitness or nutrition topic that I can assist them with. We will each be in our own element!

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Tstud:

You need to get a sense of what I was referring to: go to Met Franco Columbu Today by Mike Mahler in Get A Life Forum. Dave2 had a response to my post there.

By the way, I was told Franco weighed near 145 lbs. at his best so he was actually deadlifting over 5 times his bodyweight. We’re talking about an exceptional athlete in Franco. Nobody in their right mind would say he was using Synthol, or Bondo.

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This thread is hilarious!

Zeb, don’t take offense man, I was just trying to be humorous earlier on. Somehow I think you and I don’t catch each other’s humor most of the time.

Seriously though, it’s fair for Dave2 to request a pic. It’s also fair for Zeb to decline. Where does that leave us?

One funny thread for everyone but Zeb and Dave2! :wink:

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One thing is for sure:

ZEB has a hell of a lot of time to spend posting on an internet forum.

Not that I don’t spot out and enjoy posts from recognizable regulars like RIT and others, but there’s a point where a guy just spends too much time on the internet.

I betcha don’t see EverQuest 2 freaks dodging an oppurtunity to show off the level 99 Paladins they’re rewarded with for spending that kind of time online : P

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Vroom: "No no, he’s very good at dodging the question… :stuck_out_tongue: "

Grammar humor! Very cool. Someone’s been reading “Eats, Shoots and Leaves.”

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What a bunch of crap this is.

Zeb does NOT bring up chin-ups every chance he gets…thats ridiculous. Read his posts on political issues…all you will see is conservatism.

A picture doesnt prove anything to me or anyone else. If the man says he can do 30 or 40 chinups, that is impressive and more important to me than having a pretty back would ever be. I guess its about priorities. This might shock some people, but there are plenty of guys out here with good physiques and some real athletic/strength prowess that have no interest in posting any proof of it on the internet.

Lets play devil’s advocate for a second. Lets say Zeb is completely falsifying his chin up numbers. Regardless, his posts on chin up training are excellent and very sound advice. Thats more of a contribution to this forum than I have ever made. Its way more than any of the bitchers here have ever made as well.

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[quote]vroom wrote:
This thread is hilarious!

Zeb, don’t take offense man, I was just trying to be humorous earlier on. Somehow I think you and I don’t catch each other’s humor most of the time.

Seriously though, it’s fair for Dave2 to request a pic. It’s also fair for Zeb to decline. Where does that leave us?

One funny thread for everyone but Zeb and Dave2! ;)[/quote]

I was joking around as well, however, I will say this much. This IS a bodybuilding/weightlifting/powerlifting forum. It only makes sense that at some point in time, the actual progress you have made will be called into question. Does that mean you have to answer with a current photo? No, but in this internet world of brags and boasts, does it really make sense for anyone to say that someone’s progress does NOT matter at all on this forum? So, some 80 year old grandma can log in under the name “built&huge”, post some random basic info on chest presses and no one should ever ask “her” for a photo? Get serious. I know that request may place fear in the hearts of those who don’t appear anything at all like their claims, but don’t attempt to act as if the request is invalid.