[quote]cubuff2028 wrote:
[quote]Waittz wrote:
In my opinion(see how that works people?)
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“i feel”, “i think”, “in my opinion” … textbook weak prose. We know it’s your opinion. How? You wrote it. See how THAT works? [/quote]
Kind of my point, seeing how some people write ‘in reality it is this’ or ‘the fact is’ when it is their opinion.
[quote]Waittz wrote:
[quote]cubuff2028 wrote:
[quote]Waittz wrote:
In my opinion(see how that works people?)
[/quote]
“i feel”, “i think”, “in my opinion” … textbook weak prose. We know it’s your opinion. How? You wrote it. See how THAT works? [/quote]
Kind of my point, seeing how some people write ‘in reality it is this’ or ‘the fact is’ when it is their opinion. [/quote]
this is an online forum. it’s all opinion! we know this (i hope!)
[quote]Waittz wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
id argue that you aren’t “worthy” of a such a woman… she maintained her decency and her innocence as you played around in slop.
i’d chalk it up to dumb luck, no doing of your own.[/quote]
You realize that you are a 24 year old virgin drug using babbysitter with no real career or life accomplishments right? You think your shit attitude has anything to do with it?
Maybe you should actually take my advice and stop being such a miserable curmudgeon trying to shit on a very successful and happy person for reasons that are very obvious to everyone but you. [/quote]
I don’t think you understand Waittz. His virginity trumps his status as a pincushin jerkoff and makes him more worthy of your fiance than you are.
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]Waittz wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
id argue that you aren’t “worthy” of a such a woman… she maintained her decency and her innocence as you played around in slop.
i’d chalk it up to dumb luck, no doing of your own.[/quote]
You realize that you are a 24 year old virgin drug using babbysitter with no real career or life accomplishments right? You think your shit attitude has anything to do with it?
Maybe you should actually take my advice and stop being such a miserable curmudgeon trying to shit on a very successful and happy person for reasons that are very obvious to everyone but you. [/quote]
I don’t think you understand Waittz. His virginity trumps his status as a pincushin jerkoff and makes him more worthy of your fiance than you are.[/quote]
But what about all my money and good looks?
Csulli where are you in real life? I wanna have a beer with you one day.
[quote]Waittz wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]Waittz wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
id argue that you aren’t “worthy” of a such a woman… she maintained her decency and her innocence as you played around in slop.
i’d chalk it up to dumb luck, no doing of your own.[/quote]
You realize that you are a 24 year old virgin drug using babbysitter with no real career or life accomplishments right? You think your shit attitude has anything to do with it?
Maybe you should actually take my advice and stop being such a miserable curmudgeon trying to shit on a very successful and happy person for reasons that are very obvious to everyone but you. [/quote]
I don’t think you understand Waittz. His virginity trumps his status as a pincushin jerkoff and makes him more worthy of your fiance than you are.[/quote]
But what about all my money and good looks?
Csulli where are you in real life? I wanna have a beer with you one day. [/quote]
He’s getting a ranch ready for me in Knoxville, TN.
[quote]Waittz wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]Waittz wrote:
[quote]theBeth wrote:
[quote]Waittz wrote:
[quote]theBeth wrote:
[quote]Waittz wrote:
In my opinion(see how that works people?) it has to do with personal preference desire to be around children. I would also assume that most men, like myself, who have never had a child, or a nephew/neice etc will not welcome the situation because we have no desire or comfort level to be around children. I can also say the same thing for cats and women who have them. Luckily for you there are billions of people in the world. Tons of options.
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Yup tonz of options - for getting a piece of ass. And maybe its ok just to settle for that. I totally get that guys are uncomfy with kids, especially 6 year old girls. [/quote]
Pessimism has no place in someone’s mind if they are trying to find what you are looking for. You end up projecting it and thus push what you are looking for away. Kind of like how dogs can tell if you are nervous or scared of touching them.
Plent of men have children, have had children or want children. If you make the decision prior that you will never find one, you wont. Much like guys like Walkway claim in confidence that there are no good women out there, they are just making it a reality. No different than poor people saying ‘ill never be rich’. Of coarse not. Nobody who says that ever will. [/quote]
This is true. I stand corrected. Thank you for insight.[/quote]
no problem. I used to be like that in the past. Was very misogynistic and went on a tear that I am still to this day not proud of. I thought all women were sluts and the like. Finally one day I admitted to myself that I was really just lonely and missed being in love with someone who loved me back in truth and casual encounters made the feeling worse not better. I made an active decision to change my thoughts about women and such. Even got a tattoo to permantly remind me of who I am inside and what I want. Wrote down on paper what I wanted out of a partner and what I was willing to change about myself to attract that kind of person.
Met my now fiance 1 month on the day from that. She lived in a different country, was on her last day of vacation. We fell in love the second we met, found away to stay together even though we lived in two different continents for almost 8 months. We will be married soon. Never been happier. Everything worth having in life is earned not given, same comes for finding a partner.
Also remember that ANY change in your thoughts and behavior will bring a change in results. Start small, but start.
EDIT- my fiance when I met her was a virgin, she is well educated, comes from a successful and wealthy family, was and is a gym rat(my training and diet partner most days) and enjoys the same things I do(fashion, reading, personsal development) and as I proved already with some pics, she is a drop dead gorgeous Brazillian. The point of this is to prove that you can litterally have whatever you want in a partner, but you have to work for it, and be worthy of it. I had to change alot to be able to land a girl like that. It all stated with my outlook on women. [/quote]
sounds like she just wants citizenship…
id argue that you aren’t “worthy” of a such a woman… she maintained her decency and her innocence as you played around in slop.
i’d chalk it up to dumb luck, no doing of your own.[/quote]
You realize that you are a 24 year old virgin drug using babbysitter with no real career or life accomplishments right? You think your shit attitude has anything to do with it?
Maybe you should actually take my advice and stop being such a miserable curmudgeon trying to shit on a very successful and happy person for reasons that are very obvious to everyone but you. [/quote]
lol…you’re fun waittz. do a lot of people push your buttons?
[quote]theBeth wrote:
[quote]Waittz wrote:
Csulli where are you in real life? I wanna have a beer with you one day. [/quote]
He’s getting a ranch ready for me in Knoxville, TN.[/quote]
Ahahaha true that! And there’s a nice high gravity beer pub downtown as well. I’m trying to remember the name of the last thing I had there. I think it was Victory Storm King Stout, which I thought was a fucking awesome name for a beer.
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]theBeth wrote:
[quote]Waittz wrote:
Csulli where are you in real life? I wanna have a beer with you one day. [/quote]
He’s getting a ranch ready for me in Knoxville, TN.[/quote]
Ahahaha true that![/quote]
You’re on the wrong side of the state. I am going to be hitting up Nashville before the year is over for business.
[quote]Waittz wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]theBeth wrote:
[quote]Waittz wrote:
Csulli where are you in real life? I wanna have a beer with you one day. [/quote]
He’s getting a ranch ready for me in Knoxville, TN.[/quote]
Ahahaha true that![/quote]
You’re on the wrong side of the state. I am going to be hitting up Nashville before the year is over for business. [/quote]
I’ll be in Nashville on a business trip next fall. That’s too far in the future. Dammit.
[quote]theBeth wrote:
[quote]Waittz wrote:
[quote]csulli wrote:
[quote]theBeth wrote:
[quote]Waittz wrote:
Csulli where are you in real life? I wanna have a beer with you one day. [/quote]
He’s getting a ranch ready for me in Knoxville, TN.[/quote]
Ahahaha true that![/quote]
You’re on the wrong side of the state. I am going to be hitting up Nashville before the year is over for business. [/quote]
I’ll be in Nashville on a business trip next fall. That’s too far in the future. Dammit.[/quote]
Ive never been, we have a partnering company based out of there. Ive heard some amazing things about that town and the BBQ!
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]Waittz wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]Waittz wrote:
[quote]theBeth wrote:
[quote]Waittz wrote:
[quote]theBeth wrote:
[quote]Waittz wrote:
In my opinion(see how that works people?) it has to do with personal preference desire to be around children. I would also assume that most men, like myself, who have never had a child, or a nephew/neice etc will not welcome the situation because we have no desire or comfort level to be around children. I can also say the same thing for cats and women who have them. Luckily for you there are billions of people in the world. Tons of options.
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Yup tonz of options - for getting a piece of ass. And maybe its ok just to settle for that. I totally get that guys are uncomfy with kids, especially 6 year old girls. [/quote]
Pessimism has no place in someone’s mind if they are trying to find what you are looking for. You end up projecting it and thus push what you are looking for away. Kind of like how dogs can tell if you are nervous or scared of touching them.
Plent of men have children, have had children or want children. If you make the decision prior that you will never find one, you wont. Much like guys like Walkway claim in confidence that there are no good women out there, they are just making it a reality. No different than poor people saying ‘ill never be rich’. Of coarse not. Nobody who says that ever will. [/quote]
This is true. I stand corrected. Thank you for insight.[/quote]
no problem. I used to be like that in the past. Was very misogynistic and went on a tear that I am still to this day not proud of. I thought all women were sluts and the like. Finally one day I admitted to myself that I was really just lonely and missed being in love with someone who loved me back in truth and casual encounters made the feeling worse not better. I made an active decision to change my thoughts about women and such. Even got a tattoo to permantly remind me of who I am inside and what I want. Wrote down on paper what I wanted out of a partner and what I was willing to change about myself to attract that kind of person.
Met my now fiance 1 month on the day from that. She lived in a different country, was on her last day of vacation. We fell in love the second we met, found away to stay together even though we lived in two different continents for almost 8 months. We will be married soon. Never been happier. Everything worth having in life is earned not given, same comes for finding a partner.
Also remember that ANY change in your thoughts and behavior will bring a change in results. Start small, but start.
EDIT- my fiance when I met her was a virgin, she is well educated, comes from a successful and wealthy family, was and is a gym rat(my training and diet partner most days) and enjoys the same things I do(fashion, reading, personsal development) and as I proved already with some pics, she is a drop dead gorgeous Brazillian. The point of this is to prove that you can litterally have whatever you want in a partner, but you have to work for it, and be worthy of it. I had to change alot to be able to land a girl like that. It all stated with my outlook on women. [/quote]
sounds like she just wants citizenship…
id argue that you aren’t “worthy” of a such a woman… she maintained her decency and her innocence as you played around in slop.
i’d chalk it up to dumb luck, no doing of your own.[/quote]
You realize that you are a 24 year old virgin drug using babbysitter with no real career or life accomplishments right? You think your shit attitude has anything to do with it?
Maybe you should actually take my advice and stop being such a miserable curmudgeon trying to shit on a very successful and happy person for reasons that are very obvious to everyone but you. [/quote]
lol…you’re fun waittz. do a lot of people push your buttons?[/quote]
Just the pathetic and self righteous.
So yes, lots of people.
[quote]Waittz wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]Waittz wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]Waittz wrote:
[quote]theBeth wrote:
[quote]Waittz wrote:
[quote]theBeth wrote:
[quote]Waittz wrote:
In my opinion(see how that works people?) it has to do with personal preference desire to be around children. I would also assume that most men, like myself, who have never had a child, or a nephew/neice etc will not welcome the situation because we have no desire or comfort level to be around children. I can also say the same thing for cats and women who have them. Luckily for you there are billions of people in the world. Tons of options.
[/quote]
Yup tonz of options - for getting a piece of ass. And maybe its ok just to settle for that. I totally get that guys are uncomfy with kids, especially 6 year old girls. [/quote]
Pessimism has no place in someone’s mind if they are trying to find what you are looking for. You end up projecting it and thus push what you are looking for away. Kind of like how dogs can tell if you are nervous or scared of touching them.
Plent of men have children, have had children or want children. If you make the decision prior that you will never find one, you wont. Much like guys like Walkway claim in confidence that there are no good women out there, they are just making it a reality. No different than poor people saying ‘ill never be rich’. Of coarse not. Nobody who says that ever will. [/quote]
This is true. I stand corrected. Thank you for insight.[/quote]
no problem. I used to be like that in the past. Was very misogynistic and went on a tear that I am still to this day not proud of. I thought all women were sluts and the like. Finally one day I admitted to myself that I was really just lonely and missed being in love with someone who loved me back in truth and casual encounters made the feeling worse not better. I made an active decision to change my thoughts about women and such. Even got a tattoo to permantly remind me of who I am inside and what I want. Wrote down on paper what I wanted out of a partner and what I was willing to change about myself to attract that kind of person.
Met my now fiance 1 month on the day from that. She lived in a different country, was on her last day of vacation. We fell in love the second we met, found away to stay together even though we lived in two different continents for almost 8 months. We will be married soon. Never been happier. Everything worth having in life is earned not given, same comes for finding a partner.
Also remember that ANY change in your thoughts and behavior will bring a change in results. Start small, but start.
EDIT- my fiance when I met her was a virgin, she is well educated, comes from a successful and wealthy family, was and is a gym rat(my training and diet partner most days) and enjoys the same things I do(fashion, reading, personsal development) and as I proved already with some pics, she is a drop dead gorgeous Brazillian. The point of this is to prove that you can litterally have whatever you want in a partner, but you have to work for it, and be worthy of it. I had to change alot to be able to land a girl like that. It all stated with my outlook on women. [/quote]
sounds like she just wants citizenship…
id argue that you aren’t “worthy” of a such a woman… she maintained her decency and her innocence as you played around in slop.
i’d chalk it up to dumb luck, no doing of your own.[/quote]
You realize that you are a 24 year old virgin drug using babbysitter with no real career or life accomplishments right? You think your shit attitude has anything to do with it?
Maybe you should actually take my advice and stop being such a miserable curmudgeon trying to shit on a very successful and happy person for reasons that are very obvious to everyone but you. [/quote]
lol…you’re fun waittz. do a lot of people push your buttons?[/quote]
Just the pathetic and self righteous.
So yes, lots of people. [/quote]
mmmmmmm… which one am I?
and while we’re at it, beth, what makes me a “cowardly douche” in your mind?
Beth, you asked for ‘an answer’ not ‘hope’ so here’s my take.
The truth is in my opinion, that there aren’t all that many decent men out there. Maybe its just my personal experience and the company I keep (ie, my family, friends, work, wider social/acquaintance circle). I was brought up in a pretty tough ‘blokey’ culture. Out of a random sample of 100 men you’d be lucky to find 20 true men. Certain populations may have more - eg, the longer term posters on this site perhaps. Perhaps.
A sad state of affairs but that is how I see it.
I’m not holding myself up as a paragon of manhood BTW. I’m very much a work in progress, and that’s not false humility. At 32 I should have been what I am now, 10 years ago. But I’m trying. That my wife is carrying our first child, a boy no less, has been a massive foot up the arse in many respects.
BTW Alphas, Betas, and all that bullshit. A true man doesn’t need to play a role. The biggest so-called Alphas I’ve met were insecure little turds, who were really frightened and/or damaged little boys in a man’s body.
A true man is strong, confident, mature, responsible. He has the awareness to know what a situation needs and the capacity to deliver that, without losing his sense of self. Quite the opposite, he brings his true self into everything he does. He knows how to make love to a woman, and knows how and when to simply fuck her silly. He lives with passion, purpose, humour and integrity. He can be truly dangerous when he needs to be. He is all these things and more.
I don’t see too many of those types of men around me, do you?
[quote]Waittz wrote:
[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:
[quote]Waittz wrote:
[quote]theBeth wrote:
[quote]Waittz wrote:
[quote]theBeth wrote:
[quote]Waittz wrote:
In my opinion(see how that works people?) it has to do with personal preference desire to be around children. I would also assume that most men, like myself, who have never had a child, or a nephew/neice etc will not welcome the situation because we have no desire or comfort level to be around children. I can also say the same thing for cats and women who have them. Luckily for you there are billions of people in the world. Tons of options.
[/quote]
Yup tonz of options - for getting a piece of ass. And maybe its ok just to settle for that. I totally get that guys are uncomfy with kids, especially 6 year old girls. [/quote]
Pessimism has no place in someone’s mind if they are trying to find what you are looking for. You end up projecting it and thus push what you are looking for away. Kind of like how dogs can tell if you are nervous or scared of touching them.
Plent of men have children, have had children or want children. If you make the decision prior that you will never find one, you wont. Much like guys like Walkway claim in confidence that there are no good women out there, they are just making it a reality. No different than poor people saying ‘ill never be rich’. Of coarse not. Nobody who says that ever will. [/quote]
This is true. I stand corrected. Thank you for insight.[/quote]
no problem. I used to be like that in the past. Was very misogynistic and went on a tear that I am still to this day not proud of. I thought all women were sluts and the like. Finally one day I admitted to myself that I was really just lonely and missed being in love with someone who loved me back in truth and casual encounters made the feeling worse not better. I made an active decision to change my thoughts about women and such. Even got a tattoo to permantly remind me of who I am inside and what I want. Wrote down on paper what I wanted out of a partner and what I was willing to change about myself to attract that kind of person.
Met my now fiance 1 month on the day from that. She lived in a different country, was on her last day of vacation. We fell in love the second we met, found away to stay together even though we lived in two different continents for almost 8 months. We will be married soon. Never been happier. Everything worth having in life is earned not given, same comes for finding a partner.
Also remember that ANY change in your thoughts and behavior will bring a change in results. Start small, but start.
EDIT- my fiance when I met her was a virgin, she is well educated, comes from a successful and wealthy family, was and is a gym rat(my training and diet partner most days) and enjoys the same things I do(fashion, reading, personsal development) and as I proved already with some pics, she is a drop dead gorgeous Brazillian. The point of this is to prove that you can litterally have whatever you want in a partner, but you have to work for it, and be worthy of it. I had to change alot to be able to land a girl like that. It all stated with my outlook on women. [/quote]
sounds like she just wants citizenship…
id argue that you aren’t “worthy” of a such a woman… she maintained her decency and her innocence as you played around in slop.
i’d chalk it up to dumb luck, no doing of your own.[/quote]
You realize that you are a 24 year old virgin drug using babbysitter with no real career or life accomplishments right? You think your shit attitude has anything to do with it?
Maybe you should actually take my advice and stop being such a miserable curmudgeon trying to shit on a very successful and happy person for reasons that are very obvious to everyone but you. [/quote]
LMAO!
Waittz, in some ways, Walkway is correct. If you were once a dick to women then you in fact are not giving an equal offering. She has maintained purity her whole life to give that gift to the person she loves. You can offer no such gift in exchange. It has been passed away numerous time. You have a dark past, one to which you’ve obviously cleaned up and changed, but dark nonetheless.
That being said, people can change, and what is most important is that going forward you do that which is needed, being honorable, trustworthy, true, and caring for your wife and family (when the time comes). Money, success, confidence don’t mean jack at that point, what matters is putting family first and making that priority.
The greatest issue with your situation, is people may read it and say, “see I can act like a hound now and then find myself a nice girl later, be fully ‘cleansed’ of my wild prior life and settle down into awesome.” That just plain isn’t fair to the women out there who are being the good girls. It takes a true change of heart/character to make someone absolvable of what they did, and I hope that is something that you’ve done.
Its not about the act that was important, it was and is about the state of mind that led to that act. Women as a tool to get off, being a man in front of your buddies, wanting to get laid. Objectification of women, whether you brought them pleasure or not, is not a fair or mature mindset. And neither is it for women to do to men. Bringing that along to a clean, true relationship is baggage and it needs dropped, removed, deleted, burned, and cleansed and then you (general you not specific) need to step into the shoes of being a man. That’s a lot to do, and if you can’t do it, then you (general not specific again) do not deserve the kind of girl that has brought purity to the relationship.
[quote]justrob wrote:
Beth, you asked for ‘an answer’ not ‘hope’ so here’s my take.
The truth is in my opinion, that there aren’t all that many decent men out there. Maybe its just my personal experience and the company I keep (ie, my family, friends, work, wider social/acquaintance circle). I was brought up in a pretty tough ‘blokey’ culture. Out of a random sample of 100 men you’d be lucky to find 20 true men. Certain populations may have more - eg, the longer term posters on this site perhaps. Perhaps.
A sad state of affairs but that is how I see it.
I’m not holding myself up as a paragon of manhood BTW. I’m very much a work in progress, and that’s not false humility. At 32 I should have been what I am now, 10 years ago. But I’m trying. That my wife is carrying our first child, a boy no less, has been a massive foot up the arse in many respects.
BTW Alphas, Betas, and all that bullshit. A true man doesn’t need to play a role. The biggest so-called Alphas I’ve met were insecure little turds, who were really frightened and/or damaged little boys in a man’s body.
A true man is strong, confident, mature, responsible. He has the awareness to know what a situation needs and the capacity to deliver that, without losing his sense of self. Quite the opposite, he brings his true self into everything he does. He knows how to make love to a woman, and knows how and when to simply fuck her silly. He lives with passion, purpose, humour and integrity. He can be truly dangerous when he needs to be. He is all these things and more.
I don’t see too many of those types of men around me, do you? [/quote]
Your 20 men in 100 theory is a widespread phenomenon that is by no means restricted to tough blokey culture. Actually, it verges on being a law of nature that 80% of the effects result from 20% of the causes, in other words 80% of the work gets done by 20% of the people.
Business management types refer to this as the Pareto Principle in honour of an Italian economist named Vilfredo Pareto who observed back in 1906 that 80% of the peas in his garden came from 20% of the pods.
This may be a sad state of affairs, but it provides a tremendous competitive edge for those of us who are prepared to do the work to place ourselves in the 20%. I have observed that this pretty much holds true in almost every area of life.
1 in 5 men being Real men is a generous ratio.
It is just as difficult to find a man who embraces his honesty and integrity as it is to find an elegant woman.
[quote]Kakarat wrote:
1 in 5 men being Real men is a generous ratio.[/quote]
Well, it actually gets thinner as you go. If 20 in 100 are “decent” only one will be exceptional, or what I imagine many would a “Real” man or an “elegant” woman.
Nonetheless, you’ll beat 80% of people just by being “decent”. From there on in it gets a lot tougher to keep up.
[quote]batman730 wrote:
[quote]Kakarat wrote:
1 in 5 men being Real men is a generous ratio.[/quote]
Well, it actually gets thinner as you go. If 20 in 100 are “decent” only one will be exceptional, or what I imagine many would a “Real” man or an “elegant” woman.
Nonetheless, you’ll beat 80% of people just by being “decent”. From there on in it gets a lot tougher to keep up.[/quote]
I can agree with that.
I’m glad you’re aware of the significant difference between Real and real men.