[quote]S-Lifter wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
Tyson would beat Ali? Are you kidding? The guy got knocked out by Buster fuckin Douglas- while he was in his prime!
Not to mention that Tyson never went twelve rounds with anyone worth a damn in the first place…Ali would be done with him by the Seventh round.
Marciano, of course, could have beaten all of them.
Yes.
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A definite maybe. The biggest problem with Marciano is that there isn’t a whole lot of footage of his fights.
DB
[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:
I’m going with Ali too. Tyson never fought anyone with the footwork and ability to slip punches and take punches that Ali had. Ali was also one of the best jabbers of all time and had the quickest hands of any hwt in modern times. Throw in his ability to get into his opponents’ heads and Ali would likely have toyed with Tyson.
And while Tyson had a devastating right hand, so did all of the big hwts of Ali’s era (Foreman, Frazier, Norton, Shavers).
To whomever said it, Wepner did NOT beat Ali. He knocked him down (by standing on his foot and punching him in the chest) after which point Ali destroyed him before knocking Wepner down for the 1st time in his career.
And, “I’m going to call Ali Cassius Clay. His momma named him Cassius, so I’m going to call him Cassius.”
DB
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A limited Wepner went 15 rounds with Ali.
Of course Tyson fought tall(taller than Ali) slick boxers.
Ali didn’t slip punches he leaned back to avoid punches. He had extremely quick feet so he could do this. There were HWs with better jabs than Ali. Ali had great hand speed, people think for some reason that equates with technical brilliance.
Guys like Ali and Roy Jones do everything backwards. Ali was great of course but he was great in spite of his technical holes. Without that hand and foot speed that style will make you take punishment. Which Ali took over the second part of his career.
Tyson had great hands period, left and right. Combining great hand speed(as good as Ali, just the stylistic differences makes it less obvious) combined with great power.
It is amazing how people will revise history based on their biases. I am not a fan of Tyson as a person, still to look objectivily at him in his prime, his boxing skills and technique and his physical abilities you cannot deny how good his abilities were.
For some reason they have an image of this hulking KO machine with no boxing skills and just a right hand. Which is the antithesis of what he was in his prime. COnsidering he was taught the peek a boo style which works best when one has great hand speed, and places a premium on defense and throwing combinations people’s statements of Tyson fall flat. Floyd Patterson used it before Tyson(same Cus), I do not see people ragging on Floyd’s lack of boxing skills.
[quote]otoko wrote:
dollarbill44 wrote:
I’m going with Ali too. Tyson never fought anyone with the footwork and ability to slip punches and take punches that Ali had. Ali was also one of the best jabbers of all time and had the quickest hands of any hwt in modern times. Throw in his ability to get into his opponents’ heads and Ali would likely have toyed with Tyson.
And while Tyson had a devastating right hand, so did all of the big hwts of Ali’s era (Foreman, Frazier, Norton, Shavers).
To whomever said it, Wepner did NOT beat Ali. He knocked him down (by standing on his foot and punching him in the chest) after which point Ali destroyed him before knocking Wepner down for the 1st time in his career.
And, “I’m going to call Ali Cassius Clay. His momma named him Cassius, so I’m going to call him Cassius.”
DB
A limited Wepner went 15 rounds with Ali.
Of course Tyson fought tall(taller than Ali) slick boxers.
Ali didn’t slip punches he leaned back to avoid punches. He had extremely quick feet so he could do this. There were HWs with better jabs than Ali. Ali had great hand speed, people think for some reason that equates with technical brilliance.
Guys like Ali and Roy Jones do everything backwards. Ali was great of course but he was great in spite of his technical holes. Without that hand and foot speed that style will make you take punishment. Which Ali took over the second part of his career.
Tyson had great hands period, left and right. Combining great hand speed(as good as Ali, just the stylistic differences makes it less obvious) combined with great power.
It is amazing how people will revise history based on their biases. I am not a fan of Tyson as a person, still to look objectivily at him in his prime, his boxing skills and technique and his physical abilities you cannot deny how good his abilities were.
For some reason they have an image of this hulking KO machine with no boxing skills and just a right hand. Which is the antithesis of what he was in his prime. COnsidering he was taught the peek a boo style which works best when one has great hand speed, and places a premium on defense and throwing combinations people’s statements of Tyson fall flat. Floyd Patterson used it before Tyson(same Cus), I do not see people ragging on Floyd’s lack of boxing skills.
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I would pick Tyson in his Prime!
Tyson would not have even been phased by Ali’s pre match chit chat.
He would have let his hands do the talking.
His ability to slip, weave, damage the body with devastating power to canopen any defense no matter how tight it was, then finish off the fight first round with a couple of precision timed sleeping pills.
His foot work had to be the best of the heavy weights.
Tyson could shift his weight with lightning speed off both feet, slip and duck his opponents arsenal and just completely defuse it. He’d be so close, his opponents would just nearly faint at the idea of what was coming next.
Ali’s foot work just looked good for the punters that were dazzled by it, he was show man. His foot work was manly razzle dazzel. And if ya dumb enough to look at the feet of a man doing the running man, while in the middle of a Heavy weight professional bout, you aint got no business in the ring in the first place( just shows the credibility of those opponents dont it!).
Tyson did not just have a right hand neither.
Tyson had the sharpest and tightest left hook of all heavy weights. He was so close when he threw it, he would nearly take heads off with it. In his prime he was unstoppable.
[quote]Joe Pineapples wrote:
I would pick Tyson in his Prime!
Tyson would not have even been phased by Ali’s pre match chit chat.
He would have let his hands do the talking.
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you really think so ? tyson is not,even today, a person of confidence and self-esteem. ali on the other hand was just radiating. when it comes down to it, ali is a winner and tyson is a loser. and when those two breeds meet the outcome is always the same. on paper i see the argument but, for reasons staed above, i don’t believe tyson would have EVER been capable of fighting his best fight in the presence of ali. ali is a great fighter AND a great man.
I just think Ali compared to tyson is straight weak …And would lack the physical ability to take the abuse Tyson would have dished out to him…And other than the gay ass dance moves Ali made in the ring I don’t think he was any faster ot technical than tyson…just weaker …
I picture Ali laying on the mat in PEE soaked boxing trunks …And Tyson just standing their asking…Hey Ali why are you just laying there crying like a little BI#CH …now get up I’m going to F#$K you to you love me …He He He …
[quote]GERRY.P.SHARMAN wrote:
I just think Ali compared to tyson is straight weak …And would lack the physical ability to take the abuse Tyson would have dished out to him…And other than the gay ass dance moves Ali made in the ring I don’t think he was any faster ot technical than tyson…just weaker …
I picture Ali laying on the mat in PEE soaked boxing trunks …And Tyson just standing their asking…Hey Ali why are you just laying there crying like a little BI#CH …now get up I’m going to F#$K you to you love me …He He He … [/quote]
Go watch Sesame Street little one, the big people are talking about sports.
This aside, what is everyone’s feeling about the greatest era of heavyweight fighters? I say hands down the era of Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Norton…
I may be biased, because I can’t even name 4 heavyweight fighters.
Greatest brawl of a boxing match I ever saw? Holmes vs Shavers.
[quote]swivel wrote:
Joe Pineapples wrote:
I would pick Tyson in his Prime!
Tyson would not have even been phased by Ali’s pre match chit chat.
He would have let his hands do the talking.
you really think so ? tyson is not,even today, a person of confidence and self-esteem. ali on the other hand was just radiating. when it comes down to it, ali is a winner and tyson is a loser. and when those two breeds meet the outcome is always the same. on paper i see the argument but, for reasons staed above, i don’t believe tyson would have EVER been capable of fighting his best fight in the presence of ali. ali is a great fighter AND a great man.[/quote]
Ali would have gotten in Tyson’s head, no doubt about it.
I don’t think very many of the people that think Tyson would win saw Ali in his prime or realize the collection of stiffs Tyson beat when he was in his prime.
[quote]jp_dubya wrote:
This aside, what is everyone’s feeling about the greatest era of heavyweight fighters? I say hands down the era of Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Norton…
I may be biased, because I can’t even name 4 heavyweight fighters.
Greatest brawl of a boxing match I ever saw? Holmes vs Shavers.[/quote]
It was definetely the greatest era of HW boxing. The greatest brawl I’ve ever seen, hands down, is David Tua vs Ike Ikebauchi. It broke every record for punches thrown and landed in a HW fight. It still amazes me everytime i watch it that either of them just didn’t fall over dead.
[quote]Donut62 wrote:
jp_dubya wrote:
This aside, what is everyone’s feeling about the greatest era of heavyweight fighters? I say hands down the era of Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Norton…
I may be biased, because I can’t even name 4 heavyweight fighters.
Greatest brawl of a boxing match I ever saw? Holmes vs Shavers.
It was definetely the greatest era of HW boxing. The greatest brawl I’ve ever seen, hands down, is David Tua vs Ike Ikebauchi. It broke every record for punches thrown and landed in a HW fight. It still amazes me everytime i watch it that either of them just didn’t fall over dead.[/quote]
Greatest ever was Mancini vs Kim, unfortunately Kim did fall over dead.
Not a HW fight of course.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Donut62 wrote:
jp_dubya wrote:
This aside, what is everyone’s feeling about the greatest era of heavyweight fighters? I say hands down the era of Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Norton…
I may be biased, because I can’t even name 4 heavyweight fighters.
Greatest brawl of a boxing match I ever saw? Holmes vs Shavers.
It was definetely the greatest era of HW boxing. The greatest brawl I’ve ever seen, hands down, is David Tua vs Ike Ikebauchi. It broke every record for punches thrown and landed in a HW fight. It still amazes me everytime i watch it that either of them just didn’t fall over dead.
Greatest ever was Mancini vs Kim, unfortunately Kim did fall over dead.
Not a HW fight of course.[/quote]
I’m still trying to find a video of this fight, anyone have something?
Donut62-Wrote
Go watch Sesame Street little one, the big people are talking about sports
Little one… Funny ,But I bet your bitch status to me
[quote]Donut62 wrote:
…Greatest ever was Mancini vs Kim, unfortunately Kim did fall over dead.
Not a HW fight of course.
I’m still trying to find a video of this fight, anyone have something?
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I saw it live and have not seen it since.
[quote]Donut62 wrote:
jp_dubya wrote:
This aside, what is everyone’s feeling about the greatest era of heavyweight fighters? I say hands down the era of Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Norton…
I may be biased, because I can’t even name 4 heavyweight fighters.
Greatest brawl of a boxing match I ever saw? Holmes vs Shavers.
It was definetely the greatest era of HW boxing. The greatest brawl I’ve ever seen, hands down, is David Tua vs Ike Ikebauchi. It broke every record for punches thrown and landed in a HW fight. It still amazes me everytime i watch it that either of them just didn’t fall over dead.[/quote]
Yeah Tua-Ibeabuchi, they didn’t stop for 12 rounds. If you watch that fight, then contrast it with the fights we get now in the HW division…the heavyweight now division is sad, sad, sad.
Ibeabuchi after 16 fights was technically better than all the champs today.
Ibeabuchi looked like Larry Holmes and Riddick Bowe fused together compared the current crop of fighters. And I am not even saying Ibeabuchi was the next great thing.
I think Jerry Quarry, Gerry Cooney, Shavers and would all hold belts if they fought today.
[quote]dollarbill44 wrote:
S-Lifter wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
Tyson would beat Ali? Are you kidding? The guy got knocked out by Buster fuckin Douglas- while he was in his prime!
Not to mention that Tyson never went twelve rounds with anyone worth a damn in the first place…Ali would be done with him by the Seventh round.
Marciano, of course, could have beaten all of them.
Yes.
A definite maybe. The biggest problem with Marciano is that there isn’t a whole lot of footage of his fights.
DB
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If you look around on Youtube people have put some pretty good clips up.
Marciano, from what I can tell, had a vicious overhand right. Between that and the cement chin…it’s hard to call.
I think his swarming style might have brought down Ali in the end.
But damn Ali was fast…and just as tough…I really wish we could have seen that one. A fight for the ages…
[quote]otoko wrote:
…I think Jerry Quarry, Gerry Cooney, Shavers and would all hold belts if they fought today.[/quote]
Maybe because there are too many HW belts bit I think Cooney was overrated.
I’ll re state my opinion.
Ali would have found a way to beat tyson.
Ali was one of the smartest fighters who ever lived. Tyson was very well trained and talented. Ali in his prime would have found a superior strategy and won.
To me the Tyson killer would have been Foreman. He would Destroy Tyson.
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
GERRY.P.SHARMAN wrote:
Funny …But I bet your bitch status physically compared to …
This ‘sentence’ does not make sense.[/quote]
Yeah I forgot to post the comment I was replying to .This is what it should have read like .
Donut62-Wrote
Go watch Sesame Street little one, the big people are talking about sports
Funny ,But I bet your bitch status to me
[quote]emdawgz1 wrote:
I’ll re state my opinion.
Ali would have found a way to beat tyson.
Ali was one of the smartest fighters who ever lived. Tyson was very well trained and talented. Ali in his prime would have found a superior strategy and won.
To me the Tyson killer would have been Foreman. He would Destroy Tyson. [/quote]
I agree with your assessment of the ALi-tyson fight. Ali was just so smart it’s hard to pick against him…
However I do not agree Foreman would have beaten Tyson. Watch Foreman-Lyle and you’ll see Tyson could’ve taken him out. Lyle almost did and he was never that good…