Your Clean Bulk Gains

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[quote]Spidey22 wrote:
I’ve been training for more then a year now, and I managed to go from 140 to about 210 now, while maintaining my abs the whole time. Now, I did get some many “love handles” and my abs weren’t as defined and deep as they were when i was skinny cross country runner, but i definatly kept a full 6-pack through out. Am I big? noway. I’m 6’3", so 210 doesnt look massove on my lanky frame. but by getting about 1.5 grams per lbs of protein, and keeping carbs in early in the day and around workouts, i think I did as clean a bulk I could have done, even though it wasn’t my intention[/quote]

Guy, at 6’3", you should be EASILY walking around at over 220lbs with minimal effort assuming you actually eat enough to support it.

Look, it amazes me that people are still this confused on this issue. Your goal in the gym is to work ACCORDING TO YOUR OWN GENETICS AND RESULTS, not anyone else’s. I doubt even two other people on this forum have the genetics to match kingbeef as far as being able to gain muscle while staying that lean (further, he may eventually find that to get much bigger than he is will require him to allow more fat gain as well because reaching 200-210 is NOTHING like reaching upwards of 225-230). You would have to be a freaking idiot to keep eating focusing only on how lean you are instead of focusing on whether eating that way is actually allowing you to make gains well above average.

That means, once again, that the goal is not to win some contest as far as who ate the cleanest. the goal is to work in whatever way your genetics dictate that allows you to make the most muscle gains while keeping body fat under some sort of control.

That means yes, the average newbie who jumps into this assuming everyone needs to try to stay under “10% body fat” as they gain is FLAT OUT FUCKING WRONG. Some can get away with that. It doesn’t mean YOU can.

Further, if you are still skinny or are so tall that you “200lbs” still leaves you looking malnourished…please stop responding to posts like this thread as if you already got big based on body weight alone.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Further, if you are still skinny or are so tall that you “200lbs” still leaves you looking malnourished…please stop responding to posts like this thread as if you already got big based on body weight alone.[/quote]

Today I was at my parents house looking at some pictures of myself from 2 years ago, before I started training. I couldn’t help but think “holy shit, I look skinny and tiny in these pictures.” I weighed 195. I don’t understand how people just throw out numbers for bodyweight without any sense of perspective or understanding that numbers are relative.

At the moment I weigh a hair above 260, I have made huge gains but still not well developed at all. Yes, I have gained a fair amount of fat, but who gives a shit? It is means to an end, end meaning “get fucking strong and huge.”

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Get massive as quick as possible and diet down for 15-20 weeks and look freaky > gaining slowly, keeping abs, and never getting truly huge.

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[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
Get massive as quick as possible and diet down for 15-20 weeks and look freaky > gaining slowly, keeping abs, and never getting truly huge.[/quote]

Yes. My plan goes something like this.

  1. Work to get fucking huge for a long time.
  2. GFH

This takes years

  1. Hire a guy like Shelby Starnes
  2. Do everything he says
  3. Look incredible

This takes months

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Did any of you watch the Evan Centopani off-season food prep vids that were floating around not too long ago? That guy does what one would call a “clean bulk” (lean meats, lots of veggies, healthy fats, low GI carbs, etc.). I feel like a lot of big guys eat this way… they just eat a LOT of it to be at a caloric surplus.

Why does everyone get so caught up on this clean/dirty bulk thing? Why not keep things relatively clean but don’t sweat it if you eat a few burgers or pizzas along the way?

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[quote]jo3 wrote:
Did any of you watch the Evan Centopani off-season food prep vids that were floating around not too long ago? That guy does what one would call a “clean bulk” (lean meats, lots of veggies, healthy fats, low GI carbs, etc.). I feel like a lot of big guys eat this way… they just eat a LOT of it to be at a caloric surplus.

Why does everyone get so caught up on this clean/dirty bulk thing? Why not keep things relatively clean but don’t sweat it if you eat a few burgers or pizzas along the way?[/quote]

Tip: Evan didn’t eat like that when he was building most of his foundation. He eats like that NOW after he is already carrying a very dense foundation of muscle. Evan was what most of you would have called “fat” when he was putting on most of his initial size.

No one is against eating “relatively clean”. Most big guys have the sense to keep this in perspective. Who is telling people to only eat junk food?

We are directing words at people who think how clean they eat is top priority. It isn’t.

If some 16 year old kid playing football and running track wants to gain weight but it only eating tuna and plain rice because he thinks that is simply how you do it, they will end up like most of these guys…lifting for years but still looking like a beginner.

People today seem to be afraid to eat…thus why we keep getting posts from newbs outlining some retarded diet as they ignore how little they are eating yet keep changing programs as if THAT is the issue.

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I tried the “just fucking eat” approach because I was frustrated with trying to gain weight while eating clean. I went from 160 to about 200 in 5 months (I’m 5’8"), eating fast food and drinking lots of whole milk, with about half of those lbs being fat. It is the ONLY time people have noticed I was getting bigger, despite training for over two years now. It took me a month to get back to the lean bf% I was at before, now @ 177 lbs. I still feel tiny, and want to gain weight again.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Spidey22 wrote:
I’ve been training for more then a year now, and I managed to go from 140 to about 210 now, while maintaining my abs the whole time. Now, I did get some many “love handles” and my abs weren’t as defined and deep as they were when i was skinny cross country runner, but i definatly kept a full 6-pack through out. Am I big? noway. I’m 6’3", so 210 doesnt look massove on my lanky frame. but by getting about 1.5 grams per lbs of protein, and keeping carbs in early in the day and around workouts, i think I did as clean a bulk I could have done, even though it wasn’t my intention[/quote]

Guy, at 6’3", you should be EASILY walking around at over 220lbs with minimal effort assuming you actually eat enough to support it.

Look, it amazes me that people are still this confused on this issue. Your goal in the gym is to work ACCORDING TO YOUR OWN GENETICS AND RESULTS, not anyone else’s. I doubt even two other people on this forum have the genetics to match kingbeef as far as being able to gain muscle while staying that lean (further, he may eventually find that to get much bigger than he is will require him to allow more fat gain as well because reaching 200-210 is NOTHING like reaching upwards of 225-230). You would have to be a freaking idiot to keep eating focusing only on how lean you are instead of focusing on whether eating that way is actually allowing you to make gains well above average.

That means, once again, that the goal is not to win some contest as far as who ate the cleanest. the goal is to work in whatever way your genetics dictate that allows you to make the most muscle gains while keeping body fat under some sort of control.

That means yes, the average newbie who jumps into this assuming everyone needs to try to stay under “10% body fat” as they gain is FLAT OUT FUCKING WRONG. Some can get away with that. It doesn’t mean YOU can.

Further, if you are still skinny or are so tall that you “200lbs” still leaves you looking malnourished…please stop responding to posts like this thread as if you already got big based on body weight alone.[/quote]

Thank you. I have noticed a lot of guys throw around “I am 200”, “I am 220”, “I am 240” etc.; like just WEIGHING that much means something. Depending upon your frame and proportions, you can look VERY different than a guy who weighs the same. I’m not even 5’8" and the lowest I would EVER go in bodyweight if I seriously cut was 220 and I actually prefer to stay in the 255 to 265 range (and have actually been up to 280), because, FOR ME, that is the size and stage at which I look most powerful and massive and am still able to do what I want to do athletically and physically.

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[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Spidey22 wrote:
I’ve been training for more then a year now, and I managed to go from 140 to about 210 now, while maintaining my abs the whole time. Now, I did get some many “love handles” and my abs weren’t as defined and deep as they were when i was skinny cross country runner, but i definatly kept a full 6-pack through out. Am I big? noway. I’m 6’3", so 210 doesnt look massove on my lanky frame. but by getting about 1.5 grams per lbs of protein, and keeping carbs in early in the day and around workouts, i think I did as clean a bulk I could have done, even though it wasn’t my intention[/quote]

Guy, at 6’3", you should be EASILY walking around at over 220lbs with minimal effort assuming you actually eat enough to support it.

Look, it amazes me that people are still this confused on this issue. Your goal in the gym is to work ACCORDING TO YOUR OWN GENETICS AND RESULTS, not anyone else’s. I doubt even two other people on this forum have the genetics to match kingbeef as far as being able to gain muscle while staying that lean (further, he may eventually find that to get much bigger than he is will require him to allow more fat gain as well because reaching 200-210 is NOTHING like reaching upwards of 225-230). You would have to be a freaking idiot to keep eating focusing only on how lean you are instead of focusing on whether eating that way is actually allowing you to make gains well above average.

That means, once again, that the goal is not to win some contest as far as who ate the cleanest. the goal is to work in whatever way your genetics dictate that allows you to make the most muscle gains while keeping body fat under some sort of control.

That means yes, the average newbie who jumps into this assuming everyone needs to try to stay under “10% body fat” as they gain is FLAT OUT FUCKING WRONG. Some can get away with that. It doesn’t mean YOU can.

Further, if you are still skinny or are so tall that you “200lbs” still leaves you looking malnourished…please stop responding to posts like this thread as if you already got big based on body weight alone.[/quote]

Thank you. I have noticed a lot of guys throw around “I am 200”, “I am 220”, “I am 240” etc.; like just WEIGHING that much means something. Depending upon your frame and proportions, you can look VERY different than a guy who weighs the same. I’m not even 5’8" and the lowest I would EVER go in bodyweight if I seriously cut was 220 and I actually prefer to stay in the 255 to 265 range (and have actually been up to 280), because, FOR ME, that is the size and stage at which I look most powerful and massive and am still able to do what I want to do athletically and physically.[/quote]

The thing is, even if these guys had the genetics, most will never get to that level where they can carry 250+lbs and look relatively lean while doing it because they literally FEAR any extra fat gain more than they have the MOTIVATION to gain that level of muscle mass.

You already know how heavy I’ve been before and I seriously doubt I want to be much under 250 again unless I am doing a show or something. That wouldn’t have happened eating like these guys do…yet they keep arguing…even though I haven’t seen any carrying that level of size yet.

I mean, just to ask…are ANY of the “must eat clean” guys carrying the size that Lewhitehurst is? Anywhere close?

Anyone matching Waylander by completely ignoring his advice?

I mean, every “must eat clean” guy in this thread with arms OVER 18" where you can actually see the biceps, please make yourselves known.

I just want to know what level you all are actually getting to.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Spidey22 wrote:
I’ve been training for more then a year now, and I managed to go from 140 to about 210 now, while maintaining my abs the whole time. Now, I did get some many “love handles” and my abs weren’t as defined and deep as they were when i was skinny cross country runner, but i definatly kept a full 6-pack through out. Am I big? noway. I’m 6’3", so 210 doesnt look massove on my lanky frame. but by getting about 1.5 grams per lbs of protein, and keeping carbs in early in the day and around workouts, i think I did as clean a bulk I could have done, even though it wasn’t my intention[/quote]

Guy, at 6’3", you should be EASILY walking around at over 220lbs with minimal effort assuming you actually eat enough to support it.

Look, it amazes me that people are still this confused on this issue. Your goal in the gym is to work ACCORDING TO YOUR OWN GENETICS AND RESULTS, not anyone else’s. I doubt even two other people on this forum have the genetics to match kingbeef as far as being able to gain muscle while staying that lean (further, he may eventually find that to get much bigger than he is will require him to allow more fat gain as well because reaching 200-210 is NOTHING like reaching upwards of 225-230). You would have to be a freaking idiot to keep eating focusing only on how lean you are instead of focusing on whether eating that way is actually allowing you to make gains well above average.

That means, once again, that the goal is not to win some contest as far as who ate the cleanest. the goal is to work in whatever way your genetics dictate that allows you to make the most muscle gains while keeping body fat under some sort of control.

That means yes, the average newbie who jumps into this assuming everyone needs to try to stay under “10% body fat” as they gain is FLAT OUT FUCKING WRONG. Some can get away with that. It doesn’t mean YOU can.

Further, if you are still skinny or are so tall that you “200lbs” still leaves you looking malnourished…please stop responding to posts like this thread as if you already got big based on body weight alone.[/quote]

Thank you. I have noticed a lot of guys throw around “I am 200”, “I am 220”, “I am 240” etc.; like just WEIGHING that much means something. Depending upon your frame and proportions, you can look VERY different than a guy who weighs the same. I’m not even 5’8" and the lowest I would EVER go in bodyweight if I seriously cut was 220 and I actually prefer to stay in the 255 to 265 range (and have actually been up to 280), because, FOR ME, that is the size and stage at which I look most powerful and massive and am still able to do what I want to do athletically and physically.[/quote]

The thing is, even if these guys had the genetics, most will never get to that level where they can carry 250+lbs and look relatively lean while doing it because they literally FEAR any extra fat gain more than they have the MOTIVATION to gain that level of muscle mass.

You already know how heavy I’ve been before and I seriously doubt I want to be much under 250 again unless I am doing a show or something. That wouldn’t have happened eating like these guys do…yet they keep arguing…even though I haven’t seen any carrying that level of size yet.

I mean, just to ask…are ANY of the “must eat clean” guys carrying the size that Lewhitehurst is? Anywhere close?

Anyone matching Waylander by completely ignoring his advice?

I mean, every “must eat clean” guy in this thread with arms OVER 18" where you can actually see the biceps, please make yourselves known.

I just want to know what level you all are actually getting to.[/quote]

Guys, I never said I was big by any means. My goal currently is to try and reach 230 by then end of the year. My only point was that I went from 140 to 210 while staying lean. Thats what the OP wanted to know; the gains made by people who stayed ‘lean’. So I just was adding my 2 cents. but I never tried to give off the vibe that I’m huge or anything close. Just answering the OP’s question

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A lot of that ability to stay lean while bulking comes down to genetics and metabolism. Just look at Bonez - stays at single digit BF even while bulking - Lanky mentioned Dirty Gerdy - same thing.

Hey, if you can gain 100 + pounds of LBM on 2000 calories a day while staying pretty boy lean, then god bless you. I can’t, but I don’t give a shit about some fat gain if I’m getting bigger and stronger all the time…

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[quote]Spidey22 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Spidey22 wrote:
I’ve been training for more then a year now, and I managed to go from 140 to about 210 now, while maintaining my abs the whole time. Now, I did get some many “love handles” and my abs weren’t as defined and deep as they were when i was skinny cross country runner, but i definatly kept a full 6-pack through out. Am I big? noway. I’m 6’3", so 210 doesnt look massove on my lanky frame. but by getting about 1.5 grams per lbs of protein, and keeping carbs in early in the day and around workouts, i think I did as clean a bulk I could have done, even though it wasn’t my intention[/quote]

Guy, at 6’3", you should be EASILY walking around at over 220lbs with minimal effort assuming you actually eat enough to support it.

Look, it amazes me that people are still this confused on this issue. Your goal in the gym is to work ACCORDING TO YOUR OWN GENETICS AND RESULTS, not anyone else’s. I doubt even two other people on this forum have the genetics to match kingbeef as far as being able to gain muscle while staying that lean (further, he may eventually find that to get much bigger than he is will require him to allow more fat gain as well because reaching 200-210 is NOTHING like reaching upwards of 225-230). You would have to be a freaking idiot to keep eating focusing only on how lean you are instead of focusing on whether eating that way is actually allowing you to make gains well above average.

That means, once again, that the goal is not to win some contest as far as who ate the cleanest. the goal is to work in whatever way your genetics dictate that allows you to make the most muscle gains while keeping body fat under some sort of control.

That means yes, the average newbie who jumps into this assuming everyone needs to try to stay under “10% body fat” as they gain is FLAT OUT FUCKING WRONG. Some can get away with that. It doesn’t mean YOU can.

Further, if you are still skinny or are so tall that you “200lbs” still leaves you looking malnourished…please stop responding to posts like this thread as if you already got big based on body weight alone.[/quote]

Thank you. I have noticed a lot of guys throw around “I am 200”, “I am 220”, “I am 240” etc.; like just WEIGHING that much means something. Depending upon your frame and proportions, you can look VERY different than a guy who weighs the same. I’m not even 5’8" and the lowest I would EVER go in bodyweight if I seriously cut was 220 and I actually prefer to stay in the 255 to 265 range (and have actually been up to 280), because, FOR ME, that is the size and stage at which I look most powerful and massive and am still able to do what I want to do athletically and physically.[/quote]

The thing is, even if these guys had the genetics, most will never get to that level where they can carry 250+lbs and look relatively lean while doing it because they literally FEAR any extra fat gain more than they have the MOTIVATION to gain that level of muscle mass.

You already know how heavy I’ve been before and I seriously doubt I want to be much under 250 again unless I am doing a show or something. That wouldn’t have happened eating like these guys do…yet they keep arguing…even though I haven’t seen any carrying that level of size yet.

I mean, just to ask…are ANY of the “must eat clean” guys carrying the size that Lewhitehurst is? Anywhere close?

Anyone matching Waylander by completely ignoring his advice?

I mean, every “must eat clean” guy in this thread with arms OVER 18" where you can actually see the biceps, please make yourselves known.

I just want to know what level you all are actually getting to.[/quote]

Guys, I never said I was big by any means. My goal currently is to try and reach 230 by then end of the year. My only point was that I went from 140 to 210 while staying lean. Thats what the OP wanted to know; the gains made by people who stayed ‘lean’. So I just was adding my 2 cents. but I never tried to give off the vibe that I’m huge or anything close. Just answering the OP’s question[/quote]

OK. My misunderstanding. At least you aren’t stopping at 210. :slight_smile: You should be able to hit 230, no problem. i would say even 250 or 260 at your height.

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[quote]Spidey22 wrote:

Guys, I never said I was big by any means. My goal currently is to try and reach 230 by then end of the year. My only point was that I went from 140 to 210 while staying lean. Thats what the OP wanted to know; the gains made by people who stayed ‘lean’. So I just was adding my 2 cents. but I never tried to give off the vibe that I’m huge or anything close. Just answering the OP’s question[/quote]

Yes, and the point to you is that no one cares if some guy went from “Auschwitz” to normal (no offense). That doesn’t exact;y take much effort other than NOT starving.

Your height makes that “gain” much less spectacular.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

I mean, every “must eat clean” guy in this thread with arms OVER 18" where you can actually see the biceps, please make yourselves known.

I just want to know what level you all are actually getting to.[/quote]

This was my very question and why I started this thread. To see the progress of others who are remaining in single digit body fat while trying to build muscle. But this simple question of who gains while lean has somehow sparked a debate on how to get big, which seems to happen all the time in these BB forums.

We ALLL understand that bulking is the BEST way to gain muscle, nobody is questioning that. I’m only asking to know the progress of those that are choosing to stay lean all year long. I don’t know why this thread has turned into a pissing contest of who is big and who isn’t. My question is simple, who has gained while lean, and how much??

For all the Hyuuuge guys who perhaps feel offended because they don’t feel like they can contribute to this thread because they bulked to get where they are, let me ask my question a different way. When you HYUGE guys cut for a show or for the summer or what have you, while you are lean are you still making gains and putting on weight or have your gains stalled completely while you’re in your lean faze.

The question is solely regarding gaining muscle while lean, not how to maximize muscle gains, or the best way to gain muscle.

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I eat whatever I want pretty much (no unnecessary sugar) and I stay lean. Am I doing a clean bulk or a dirty bulk? Someone please explain it to me.

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^ I could’ve stated my question more clearly. I wasn’t trying to say a clean bulk as in bulking with clean foods, but rather gaining muscle while maintaining low (single digit) body fat.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
I eat whatever I want pretty much (no unnecessary sugar) and I stay lean. Am I doing a clean bulk or a dirty bulk? Someone please explain it to me.[/quote]

STEROIDS!!!

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[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:

[quote]Spidey22 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Spidey22 wrote:
I’ve been training for more then a year now, and I managed to go from 140 to about 210 now, while maintaining my abs the whole time. Now, I did get some many “love handles” and my abs weren’t as defined and deep as they were when i was skinny cross country runner, but i definatly kept a full 6-pack through out. Am I big? noway. I’m 6’3", so 210 doesnt look massove on my lanky frame. but by getting about 1.5 grams per lbs of protein, and keeping carbs in early in the day and around workouts, i think I did as clean a bulk I could have done, even though it wasn’t my intention[/quote]

Guy, at 6’3", you should be EASILY walking around at over 220lbs with minimal effort assuming you actually eat enough to support it.

Look, it amazes me that people are still this confused on this issue. Your goal in the gym is to work ACCORDING TO YOUR OWN GENETICS AND RESULTS, not anyone else’s. I doubt even two other people on this forum have the genetics to match kingbeef as far as being able to gain muscle while staying that lean (further, he may eventually find that to get much bigger than he is will require him to allow more fat gain as well because reaching 200-210 is NOTHING like reaching upwards of 225-230). You would have to be a freaking idiot to keep eating focusing only on how lean you are instead of focusing on whether eating that way is actually allowing you to make gains well above average.

That means, once again, that the goal is not to win some contest as far as who ate the cleanest. the goal is to work in whatever way your genetics dictate that allows you to make the most muscle gains while keeping body fat under some sort of control.

That means yes, the average newbie who jumps into this assuming everyone needs to try to stay under “10% body fat” as they gain is FLAT OUT FUCKING WRONG. Some can get away with that. It doesn’t mean YOU can.

Further, if you are still skinny or are so tall that you “200lbs” still leaves you looking malnourished…please stop responding to posts like this thread as if you already got big based on body weight alone.[/quote]

Thank you. I have noticed a lot of guys throw around “I am 200”, “I am 220”, “I am 240” etc.; like just WEIGHING that much means something. Depending upon your frame and proportions, you can look VERY different than a guy who weighs the same. I’m not even 5’8" and the lowest I would EVER go in bodyweight if I seriously cut was 220 and I actually prefer to stay in the 255 to 265 range (and have actually been up to 280), because, FOR ME, that is the size and stage at which I look most powerful and massive and am still able to do what I want to do athletically and physically.[/quote]

The thing is, even if these guys had the genetics, most will never get to that level where they can carry 250+lbs and look relatively lean while doing it because they literally FEAR any extra fat gain more than they have the MOTIVATION to gain that level of muscle mass.

You already know how heavy I’ve been before and I seriously doubt I want to be much under 250 again unless I am doing a show or something. That wouldn’t have happened eating like these guys do…yet they keep arguing…even though I haven’t seen any carrying that level of size yet.

I mean, just to ask…are ANY of the “must eat clean” guys carrying the size that Lewhitehurst is? Anywhere close?

Anyone matching Waylander by completely ignoring his advice?

I mean, every “must eat clean” guy in this thread with arms OVER 18" where you can actually see the biceps, please make yourselves known.

I just want to know what level you all are actually getting to.[/quote]

Guys, I never said I was big by any means. My goal currently is to try and reach 230 by then end of the year. My only point was that I went from 140 to 210 while staying lean. Thats what the OP wanted to know; the gains made by people who stayed ‘lean’. So I just was adding my 2 cents. but I never tried to give off the vibe that I’m huge or anything close. Just answering the OP’s question[/quote]

OK. My misunderstanding. At least you aren’t stopping at 210. :slight_smile: You should be able to hit 230, no problem. i would say even 250 or 260 at your height.[/quote]

yes, currently my BIG goal is 270. But like i’ve said, I’ve never tried to ‘clean bulk’. I just have a crazy metabolism, plus i dont eat food that see carries no nutritional value (candy, potato chips, ect.) all I tried to get across was that a good deal of weight gain IS possible with little fat gain, though the biggest factors at play are probably genetic (height, metabolism, ect)

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[quote]Kerley wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
I eat whatever I want pretty much (no unnecessary sugar) and I stay lean. Am I doing a clean bulk or a dirty bulk? Someone please explain it to me.[/quote]

STEROIDS!!![/quote]

You have opened up a can of shit worms my friend.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Spidey22 wrote:

Guys, I never said I was big by any means. My goal currently is to try and reach 230 by then end of the year. My only point was that I went from 140 to 210 while staying lean. Thats what the OP wanted to know; the gains made by people who stayed ‘lean’. So I just was adding my 2 cents. but I never tried to give off the vibe that I’m huge or anything close. Just answering the OP’s question[/quote]

Yes, and the point to you is that no one cares if some guy went from “Auschwitz” to normal (no offense). That doesn’t exact;y take much effort other than NOT starving.

Your height makes that “gain” much less spectacular.[/quote]

none taken, as I was pathetically skinny. Though I wasn’t really starving myself, it’s just how majority of my family is. We stay naturally at low bodyweights with little fat. It wasn’t horribly hard for me to get up to 210, but it did take alot of overfeeding to try and fight my metabolism, on top of having a job that probably burns a shit load of calories. But theres no way I think I’ll ever get to say 250 staying this lean. Luckily, Ill be graduatiing and going to college in the fall, which means ill have 24/7 access to an all you can eat cafeteria =)