Your Peri-Workout Nutrition Experiences

Training
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[quote]zraw wrote:

[quote]Sutebun wrote:

[quote]zraw wrote:
If you can copy/paste that post I can/could comment back on it as I dont remember which post you are refering to or what it contained lol

I can give an update view/review :)[/quote]

Took a bit of searching but found it! Reading Zraws take is what gave me the idea to start this post.

QUOTE ZRAW:

I did a lot of testing tbh

Tried

Gatorade powder + bcaa
Vitargo + Bcaa
Karboload (rice,oat, corn starches) + bcaa
Karbo + casein hydro

AND

CASEIN HYDRO did not feel the same as BCAA

Karbo/vitargo didnt feel the same as gatorade
Vitargo gave the less bloat feeling
I will try vitargo casein hydro soon

Zraw, you’ve made intras using both Peptopro and regular casein hydro correct? Which do you prefer? Regular hydrolysates can be purchased fairly cheap, but the Peptopro stuff costs an arm and a leg. Also any opinion of your own on how whey hydrolysate compares?
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I notice very little difference, if at all, from peptopro vs casein hydro (MAG-10). I personally use MAG-10

I have never tried whey hydro

Cyclic dextrin + MAG-10 is superior to all the choices above though

I know because I feel sluggish 3/4 down my bottle if its MAG-10 + vitargo but have no problem with cyclic dextrin + MAG-10
[/quote]

How much cyclic dextrin do you mix with MAG-10, I’ve been thinking of doing this.

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[quote]Aragorn wrote:
You know they make flavoring right?? lol. You don’t have to choke a bitter pill down. Imo MAG-10 is best used pre/during/post training–befooore your PW meal, while you’re still empty stomach. I also think it comes into its own when cutting and other food is scarce (which would essentially roughly mimic a multiple session per day training camp for athletic competition of some kind from an energy balance standpoint.[/quote]

Yea, I still find it quite bitter even with plenty of the flavoring in it. Certainly a more acquired taste.

I have a whey drink post workout, then eat, then MAG-10 (all with 2-3 hours). I could try to mix the order up, but I really don’t think it is really a game changer for me, especially since each version is basically summed up with “take more”.

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[quote]Brant2 wrote:

So if I had the chance/time to eat a balanced meal 1.30-2.00h before the gym, and then another solid meal right after, I’d skip the shakes and drinks. However that is not my case and therefore I’m a supporter here.[/quote]

Good point.

I wake up, get my shit ready and head to the gym. This week I’ve even cutted out any pre (Unless you count sipping 15 minutes before getting to the gym). It seems to work effective AND allows me to place more calories later in the day when my body is bitching at me to eat.

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[quote]Myosin wrote:

[quote]Aragorn wrote:
You know they make flavoring right?? lol. You don’t have to choke a bitter pill down. Imo MAG-10 is best used pre/during/post training–befooore your PW meal, while you’re still empty stomach. I also think it comes into its own when cutting and other food is scarce (which would essentially roughly mimic a multiple session per day training camp for athletic competition of some kind from an energy balance standpoint.[/quote]

Yea, I still find it quite bitter even with plenty of the flavoring in it. Certainly a more acquired taste.

I have a whey drink post workout, then eat, then MAG-10 (all with 2-3 hours). I could try to mix the order up, but I really don’t think it is really a game changer for me, especially since each version is basically summed up with “take more”.[/quote]

I find it rather bitter too. Lime is the only flavor that covers up that bitterness for me.

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Try mixing flavors. I find that helps a lot. Also, use a little more flavoring than suggested.

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I find some of the Mio flavorings work well. The Mio Fit Berry Blast seems to work especially well with the bitterness of the casein hydro and slight saltiness of the electrolytes.

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I havent tried Plazma yet
but for me I don’t do carbs pre-workout, I save them for post.
I take bcaa before
I tried vitargo, karbolyn, cyclic dextrin , maltodextrin and they all make me feel like taking a nap
I feel a lot more aggressive without carbs just ask bpak and many other bber who feel the same

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[quote]StateOfPsychosis wrote:

[quote]zraw wrote:

[quote]Sutebun wrote:

[quote]zraw wrote:
If you can copy/paste that post I can/could comment back on it as I dont remember which post you are refering to or what it contained lol

I can give an update view/review :)[/quote]

Took a bit of searching but found it! Reading Zraws take is what gave me the idea to start this post.

QUOTE ZRAW:

I did a lot of testing tbh

Tried

Gatorade powder + bcaa
Vitargo + Bcaa
Karboload (rice,oat, corn starches) + bcaa
Karbo + casein hydro

AND

CASEIN HYDRO did not feel the same as BCAA

Karbo/vitargo didnt feel the same as gatorade
Vitargo gave the less bloat feeling
I will try vitargo casein hydro soon

Zraw, you’ve made intras using both Peptopro and regular casein hydro correct? Which do you prefer? Regular hydrolysates can be purchased fairly cheap, but the Peptopro stuff costs an arm and a leg. Also any opinion of your own on how whey hydrolysate compares?
[/quote]

I notice very little difference, if at all, from peptopro vs casein hydro (MAG-10). I personally use MAG-10

I have never tried whey hydro

Cyclic dextrin + MAG-10 is superior to all the choices above though

I know because I feel sluggish 3/4 down my bottle if its MAG-10 + vitargo but have no problem with cyclic dextrin + MAG-10
[/quote]

How much cyclic dextrin do you mix with MAG-10, I’ve been thinking of doing this.
[/quote]

100g + the MAG-10 s makes about 115 iirc. I use 3 scoops MAG-10 and 100g cyclic

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[quote]zraw wrote:

[quote]StateOfPsychosis wrote:

[quote]zraw wrote:

[quote]Sutebun wrote:

[quote]zraw wrote:
If you can copy/paste that post I can/could comment back on it as I dont remember which post you are refering to or what it contained lol

I can give an update view/review :)[/quote]

Took a bit of searching but found it! Reading Zraws take is what gave me the idea to start this post.

QUOTE ZRAW:

I did a lot of testing tbh

Tried

Gatorade powder + bcaa
Vitargo + Bcaa
Karboload (rice,oat, corn starches) + bcaa
Karbo + casein hydro

AND

CASEIN HYDRO did not feel the same as BCAA

Karbo/vitargo didnt feel the same as gatorade
Vitargo gave the less bloat feeling
I will try vitargo casein hydro soon

Zraw, you’ve made intras using both Peptopro and regular casein hydro correct? Which do you prefer? Regular hydrolysates can be purchased fairly cheap, but the Peptopro stuff costs an arm and a leg. Also any opinion of your own on how whey hydrolysate compares?
[/quote]

I notice very little difference, if at all, from peptopro vs casein hydro (MAG-10). I personally use MAG-10

I have never tried whey hydro

Cyclic dextrin + MAG-10 is superior to all the choices above though

I know because I feel sluggish 3/4 down my bottle if its MAG-10 + vitargo but have no problem with cyclic dextrin + MAG-10
[/quote]

How much cyclic dextrin do you mix with MAG-10, I’ve been thinking of doing this.
[/quote]

100g + the MAG-10 s makes about 115 iirc. I use 3 scoops MAG-10 and 100g cyclic[/quote]

Awesome, thanks for your response.

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The only peri-wo nutrition approach you will ever need.

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Jesus Christ that would sit heavy in my guts haha.

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[quote]zraw wrote:

[quote]StateOfPsychosis wrote:

[quote]zraw wrote:

[quote]Sutebun wrote:

[quote]zraw wrote:
If you can copy/paste that post I can/could comment back on it as I dont remember which post you are refering to or what it contained lol

I can give an update view/review :)[/quote]

Took a bit of searching but found it! Reading Zraws take is what gave me the idea to start this post.

QUOTE ZRAW:

I did a lot of testing tbh

Tried

Gatorade powder + bcaa
Vitargo + Bcaa
Karboload (rice,oat, corn starches) + bcaa
Karbo + casein hydro

AND

CASEIN HYDRO did not feel the same as BCAA

Karbo/vitargo didnt feel the same as gatorade
Vitargo gave the less bloat feeling
I will try vitargo casein hydro soon

Zraw, you’ve made intras using both Peptopro and regular casein hydro correct? Which do you prefer? Regular hydrolysates can be purchased fairly cheap, but the Peptopro stuff costs an arm and a leg. Also any opinion of your own on how whey hydrolysate compares?
[/quote]

I notice very little difference, if at all, from peptopro vs casein hydro (MAG-10). I personally use MAG-10

I have never tried whey hydro

Cyclic dextrin + MAG-10 is superior to all the choices above though

I know because I feel sluggish 3/4 down my bottle if its MAG-10 + vitargo but have no problem with cyclic dextrin + MAG-10
[/quote]

How much cyclic dextrin do you mix with MAG-10, I’ve been thinking of doing this.
[/quote]

100g + the MAG-10 s makes about 115 iirc. I use 3 scoops MAG-10 and 100g cyclic[/quote]

Zraw… Have you ever tried Plazma? I’m sure I’m grossly oversimplifying this, but it seems like your 3 scoops MAG-10 plus 100g cyclic dextrin comes out to a fairly similar macro breakdown of 3 servings of Plazma. (~115g carbs for both and 30g protein for your MAG-10/hbcd vs Plazma’s 45g.)

I’ve got a bunch of HBCD that was given to me and I just grabbed a few tubs of MAG-10. Gonna give your protocol a shot, but I still wanna try Plazma haha.

Also, do you sip yours evenly throughout your whole workout? Do you pre-load a significant portion of it before you start training?

I’ve seen “pre-loading” being mentioned as important by Shugart with regards to using Plazma, and with the idea that it’s the rate of increase of concentration of amino acids in the blood that dictates muscle protein synthesis, it makes sense that getting that initial spike in aminos from ingesting a large amount of your workout nutrition up front would be beneficial. Thoughts?

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[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:

[quote]zraw wrote:

[quote]StateOfPsychosis wrote:

[quote]zraw wrote:

[quote]Sutebun wrote:

[quote]zraw wrote:
If you can copy/paste that post I can/could comment back on it as I dont remember which post you are refering to or what it contained lol

I can give an update view/review :)[/quote]

Took a bit of searching but found it! Reading Zraws take is what gave me the idea to start this post.

QUOTE ZRAW:

I did a lot of testing tbh

Tried

Gatorade powder + bcaa
Vitargo + Bcaa
Karboload (rice,oat, corn starches) + bcaa
Karbo + casein hydro

AND

CASEIN HYDRO did not feel the same as BCAA

Karbo/vitargo didnt feel the same as gatorade
Vitargo gave the less bloat feeling
I will try vitargo casein hydro soon

Zraw, you’ve made intras using both Peptopro and regular casein hydro correct? Which do you prefer? Regular hydrolysates can be purchased fairly cheap, but the Peptopro stuff costs an arm and a leg. Also any opinion of your own on how whey hydrolysate compares?
[/quote]

I notice very little difference, if at all, from peptopro vs casein hydro (MAG-10). I personally use MAG-10

I have never tried whey hydro

Cyclic dextrin + MAG-10 is superior to all the choices above though

I know because I feel sluggish 3/4 down my bottle if its MAG-10 + vitargo but have no problem with cyclic dextrin + MAG-10
[/quote]

How much cyclic dextrin do you mix with MAG-10, I’ve been thinking of doing this.
[/quote]

100g + the MAG-10 s makes about 115 iirc. I use 3 scoops MAG-10 and 100g cyclic[/quote]

Zraw… Have you ever tried Plazma? I’m sure I’m grossly oversimplifying this, but it seems like your 3 scoops MAG-10 plus 100g cyclic dextrin comes out to a fairly similar macro breakdown of 3 servings of Plazma. (~115g carbs for both and 30g protein for your MAG-10/hbcd vs Plazma’s 45g.)

I’ve got a bunch of HBCD that was given to me and I just grabbed a few tubs of MAG-10. Gonna give your protocol a shot, but I still wanna try Plazma haha.

Also, do you sip yours evenly throughout your whole workout? Do you pre-load a significant portion of it before you start training?

I’ve seen “pre-loading” being mentioned as important by Shugart with regards to using Plazma, and with the idea that it’s the rate of increase of concentration of amino acids in the blood that dictates muscle protein synthesis, it makes sense that getting that initial spike in aminos from ingesting a large amount of your workout nutrition up front would be beneficial. Thoughts?

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Ive used both! Being in canada and with the 20% discount on Plazma I just switched back to using Plazma as it was coming to the same price per serving but with the added 15g of protein in Plazma + citruline malate + betaine anhydrous or whatever

As far as how I use Plazma and/or cyclic dext + MAG-10 combo I usually user 2L of liquid. Take 500ml 15mins pre workout and “sip” the rest thru my workout! Im usually done by the 3/4 of my workout

Having JUST used Plazma again (today) the difference I notice between Plazma and MAG-10 + hbcd is the way my stomach feel when I’m nearing the end of my jug. With hbcd + MAG-10 I kinda “feel” it in my stomach… its not always pleasant (esp on leg day or if I need to put on a belt, lol). It seems as if, with Plazma, my stomach doesnt feel full, at all

I am not sure what is causing the difference…

Both protocols work great from a result/pump/recovery standpoint though

I had used Plazma when it first released but at that point is wasnt really cost effective compared to MAG-10 + glyco or any hbcd. Now the price difference is pretty small when you look at the price per serving (about 7.50$/workout)

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I’ve used the same thing for a while.

Pre:
1 scoop whey
1/4 cup oats
5g BCAAs

Post:
2 scoops whey
1/4 cup osts
5g BCAAs
5g creatine

It’s always seemed to work well. My workouts are about two hours long 5 days a week and I am able to get through them and recover from them just fine. On chest, shoulder, and arm days I can wake up and go to the gym with that alone. On leg and back days I need a meal a couple hours before hand. I hate most of those trendy stimulant loaded pre-workouts, and don’t have the money floating around for things like Plazma.

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Out of curiosity is there anybody here that doesn’t believe in the “anabolic window”?

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[quote]setto222 wrote:
Out of curiosity is there anybody here that doesn’t believe in the “anabolic window”?[/quote]
You can’t not believe in the anabolic window. However I think a ton of people are very misinformed as to how large the window is. It’s not an hour it’s like a freakin day. So no need to get stressed out if you can’t pound your protein shake .5 seconds after your last set of cable crossovers.

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[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]setto222 wrote:
Out of curiosity is there anybody here that doesn’t believe in the “anabolic window”?[/quote]
You can’t not believe in the anabolic window. However I think a ton of people are very misinformed as to how large the window is. It’s not an hour it’s like a freakin day. So no need to get stressed out if you can’t pound your protein shake .5 seconds after your last set of cable crossovers.[/quote]

Ah! Very well put. I just can’t stand the signs around my gym saying something along the lines of “don’t make today’s workout a waste of time, lock in your gains with a protein shake withing 90 minutes of your last set”.

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[quote]setto222 wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:

[quote]setto222 wrote:
Out of curiosity is there anybody here that doesn’t believe in the “anabolic window”?[/quote]
You can’t not believe in the anabolic window. However I think a ton of people are very misinformed as to how large the window is. It’s not an hour it’s like a freakin day. So no need to get stressed out if you can’t pound your protein shake .5 seconds after your last set of cable crossovers.[/quote]

Ah! Very well put. I just can’t stand the signs around my gym saying something along the lines of “don’t make today’s workout a waste of time, lock in your gains with a protein shake withing 90 minutes of your last set”. [/quote]

I wonder how many of these rules have been financed and pushed my the supplement industry? A lot of trainers make a good chunk of their money off supplements.

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Hey GTL - looking at combining SWF and MAG-10 for peri-workout. How do you dose this? Is it the SWF intra and MAG-10 an hour after?

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[quote]pirate23 wrote:
Hey GTL - looking at combining SWF and MAG-10 for peri-workout. How do you dose this? Is it the SWF intra and MAG-10 an hour after?[/quote]

FWIW I use peptopro and SWF together intraworkout. I’m assuming MAG-10 could just be added to your SWF.