[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
dollarbill44 wrote:
S-Lifter wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
Tyson would beat Ali? Are you kidding? The guy got knocked out by Buster fuckin Douglas- while he was in his prime!
Not to mention that Tyson never went twelve rounds with anyone worth a damn in the first place…Ali would be done with him by the Seventh round.
Marciano, of course, could have beaten all of them.
Yes.
A definite maybe. The biggest problem with Marciano is that there isn’t a whole lot of footage of his fights.
DB
If you look around on Youtube people have put some pretty good clips up.
Marciano, from what I can tell, had a vicious overhand right. Between that and the cement chin…it’s hard to call.
I think his swarming style might have brought down Ali in the end.
But damn Ali was fast…and just as tough…I really wish we could have seen that one. A fight for the ages…[/quote]
His swarming style did just that. Go to Amazon.com and buy the computer-based Marciano-Ali fight. Marciano trained for months for that fight.
I would pick Tyson in his Prime!
Tyson would not have even been phased by Ali’s pre match chit chat.
He would have let his hands do the talking.
you really think so ? tyson is not,even today, a person of confidence and self-esteem. ali on the other hand was just radiating. when it comes down to it, ali is a winner and tyson is a loser. and when those two breeds meet the outcome is always the same. on paper i see the argument but, for reasons staed above, i don’t believe tyson would have EVER been capable of fighting his best fight in the presence of ali. ali is a great fighter AND a great man.[/quote]
That he is. Ali is a great man! Tyson at the moment is not everyones favorite, I agree. We could argue Ali is not the same man back then as he isnow, but thats not the we are talking about.
I did state when Tyson was in his prime, when he was a true honed athlete, he was the best, greatest K.O king. Ali would have been wounded early rounds.
[quote]Joe Pineapples wrote:
swivel wrote:
Joe Pineapples wrote:
I would pick Tyson in his Prime!
Tyson would not have even been phased by Ali’s pre match chit chat.
He would have let his hands do the talking.
you really think so ? tyson is not,even today, a person of confidence and self-esteem. ali on the other hand was just radiating. when it comes down to it, ali is a winner and tyson is a loser. and when those two breeds meet the outcome is always the same. on paper i see the argument but, for reasons staed above, i don’t believe tyson would have EVER been capable of fighting his best fight in the presence of ali. ali is a great fighter AND a great man.
That he is. Ali is a great man! Tyson at the moment is not everyones favorite, I agree. We could argue Ali is not the same man back then as he isnow, but thats not the we are talking about.
I did state when Tyson was in his prime, when he was a true honed athlete, he was the best, greatest K.O king. Ali would have been wounded early rounds.
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i see what you mean about the matchup on paper, but did you see tyson’s eyes light up with that “man i wish you were my dad look” when he came out to meet ali in that clip ? ali’s greatness would’ve kryptonited tyson’s destructive rage. winners win, losers lose. that’s how it is.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
otoko wrote:
…I think Jerry Quarry, Gerry Cooney, Shavers and would all hold belts if they fought today.
Maybe because there are too many HW belts bit I think Cooney was overrated.[/quote]
Yes overrated in his era. Though compare him to Klitchko, Maskaev, Briggs and Valuev, the four title holders today. Cooney would have been the undisputed champ.
[quote]otoko wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
otoko wrote:
…I think Jerry Quarry, Gerry Cooney, Shavers and would all hold belts if they fought today.
Maybe because there are too many HW belts bit I think Cooney was overrated.
Yes overrated in his era. Though compare him to Klitchko, Maskaev, Briggs and Valuev, the four title holders today. Cooney would have been the undisputed champ.
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Could be. 4 belts and no worthy heavyweights worthy of them makes this a bad era.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Donut62 wrote:
…Greatest ever was Mancini vs Kim, unfortunately Kim did fall over dead.
Not a HW fight of course.
I’m still trying to find a video of this fight, anyone have something?
I saw it live and have not seen it since.[/quote]
Ditto. Mancini was really never the same afterwards.
Man, the fight game has really gone downhill so much - when was the last time you saw a fight broadcast on network TV like that? And during the day? I remember being at home as a kid watching that one on a weekend afternoon.
[quote]Kuz wrote:
Ditto. Mancini was really never the same afterwards.
Man, the fight game has really gone downhill so much - when was the last time you saw a fight broadcast on network TV like that? And during the day? I remember being at home as a kid watching that one on a weekend afternoon.[/quote]
Me too. I remember sitting really close to the TV and watching it with my dad.
I remember them showing clips of Kim doing strongman type training, hitting things with a sledge hammer etc. I had never seen anything like it before.
I wanted Mancini to win but I was so impressed with Kim and his intensity in training and in the ring. I was seriously bummed out when he died.
[quote]Kuz wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Donut62 wrote:
…Greatest ever was Mancini vs Kim, unfortunately Kim did fall over dead.
Not a HW fight of course.
I’m still trying to find a video of this fight, anyone have something?
I saw it live and have not seen it since.
Ditto. Mancini was really never the same afterwards.
Man, the fight game has really gone downhill so much - when was the last time you saw a fight broadcast on network TV like that? And during the day? I remember being at home as a kid watching that one on a weekend afternoon.[/quote]
The way things have gone, unless it is MMA we probably won’t ever again. Boxing has done an beautiful job of destroying itself.
[quote]Donut62 wrote:
jp_dubya wrote:
The greatest brawl I’ve ever seen, hands down, is David Tua vs Ike Ikebauchi. It broke every record for punches thrown and landed in a HW fight. It still amazes me everytime i watch it that either of them just didn’t fall over dead.[/quote]
where might I be able to get a copy?
[quote]jp_dubya wrote:
Donut62 wrote:
jp_dubya wrote:
The greatest brawl I’ve ever seen, hands down, is David Tua vs Ike Ikebauchi. It broke every record for punches thrown and landed in a HW fight. It still amazes me everytime i watch it that either of them just didn’t fall over dead.
where might I be able to get a copy?
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Thankfully, nobody at HBO seems willing to get Youtube to pull old boxing matches like the UFC and Pride does with their fights, so there’s plenty of boxing on there:
I had Tua winning, tough fight to call but I definetely think he deserved the win. And just for fun, and to get a feel for Tua’s power, here’s one of the fastest HW KO’s ever:
[quote]Edders wrote:
I didn’t get a chance to read all the posts so if someone already mentioned this, sorry.
Ali already fought and defeated a “Tyson like” foe in Joe Frazier. Frazier was someone who would stalk his opponent and unleash some very nasty blows on him. Ali had a tough time with him but he did beat him 2 out of 3 times.
I’m not saying Frazier was better than Tyson. Tyson might be the better of the two but they had similar styles. Ali is da man and would have beaten Tyson.[/quote]
[quote]Donut62 wrote:
jp_dubya wrote:
Donut62 wrote:
jp_dubya wrote:
The greatest brawl I’ve ever seen, hands down, is David Tua vs Ike Ikebauchi. It broke every record for punches thrown and landed in a HW fight. It still amazes me everytime i watch it that either of them just didn’t fall over dead.
where might I be able to get a copy?
Thankfully, nobody at HBO seems willing to get Youtube to pull old boxing matches like the UFC and Pride does with their fights, so there’s plenty of boxing on there:
I had Tua winning, tough fight to call but I definetely think he deserved the win. And just for fun, and to get a feel for Tua’s power, here’s one of the fastest HW KO’s ever:
David Tua vs John Ruiz
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Excellent fight I did think Ibeabuchi did win though. Thanks
Anyone who claims tyson was not a good boxer and only a knockout artist knows very little about the fight game. His head movement when he was under cus and co was the best in the game. He was short for a heavy weight and had to fight like this. He was faster than fraizer and had devastating combinations. He closed distance extremely quickly.
Ali was incredible on his feet with great head movement also. great combinations which focused on straights ending with short hooks. Technical master. solid power that hurt opponents. He damaged his opponents mentally b4 the fight.
An older (foreman time) ali would have tried to draw tyson into the last rounds but were talking about the cocky dancing PEAK ali. he would have fought…certainly not toe to toe but there would have been no rope-a-dope…etc.
Tyson lateral movement would have allowed him to slip inside but most of the time ali would have manouevered away only taking punches in 1’s or 2’s. Tyson was the most devastating puncher of all time…he swung to kill and had hands as fast as ali’s but with more prep time requred. Ali could have exploited this by beating him to the punch.
RESULT: Tyson most likely would have won the fight in the early rounds but if it went on(and thats a big if) Ali would have taken him.
can’t believe I only found this thread now. Kept the post as short as possible…seriously
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Ali beat Foreman by simply outlasting him. He didn’t do it because of greater strength or even greater skill. He took hits until he tired him out…because Foreman was all power but less endurance. His strategy saved his ass. On someone like Tyson who would possibly keep coming (if based on nothing but insane rage), I think he would have his hands full.
Ali never fought “fucking crazy”.[/quote]
“Fucking crazy” works in bar fights, not in the ring.
[quote]Steel Nation wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Ali beat Foreman by simply outlasting him. He didn’t do it because of greater strength or even greater skill. He took hits until he tired him out…because Foreman was all power but less endurance. His strategy saved his ass. On someone like Tyson who would possibly keep coming (if based on nothing but insane rage), I think he would have his hands full.
Ali never fought “fucking crazy”.
“Fucking crazy” works in bar fights, not in the ring.[/quote]
maybe not for points, but tyson won with knock outs, not strategy. fucking crazy does indeed work for knock outs.