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[quote]SteelyD wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
(Generally) Once you get past the age of 35, you can give up truly massive weight changes…or at least without a cost with regards to health (generally).

If some 40 year old gains 50lbs, chances are his blood pressure will increase drastically (generally). The same is much less likely to occur to someone who is under the age of 30 (generally).

[/quote]

Just wanted to offer a few (general) edits to that post.

As an over 35 under 40 lifter, I’ve put on about 50 or so pounds in less than 2 years. While some may consider me obese, I’m ‘smooth’ but I can see vascularity in my arms/shoulders and just a hint of abzes. Legs, little fat.

My health has not been better in 10 years, this with the addition of 8-10 eggs + 1-2lbs of red meat daily. Of course, I average 5-6 days at the gym per week, and I’m not just fucking off.[/quote]

No argument there, but most of these guys don’t even seem to be training anything like the more serious guys on this board. From what I read, they are more caught up in doing a specific number of reps than making huge gains in strength and size.

I read one of them state he never goes above 6 reps for an exercise but that he has hit a wall as far as gains…and the obvious was not clear to him.

These “guru fan boys” are not the same as us. They are going through the motions while a minority of us push the limits constantly.

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[quote]SteelyD wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
(Generally) Once you get past the age of 35, you can give up truly massive weight changes…or at least without a cost with regards to health (generally).

If some 40 year old gains 50lbs, chances are his blood pressure will increase drastically (generally). The same is much less likely to occur to someone who is under the age of 30 (generally).

[/quote]

Just wanted to offer a few (general) edits to that post.

As an over 35 under 40 lifter, I’ve put on about 50 or so pounds in less than 2 years. While some may consider me obese, I’m ‘smooth’ but I can see vascularity in my arms/shoulders and just a hint of abzes. Legs, little fat.

My health has not been better in 10 years, this with the addition of 8-10 eggs + 1-2lbs of red meat daily. Of course, I average 5-6 days at the gym per week, and I’m not just fucking off.[/quote]

Good stuff. I actually think I made my BEST gains after 30 as far as quality size, too.

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[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:

[quote]SteelyD wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
(Generally) Once you get past the age of 35, you can give up truly massive weight changes…or at least without a cost with regards to health (generally).

If some 40 year old gains 50lbs, chances are his blood pressure will increase drastically (generally). The same is much less likely to occur to someone who is under the age of 30 (generally).

[/quote]

Just wanted to offer a few (general) edits to that post.

As an over 35 under 40 lifter, I’ve put on about 50 or so pounds in less than 2 years. While some may consider me obese, I’m ‘smooth’ but I can see vascularity in my arms/shoulders and just a hint of abzes. Legs, little fat.

My health has not been better in 10 years, this with the addition of 8-10 eggs + 1-2lbs of red meat daily. Of course, I average 5-6 days at the gym per week, and I’m not just fucking off.[/quote]

Good stuff. I actually think I made my BEST gains after 30 as far as quality size, too.[/quote]

i have heard pro BB’s talk about this, they call it muscle maturity or something like that.

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[quote]Kerley wrote:

[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:

[quote]SteelyD wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
(Generally) Once you get past the age of 35, you can give up truly massive weight changes…or at least without a cost with regards to health (generally).

If some 40 year old gains 50lbs, chances are his blood pressure will increase drastically (generally). The same is much less likely to occur to someone who is under the age of 30 (generally).

[/quote]

Just wanted to offer a few (general) edits to that post.

As an over 35 under 40 lifter, I’ve put on about 50 or so pounds in less than 2 years. While some may consider me obese, I’m ‘smooth’ but I can see vascularity in my arms/shoulders and just a hint of abzes. Legs, little fat.

My health has not been better in 10 years, this with the addition of 8-10 eggs + 1-2lbs of red meat daily. Of course, I average 5-6 days at the gym per week, and I’m not just fucking off.[/quote]

Good stuff. I actually think I made my BEST gains after 30 as far as quality size, too.[/quote]

i have heard pro BB’s talk about this, they call it muscle maturity or something like that. [/quote]

That’s not really what “muscle maturity” is referring to. It usually refers to the dense look that guys seem to get when they hit their mid 30’s. Most guys in their early 20’s look “softer” or less “permanent” even when leaner. A guy in his 30’s tends to look like that muscle won’t go anywhere even if they didn’t eat for a week.

I ca agree that I have made very solid gains after 30 years of age, but again, I am talking about the difference between simply continuing to make gains and the act of truly making so much of a weight increase that people don’t even recognize you. It is RARE for that to happen over 35 years of age.

The difference between how I looked at 18 and how I look now is worlds apart. I just don’t see guys in their 30’s blowing up like that. That doesn’t mean you can’t gain muscle over that age.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Kerley wrote:

[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:

[quote]SteelyD wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
(Generally) Once you get past the age of 35, you can give up truly massive weight changes…or at least without a cost with regards to health (generally).

If some 40 year old gains 50lbs, chances are his blood pressure will increase drastically (generally). The same is much less likely to occur to someone who is under the age of 30 (generally).

[/quote]

Just wanted to offer a few (general) edits to that post.

As an over 35 under 40 lifter, I’ve put on about 50 or so pounds in less than 2 years. While some may consider me obese, I’m ‘smooth’ but I can see vascularity in my arms/shoulders and just a hint of abzes. Legs, little fat.

My health has not been better in 10 years, this with the addition of 8-10 eggs + 1-2lbs of red meat daily. Of course, I average 5-6 days at the gym per week, and I’m not just fucking off.[/quote]

Good stuff. I actually think I made my BEST gains after 30 as far as quality size, too.[/quote]

i have heard pro BB’s talk about this, they call it muscle maturity or something like that. [/quote]

That’s not really what “muscle maturity” is referring to. It usually refers to the dense look that guys seem to get when they hit their mid 30’s. Most guys in their early 20’s look “softer” or less “permanent” even when leaner. A guy in his 30’s tends to look like that muscle won’t go anywhere even if they didn’t eat for a week.

I ca agree that I have made very solid gains after 30 years of age, but again, I am talking about the difference between simply continuing to make gains and the act of truly making so much of a weight increase that people don’t even recognize you. It is RARE for that to happen over 35 years of age.

The difference between how I looked at 18 and how I look now is worlds apart. I just don’t see guys in their 30’s blowing up like that. That doesn’t mean you can’t gain muscle over that age.[/quote]

I think I get the muscle maturity thing. My dad hasn’t lifted in the past 10 years and his bis, forearms, and calves are still dense and hard as shit. Hes 5’8’’ 210, he doesn’t have abs or anything but broad shoulders and thick muscles all over. and he can do 16 one handed pushups. old man strength??

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Kerley wrote:

[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:

[quote]SteelyD wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
(Generally) Once you get past the age of 35, you can give up truly massive weight changes…or at least without a cost with regards to health (generally).

If some 40 year old gains 50lbs, chances are his blood pressure will increase drastically (generally). The same is much less likely to occur to someone who is under the age of 30 (generally).

[/quote]

Just wanted to offer a few (general) edits to that post.

As an over 35 under 40 lifter, I’ve put on about 50 or so pounds in less than 2 years. While some may consider me obese, I’m ‘smooth’ but I can see vascularity in my arms/shoulders and just a hint of abzes. Legs, little fat.

My health has not been better in 10 years, this with the addition of 8-10 eggs + 1-2lbs of red meat daily. Of course, I average 5-6 days at the gym per week, and I’m not just fucking off.[/quote]

Good stuff. I actually think I made my BEST gains after 30 as far as quality size, too.[/quote]

i have heard pro BB’s talk about this, they call it muscle maturity or something like that. [/quote]

That’s not really what “muscle maturity” is referring to. It usually refers to the dense look that guys seem to get when they hit their mid 30’s. Most guys in their early 20’s look “softer” or less “permanent” even when leaner. A guy in his 30’s tends to look like that muscle won’t go anywhere even if they didn’t eat for a week.
[/quote]

Beat me to it. But, yes, as I got older I do look harder, whether I am lifting consistently or not.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
If some 40 year old gains 50lbs, chances are his blood pressure will increase drastically. The same is much less likely to occur to someone who is under the age of 30.
I’ve already put my time in. I could go the rest of my life and not bulk up again and I would still be bigger than most people in the gym.

[/quote]

I’d just like to say that at 43, my bp has never been high, or anything other than normal, even when gaining a good amount of weight.

Of course, I’ve been training a long time, so my body is used to what I put it through I suppose…

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[quote]SkyNett wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
If some 40 year old gains 50lbs, chances are his blood pressure will increase drastically. The same is much less likely to occur to someone who is under the age of 30.
I’ve already put my time in. I could go the rest of my life and not bulk up again and I would still be bigger than most people in the gym.

[/quote]

I’d just like to say that at 43, my bp has never been high, or anything other than normal, even when gaining a good amount of weight.

Of course, I’ve been training a long time, so my body is used to what I put it through I suppose… [/quote]

Isn’t that the issue? We are talking about guys who refrain fro getting big until it is too late…as in NOT putting on much size until they hit 40. We are NOT speaking of guys who trained hard UNTIL 40 and beyond.

You take some sedentary guy (or hell, just a really skinny guy who only focused on abs for years) age 40 and have him gain 50+lbs, chances are his blood pressure will sky rocket.

Are guys over 40 getting offended by what I typed?

Short of Lewhitehurst, there aren’t that many really big guys on this site over the age of 35 who look like that so please correct me if guys over 40 are putting everyone here to shame.

Someone who trained hard and made consistent progress all of their life is WAY different than some guy who was scared to eat until 40.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]SkyNett wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
If some 40 year old gains 50lbs, chances are his blood pressure will increase drastically. The same is much less likely to occur to someone who is under the age of 30.
I’ve already put my time in. I could go the rest of my life and not bulk up again and I would still be bigger than most people in the gym.

[/quote]

I’d just like to say that at 43, my bp has never been high, or anything other than normal, even when gaining a good amount of weight.

Of course, I’ve been training a long time, so my body is used to what I put it through I suppose… [/quote]

Isn’t that the issue? We are talking about guys who refrain fro getting big until it is too late…as in NOT putting on much size until they hit 40. We are NOT speaking of guys who trained hard UNTIL 40 and beyond.

You take some sedentary guy (or hell, just a really skinny guy who only focused on abs for years) age 40 and have him gain 50+lbs, chances are his blood pressure will sky rocket.

Are guys over 40 getting offended by what I typed?

Short of Lewhitehurst, there aren’t that many really big guys on this site over the age of 35 who look like that so please correct me if guys over 40 are putting everyone here to shame.

Someone who trained hard and made consistent progress all of their life is WAY different than some guy who was scared to eat until 40.[/quote]

Dude - I’m not offended or anything else, just stating a personal fact about my blood pressure. Lol…

I’ll just bow out of this thread now - carry on. : )

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[quote]Kerley wrote:
serious question (for once) for the bigger guys, how much fat are we talking 15% or more?[/quote]

Come on man. This kind of question is the whole point some of us are trying to make. (Especially me)

I am still gaining weight. I still have abs. I’m not even close to single digits. It’s just teh way I’m set up. 15% will look different on EVERY SINGLE PERSON. Over the past year people have asked me on a few occasions (not often, but a few separate times) if I’ve been dieting. Well I haven’t been and actually I’ve put on a bit of fat. But the muscle I also added completely overshadows it to the point where it looks like Im actually getting in better condition. Some people look good at 20% some dont (most dont). Some people prefer to be extremely lean for as long as possible. Good for them but its virtually pointless to try to stay at that condition if you want to get big. I actually prefer the way I look now (less vascularity in favor of more fullness) compared to when I was 18-19 and completely shredded but about 20 pounds lighter. Putting on some fat while you gain a ton of muscle is different than getting fat

I’m not including the times I have been on AAS. It’s no ones business but for the sake of this thread’s integrity I dont use for any more than 8 weeks in any given year. Less then that these days as I’m still making gains without that stuff.

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[quote]SkyNett wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]SkyNett wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
If some 40 year old gains 50lbs, chances are his blood pressure will increase drastically. The same is much less likely to occur to someone who is under the age of 30.
I’ve already put my time in. I could go the rest of my life and not bulk up again and I would still be bigger than most people in the gym.

[/quote]

I’d just like to say that at 43, my bp has never been high, or anything other than normal, even when gaining a good amount of weight.

Of course, I’ve been training a long time, so my body is used to what I put it through I suppose… [/quote]

Isn’t that the issue? We are talking about guys who refrain fro getting big until it is too late…as in NOT putting on much size until they hit 40. We are NOT speaking of guys who trained hard UNTIL 40 and beyond.

You take some sedentary guy (or hell, just a really skinny guy who only focused on abs for years) age 40 and have him gain 50+lbs, chances are his blood pressure will sky rocket.

Are guys over 40 getting offended by what I typed?

Short of Lewhitehurst, there aren’t that many really big guys on this site over the age of 35 who look like that so please correct me if guys over 40 are putting everyone here to shame.

Someone who trained hard and made consistent progress all of their life is WAY different than some guy who was scared to eat until 40.[/quote]

Dude - I’m not offended or anything else, just stating a personal fact about my blood pressure. Lol…

I’ll just bow out of this thread now - carry on. : )[/quote]

I wasn’t really trying to come down hard on you for that, but the responses were as if I had said that guys in their 40’s can’t gain muscle. Hell, I am pretty much mid 30’s myself.

The main point was that as you get older, there is a need for even more focus on health and what you could get away with at the age of 20 does not always work 20 years later.

Hell, the average college kid can probably get by on 3 hours of sleep a night. If a 40 year old tried that they would be fried in less than a week.

Therefore, guys 30 and younger need to realize how quickly years pass so they can stop bullshitting around as if they have forever to make gains.

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So the concensus is that making gains while in single digit body fat is so unlikely and genetically limiting that it’s not even worth discussing?

I still haven’t heard a response from any of the bigs to my question and original post. While at single digit body fat have you ever been able to gain mass, or is it only newbies or genetically gifted who can achieve this and if it is possible what would you say is average? Or has nobody even attempted it to try gaining while under single digits and thats why there seems to be such a lack of response?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Kerley wrote:

[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:

[quote]SteelyD wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
(Generally) Once you get past the age of 35, you can give up truly massive weight changes…or at least without a cost with regards to health (generally).

If some 40 year old gains 50lbs, chances are his blood pressure will increase drastically (generally). The same is much less likely to occur to someone who is under the age of 30 (generally).

[/quote]

Just wanted to offer a few (general) edits to that post.

As an over 35 under 40 lifter, I’ve put on about 50 or so pounds in less than 2 years. While some may consider me obese, I’m ‘smooth’ but I can see vascularity in my arms/shoulders and just a hint of abzes. Legs, little fat.

My health has not been better in 10 years, this with the addition of 8-10 eggs + 1-2lbs of red meat daily. Of course, I average 5-6 days at the gym per week, and I’m not just fucking off.[/quote]

Good stuff. I actually think I made my BEST gains after 30 as far as quality size, too.[/quote]

i have heard pro BB’s talk about this, they call it muscle maturity or something like that. [/quote]

That’s not really what “muscle maturity” is referring to. It usually refers to the dense look that guys seem to get when they hit their mid 30’s. Most guys in their early 20’s look “softer” or less “permanent” even when leaner. A guy in his 30’s tends to look like that muscle won’t go anywhere even if they didn’t eat for a week.

I ca agree that I have made very solid gains after 30 years of age, but again, I am talking about the difference between simply continuing to make gains and the act of truly making so much of a weight increase that people don’t even recognize you. It is RARE for that to happen over 35 years of age.

The difference between how I looked at 18 and how I look now is worlds apart. I just don’t see guys in their 30’s blowing up like that. That doesn’t mean you can’t gain muscle over that age.[/quote]

my bad i thought it was the same ting Lol

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[quote]AndrewG909 wrote:
So the concensus is that making gains while in single digit body fat is so unlikely and genetically limiting that it’s not even worth discussing?

I still haven’t heard a response from any of the bigs to my question and original post. While at single digit body fat have you ever been able to gain mass, or is it only newbies or genetically gifted who can achieve this and if it is possible what would you say is average? Or has nobody even attempted it to try gaining while under single digits and thats why there seems to be such a lack of response?[/quote]

DUDE?? you got an answer more than once!

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[quote]AndrewG909 wrote:
Or has nobody even attempted it to try gaining while under single digits and thats why there seems to be such a lack of response?[/quote]

I would guess so. And I for one have never been in single digit bodyfat except for when I FIRST started lifting over 30 years ago

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^^ unless I skipped a post, I’ve read about guys doing clean bulks, but putting on fat still and I’ve heard people discuss the fact that you shouldn’t put on too much fat, but I haven’t heard a single person state how many pounds they were able to gain while on single digit body fat. Or did I miss something.

I wouldn’t be surprised if I did, I’m not gunna lie after about the second post my ADD kicked in and I started googling pictures of asian girls. But I’m back on topic now DAMMIT and want an answer to my question

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Why limit yourself to single digit bodyfat when trying to gain more lbm? Give your body calories to swim in, train hard and it will pay off. Sure, you’ll want to keep your bodyfat in check once in a while. But limiting yourself to single digit bodyfat while gaining is limiting yourself in resources for your body to grow.

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^ FML

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[quote]AndrewG909 wrote:
^ FML[/quote]
People want six pack abs while gaining 200 pounds of straight LBM, and without doing work. The world’s an imperfect place.

As with nearly everything else in life, gratification must be delayed to achieve a goal.

Side note: I freaking love this site, it always inspires me to get eating. It’s tough to read X’s posts and not get the urge to start doing some fork/spoon curls.

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[quote]AndrewG909 wrote:
^^ unless I skipped a post, I’ve read about guys doing clean bulks, but putting on fat still and I’ve heard people discuss the fact that you shouldn’t put on too much fat, but I haven’t heard a single person state how many pounds they were able to gain while on single digit body fat. Or did I miss something.
[/quote]

The lack of people coming forward should answer your question.