Wrestler Decides Not to Face Female at Iowa State Finals

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[quote]Oleena wrote:
When I said “You do her a favor by fighting her” I wasn’t implying that winning wasn’t going to be your main goal stepping out onto the mat.

Yes, refusing to fight someone who’s on the same level as you according to competition wins and losses is disrespectful. However, I got the impression from the information provided that he didn’t do it because he didn’t respect her but because he didn’t question his religion, which is different.[/quote]

I’ll put five dollars down says that the reason most of the guys wouldn’t is because of some kind of Christian moral upraising.

Again, more “he’s a douche bag because he doesn’t agree with me” bullshit. So, because someone agrees with a certain side that means he can’t think for himself. Maybe you should try some thinking for yourself.

I disagree, how is refusing to beat up on a girl disrespect. So, he should just not use his own free will and fight even if it goes against his religion? That’s some bad logic, he has the right to decide if he’s going to fight a girl or not. He made it and you’re dogging on him and anyone that agrees with him. Again merit doesn’t mean jack, she’s a woman she should not be competing with the men.

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As for the videos I posted, the third one is on par with the one AC posted in terms of athleticism. It’s a different style, so they’re playing a little different, but the speed and technique are definitely there. I doubt any guy on here without significant wrestling experience would stand up against either of them.[/quote]

Not at all, sorry. I’ll take the worst athlete in AC’s film and pit him against the best one in yours and the man will win.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:
debraD: as per our earlier discussions, why am I looking at your face in your avatar?

Has hell frozen over?[/quote]

I’ve been posting vids with my face almost visible so I said what the hell. At least I can take videos for criticism and not have to try to keep it obscured.

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Just to clarify, since everyone seems to be getting fairly distracted, we aren’t discussing whether or not women should fight men or compete with them on the top levels of competition; we’re discussing HIGH SCHOOL. Some pretty damned good high school wrestling, apparently, but high school non the less. Arguments about women’s ability to compete on a higher level against men has no place here.

There’s another example of something like this that I can think of. I remember reading the memoir of a female track star a while back who was so far beyond the other high school girl’s abilities that they gave up. However, she wasn’t allowed to run against the guys, even though her times were competitive with the high school male times. She went on to compete in the olympics and won third at her events. Obviously, she was a genetic freak. However, for years, she never got to run a race with a true competitor.

I’m not saying her time beat the male olympic champion’s track times, but on the high school level her time was competitive with the male athletes and she should have been allowed to compete in that bracket.

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[quote]debraD wrote:
I think earlier in the thread you spoke against protecting people’s self-esteems. Isn’t protecting women from real competition doing just that? Women/girls do not need protection. What they need is to be challenged and pushed harder. However with rampant sexism still around, the scenario you describe will still occur, but it will only persist as we keep protecting women/girls.[/quote]

I am assuming (questioning, not actually saying this is your position) you personally do not believe as a woman/girl that you do not need protection. And, that you’re not saying that all women/girls do not need protection?

Either way, even though I do think women can handle themselves most of the time (I have a very hands off approach to dealing with female problems), some kind of male protection may be called for from time to time. Plus, that is what family is for.

I doubt that is the issue here, the issue is that she is female. And, it is not only an issue because she is a female but because we are men. We were raised different than women.

As well, this kid had religious belief so not only was he respecting the young lady, but he was also protecting himself.

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[quote]Oleena wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]Oleena wrote:
When I said “You do her a favor by fighting her” I wasn’t implying that winning wasn’t going to be your main goal stepping out onto the mat.

Yes, refusing to fight someone who’s on the same level as you according to competition wins and losses is disrespectful. However, I got the impression from the information provided that he didn’t do it because he didn’t respect her but because he didn’t question his religion, which is different.

Everyone on here who says that they’d refuse simply for the fact that it’s a female is incredibly disrespectful. I think this may be my new way of telling whether or not a guy truly respects women as equal and able to think for themselves.

If a woman makes the decision to fight and is situated through experience at the same competitive level as you (and no religion is thinking for you), and you refuse to fight her, that’s a disrespect. If someone makes the decision to fight, it’s not your place to remake that decision for them. They’ve already signed the waiver and, through experience, have proven themselves to be on their level by beating other guys.

As for the videos I posted, the third one is on par with the one AC posted in terms of athleticism. It’s a different style, so they’re playing a little different, but the speed and technique are definitely there. I doubt any guy on here without significant wrestling experience would stand up against either of them.[/quote]

Your posts are laughable. More feminism garbage.

You’re not at the same level, especially not in combat sports. You want to fight, fight other women. You have no business fighting or attempting to fight men.

You think it’s disrespectful? Good. Get the fuck out of my ring.
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Me? This entire thread isn’t about me. It’s about a girl who was on the same level as the guy. Try to stay on topic.
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Yes, same level as this guy. 20-13 to 44-5. Yes, I think I would rank her the same as him, well you know besides it being the first round in a state tournament and him being ranked 5 in the state, and for her to wrestle a 5th seed would mean she would have been sitting in a low seed.

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[quote]Oleena wrote:
Just to clarify, since everyone seems to be getting fairly distracted, we aren’t discussing whether or not women should fight men or compete with them on the top levels of competition; we’re discussing HIGH SCHOOL. Some pretty damned good high school wrestling, apparently, but high school non the less. Arguments about women’s ability to compete on a higher level against men has no place here.

There’s another example of something like this that I can think of. I remember reading the memoir of a female track star a while back who was so far beyond the other high school girl’s abilities that they gave up. However, she wasn’t allowed to run against the guys, even though her times were competitive with the high school male times. She went on to compete in the olympics and won third at her events. Obviously, she was a genetic freak. However, for years, she never got to run a race with a true competitor.

I’m not saying her time beat the male olympic champion’s track times, but on the high school level her time was competitive with the male athletes and she should have been allowed to compete in that bracket.[/quote]

20-13 and 44-5. Same level. Oh and she was pinned in her two matches after that (by guys who were lower ranked than Northup).

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[quote]angry chicken wrote:
It’s not often that BC and I are on the same side of an argument! LOL

All this talk about how she earned her spot fair and square is flawed. She is a female and got treated differently than her male counterparts ON SOME LEVEL to get where she did. Whether it be by a millisecond hesitation because she’s female, or an attempt to “beat her gently”, the additional psychological pressure to to not lose to a girl, or any one a hundred small concessions/advantages made due to her being a member of the fairer sex. To argue she didn’t is just being dishonest. This negates the concept of a level playing field and renders her “accomplishments” meaningless.

The idea that “if a woman could compete well enough to play in a men’s division then she should be afforded the opportunity to do so” is COMPLETELY RIDICULOUS. Let’s take a look at the Olympics - is it fair to say that the Olympics is the PINNACLE of athletic achievement in THE WORLD for any given sport? How many female athletes are competing in Olympic Men’s Hockey? NONE, because there is a WOMAN’S hockey team. How about Short Track relays? MEN have 5000m relay and WOMEN only have a 3000m relay. So how many women are on the Men’s 5000m relay team? (after all, that particular event isn’t AVAILABLE to women, so naturally they should be allowed to compete there, right?) Oh wait - there are NO WOMEN on the MEN’S 5000m relay! WHY NOT?! Because the Olympic committee doesn’t have it’s head shoved completely up it’s collective ASS like some people on this forum. If a woman “want’s” to compete in the Men’s 5000m relay SHE CAN’T! Why? BECAUSE SHE’S A WOMAN.

Now I’m SURE that all of the women who compete in the track and field events in the Olympics are faster than I am. I’m sure they are faster than the average team member on a Men’s HS track squad. Does that mean that she should compete on the Men’s team? NO, it means that she should win a GOLD MEDAL for WOMAN’S track!

The rest of the world understands the difference between men and women in sports. Why is it that in the United States we CONTINUOUSLY blur the lines between the sexes? Do people think that if we pass enough legislation or put enough quotas in professions traditionally held by men the the differences between the sexes will “magically” disappear? When will Feminists be satisfied? When they have COMPLETELY shattered gender roles in the name of “equality”? This country is BROKEN on so many levels and the fact that we are having a multi-page debate about this topic is a direct symptom.
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Track is not wrestling. But if a woman posts a top time in high school (never going to happen) WHY ON EARTH would she not make the team as a contributing member?

This girl contributed points to her teams. She has a winning record as a FRESHMAN in IOWA. Very impressive.

So you would support an amendment to the IHSAA rulebook barring women from playing in men’s sports?

Its very interesting to me that you pretend know what factors went into her getting to where she is without having seen her comepete. Sounds like an assumption that automatically denigrates the achievement of a woman without basis in fact or evidence.

Seems to me if its in the rules that a woman can wrestle you should be prepared to wrestle a woman. If you lose because you were psyched out then you were mentally WEAK and have something to work on for your next match.

And keep on crying about gender roles. What should a woman be restricted from doing AC? What is not an option because it doesn’t fit the norms you have arbitrarily determined?

It seems to me that for conservatives the liberty of a man to pursue happiness is more important than that of a woman.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:
I think earlier in the thread you spoke against protecting people’s self-esteems. Isn’t protecting women from real competition doing just that? Women/girls do not need protection. What they need is to be challenged and pushed harder. However with rampant sexism still around, the scenario you describe will still occur, but it will only persist as we keep protecting women/girls.[/quote]

I am assuming (questioning, not actually saying this is your position) you personally do not believe as a woman/girl that you do not need protection. And, that you’re not saying that all women/girls do not need protection?[/quote]

No I am saying that I personally do not need protection and that women/girls do not need protection. I was speaking in terms of protection from competition in my post but I think it applies outside of competition also. At least in parts of the world where we are not in the middle of a war.

Guys who have been raised that their role is to protect women need me to need protection however. But the reality is I don’t.

[quote]
Either way, even though I do think women can handle themselves most of the time (I have a very hands off approach to dealing with female problems), some kind of male protection may be called for from time to time. Plus, that is what family is for.[/quote]

(we’re straying from the topic) but I’ve managed my whole life without male protection. What I have had to protect myself from is males who have declared themselves my protector.

[quote]
I doubt that is the issue here, the issue is that she is female. And, it is not only an issue because she is a female but because we are men. We were raised different than women. [/quote] You can only speak about how you were raised. I know many men from different backgrounds and each were raised differently. A close friend of mine was raised by a single lesbian and no father present. You can`t speak to how he was raised.

But that said I was raised to bring love and babies to the world. Mom failed :stuck_out_tongue: Anyone is in the position to challenge how they were raised. But that takes balls that most don`t have.

Again, straying from the topic.

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As well, this kid had religious belief so not only was he respecting the young lady, but he was also protecting himself. [/quote]

I don’t believe the lady and her interests were factored at all in this. I’m not saying she should have been. But her beliefs were obviously that she should compete with him so he was clearly not respecting hers. He’s not responsible for any beliefs but his own. Guys in this position are in a shitty spot no doubt. So are the girls. There is no fair way any way you cut it. I don’t have any judgment for the guy here. It’s the guys here saying they were doing her a favour or honouring her or such shit I would question.

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[quote]Eli B wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:
It’s not often that BC and I are on the same side of an argument! LOL

All this talk about how she earned her spot fair and square is flawed. She is a female and got treated differently than her male counterparts ON SOME LEVEL to get where she did. Whether it be by a millisecond hesitation because she’s female, or an attempt to “beat her gently”, the additional psychological pressure to to not lose to a girl, or any one a hundred small concessions/advantages made due to her being a member of the fairer sex. To argue she didn’t is just being dishonest. This negates the concept of a level playing field and renders her “accomplishments” meaningless.

The idea that “if a woman could compete well enough to play in a men’s division then she should be afforded the opportunity to do so” is COMPLETELY RIDICULOUS. Let’s take a look at the Olympics - is it fair to say that the Olympics is the PINNACLE of athletic achievement in THE WORLD for any given sport? How many female athletes are competing in Olympic Men’s Hockey? NONE, because there is a WOMAN’S hockey team. How about Short Track relays? MEN have 5000m relay and WOMEN only have a 3000m relay. So how many women are on the Men’s 5000m relay team? (after all, that particular event isn’t AVAILABLE to women, so naturally they should be allowed to compete there, right?) Oh wait - there are NO WOMEN on the MEN’S 5000m relay! WHY NOT?! Because the Olympic committee doesn’t have it’s head shoved completely up it’s collective ASS like some people on this forum. If a woman “want’s” to compete in the Men’s 5000m relay SHE CAN’T! Why? BECAUSE SHE’S A WOMAN.

Now I’m SURE that all of the women who compete in the track and field events in the Olympics are faster than I am. I’m sure they are faster than the average team member on a Men’s HS track squad. Does that mean that she should compete on the Men’s team? NO, it means that she should win a GOLD MEDAL for WOMAN’S track!

The rest of the world understands the difference between men and women in sports. Why is it that in the United States we CONTINUOUSLY blur the lines between the sexes? Do people think that if we pass enough legislation or put enough quotas in professions traditionally held by men the the differences between the sexes will “magically” disappear? When will Feminists be satisfied? When they have COMPLETELY shattered gender roles in the name of “equality”? This country is BROKEN on so many levels and the fact that we are having a multi-page debate about this topic is a direct symptom.
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Track is not wrestling. But if a woman posts a top time in high school (never going to happen) WHY ON EARTH would she not make the team as a contributing member?

This girl contributed points to her teams. She has a winning record as a FRESHMAN in IOWA. Very impressive.

So you would support an amendment to the IHSAA rulebook barring women from playing in men’s sports?

Its very interesting to me that you pretend know what factors went into her getting to where she is without having seen her comepete. Sounds like an assumption that automatically denigrates the achievement of a woman without basis in fact or evidence.

Seems to me if its in the rules that a woman can wrestle you should be prepared to wrestle a woman. If you lose because you were psyched out then you were mentally WEAK and have something to work on for your next match.

And keep on crying about gender roles. What should a woman be restricted from doing AC? What is not an option because it doesn’t fit the norms you have arbitrarily determined?

It seems to me that for conservatives the liberty of a man to pursue happiness is more important than that of a woman.[/quote]

You keep going to her ability, the question “should she be able to wrestle” does not have anything to do with her ability or her merit.

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[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:
I think earlier in the thread you spoke against protecting people’s self-esteems. Isn’t protecting women from real competition doing just that? Women/girls do not need protection. What they need is to be challenged and pushed harder. However with rampant sexism still around, the scenario you describe will still occur, but it will only persist as we keep protecting women/girls.[/quote]

I am assuming (questioning, not actually saying this is your position) you personally do not believe as a woman/girl that you do not need protection. And, that you’re not saying that all women/girls do not need protection?[/quote]

No I am saying that I personally do not need protection and that women/girls do not need protection. I was speaking in terms of protection from competition in my post but I think it applies outside of competition also. At least in parts of the world where we are not in the middle of a war.

Guys who have been raised that their role is to protect women need me to need protection however. But the reality is I don’t.

[quote]
Either way, even though I do think women can handle themselves most of the time (I have a very hands off approach to dealing with female problems), some kind of male protection may be called for from time to time. Plus, that is what family is for.[/quote]

(we’re straying from the topic) but I’ve managed my whole life without male protection. What I have had to protect myself from is males who have declared themselves my protector.

[quote]
I doubt that is the issue here, the issue is that she is female. And, it is not only an issue because she is a female but because we are men. We were raised different than women. [/quote] You can only speak about how you were raised. I know many men from different backgrounds and each were raised differently. A close friend of mine was raised by a single lesbian and no father present. You can`t speak to how he was raised.

But that said I was raised to bring love and babies to the world. Mom failed :stuck_out_tongue: Anyone is in the position to challenge how they were raised. But that takes balls that most don`t have.

Again, straying from the topic.

[quote]
As well, this kid had religious belief so not only was he respecting the young lady, but he was also protecting himself. [/quote]

I don’t believe the lady and her interests were factored at all in this. I’m not saying she should have been. But her beliefs were obviously that she should compete with him so he was clearly not respecting hers. He’s not responsible for any beliefs but his own. Guys in this position are in a shitty spot no doubt. So are the girls. There is no fair way any way you cut it. I don’t have any judgment for the guy here. It’s the guys here saying they were doing her a favour or honouring her or such shit I would question.[/quote]

Well, I suppose you can question if you wish, but her right is not to wrestle this guy (as I am sure you know rights include another party, which has an obligation to them). He believed he was respecting her (keeping her pure in his eyes and I’m sure other’s eyes, I suppose) and keeping himself pure, as well as honoring his parents as I am sure they have told them that men shouldn’t hit/hurt women.

As well, on top of that. The girl in question wishes she could wrestle girls instead of dudes.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

You keep going to her ability, the question “should she be able to wrestle” does not have anything to do with her ability or her merit.[/quote]

So women have their place in the world, but it is certainly not on the wrestling mat, huh?

Too bad the best states for the sport in the U.S. disagree with you.

Too bad you forfeited too. Now you will never know whether or not you would have won.

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TL;DNR

Picture relevant

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I feel sorry for the boys put in this situation. It is a lose-lose for them. IF they win they lose, if they lose the REALLY lose.

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[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:
I think earlier in the thread you spoke against protecting people’s self-esteems. Isn’t protecting women from real competition doing just that? Women/girls do not need protection. What they need is to be challenged and pushed harder. However with rampant sexism still around, the scenario you describe will still occur, but it will only persist as we keep protecting women/girls.[/quote]

I am assuming (questioning, not actually saying this is your position) you personally do not believe as a woman/girl that you do not need protection. And, that you’re not saying that all women/girls do not need protection?[/quote]

No I am saying that I personally do not need protection and that women/girls do not need protection. I was speaking in terms of protection from competition in my post but I think it applies outside of competition also. At least in parts of the world where we are not in the middle of a war.

Guys who have been raised that their role is to protect women need me to need protection however. But the reality is I don’t.

[quote]
Either way, even though I do think women can handle themselves most of the time (I have a very hands off approach to dealing with female problems), some kind of male protection may be called for from time to time. Plus, that is what family is for.[/quote]

(we’re straying from the topic) but I’ve managed my whole life without male protection. What I have had to protect myself from is males who have declared themselves my protector.

[quote]
I doubt that is the issue here, the issue is that she is female. And, it is not only an issue because she is a female but because we are men. We were raised different than women. [/quote] You can only speak about how you were raised. I know many men from different backgrounds and each were raised differently. A close friend of mine was raised by a single lesbian and no father present. You can`t speak to how he was raised.

But that said I was raised to bring love and babies to the world. Mom failed :stuck_out_tongue: Anyone is in the position to challenge how they were raised. But that takes balls that most don`t have.

Again, straying from the topic.

[quote]
As well, this kid had religious belief so not only was he respecting the young lady, but he was also protecting himself. [/quote]

I don’t believe the lady and her interests were factored at all in this. I’m not saying she should have been. But her beliefs were obviously that she should compete with him so he was clearly not respecting hers. He’s not responsible for any beliefs but his own. Guys in this position are in a shitty spot no doubt. So are the girls. There is no fair way any way you cut it. I don’t have any judgment for the guy here. It’s the guys here saying they were doing her a favour or honouring her or such shit I would question.[/quote]

Okay, a rabid dog attacks you and your (nonexistant) boyfriend (not saying you’re ugly, just a feminist). Who do you expect to fight it? Can you grab it by the neck, throw it to the ground and choke the life out of it?
What about fishing? Are you strong enough to haul a net in? Reel in a shark?
And then there’s hunting. Sure you could shoot the thing, but how are you getting it home? Helicopter?
I’m sorry, but men are simply more able to do certain things.

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[quote]Alex Good wrote:

Okay, a rabid dog attacks you and your (nonexistant) boyfriend (not saying you’re ugly, just a feminist). Who do you expect to fight it? Can you grab it by the neck, throw it to the ground and choke the life out of it?
What about fishing? Are you strong enough to haul a net in? Reel in a shark?
And then there’s hunting. Sure you could shoot the thing, but how are you getting it home? Helicopter?
I’m sorry, but men are simply more able to do certain things.
[/quote]

So sexism is the new cycle of ignorance on T-Nation? What if the woman lifts weights? What if the woman shoots the dog/has a bat or pepper spray.

Yes men are on average much stronger. So women aren’t allowed to fish now?

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[quote]Alex Good wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]debraD wrote:
I think earlier in the thread you spoke against protecting people’s self-esteems. Isn’t protecting women from real competition doing just that? Women/girls do not need protection. What they need is to be challenged and pushed harder. However with rampant sexism still around, the scenario you describe will still occur, but it will only persist as we keep protecting women/girls.[/quote]

I am assuming (questioning, not actually saying this is your position) you personally do not believe as a woman/girl that you do not need protection. And, that you’re not saying that all women/girls do not need protection?[/quote]

No I am saying that I personally do not need protection and that women/girls do not need protection. I was speaking in terms of protection from competition in my post but I think it applies outside of competition also. At least in parts of the world where we are not in the middle of a war.

Guys who have been raised that their role is to protect women need me to need protection however. But the reality is I don’t.

[quote]
Either way, even though I do think women can handle themselves most of the time (I have a very hands off approach to dealing with female problems), some kind of male protection may be called for from time to time. Plus, that is what family is for.[/quote]

(we’re straying from the topic) but I’ve managed my whole life without male protection. What I have had to protect myself from is males who have declared themselves my protector.

[quote]
I doubt that is the issue here, the issue is that she is female. And, it is not only an issue because she is a female but because we are men. We were raised different than women. [/quote] You can only speak about how you were raised. I know many men from different backgrounds and each were raised differently. A close friend of mine was raised by a single lesbian and no father present. You can`t speak to how he was raised.

But that said I was raised to bring love and babies to the world. Mom failed :stuck_out_tongue: Anyone is in the position to challenge how they were raised. But that takes balls that most don`t have.

Again, straying from the topic.

[quote]
As well, this kid had religious belief so not only was he respecting the young lady, but he was also protecting himself. [/quote]

I don’t believe the lady and her interests were factored at all in this. I’m not saying she should have been. But her beliefs were obviously that she should compete with him so he was clearly not respecting hers. He’s not responsible for any beliefs but his own. Guys in this position are in a shitty spot no doubt. So are the girls. There is no fair way any way you cut it. I don’t have any judgment for the guy here. It’s the guys here saying they were doing her a favour or honouring her or such shit I would question.[/quote]

Okay, a rabid dog attacks you and your (nonexistant) boyfriend (not saying you’re ugly, just a feminist). Who do you expect to fight it? Can you grab it by the neck, throw it to the ground and choke the life out of it?
What about fishing? Are you strong enough to haul a net in? Reel in a shark?
And then there’s hunting. Sure you could shoot the thing, but how are you getting it home? Helicopter?
I’m sorry, but men are simply more able to do certain things.[/quote]

But what if a rabid dog-shark attacked her while she was trying to reel in a helicopter? She’d be screwed then I tell ya.

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I’m done with this thread. Some people get it, some don’t. Whatever.

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[quote]Eli B wrote:

[quote]Alex Good wrote:

Okay, a rabid dog attacks you and your (nonexistant) boyfriend (not saying you’re ugly, just a feminist). Who do you expect to fight it? Can you grab it by the neck, throw it to the ground and choke the life out of it?
What about fishing? Are you strong enough to haul a net in? Reel in a shark?
And then there’s hunting. Sure you could shoot the thing, but how are you getting it home? Helicopter?
I’m sorry, but men are simply more able to do certain things.
[/quote]

So sexism is the new cycle of ignorance on T-Nation? What if the woman lifts weights? What if the woman shoots the dog/has a bat or pepper spray.

Yes men are on average much stronger. So women aren’t allowed to fish now?[/quote]

Let me tell you a little story…
Once upon a time I was a weak, fat slob who hadn’t worked out a day in his life. I could still outlift the girls who trained regularly.

Oh and you aren’t likely to be carrying a gun or bat around and the pepper spray won’t save you.

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And feel free to fish, just stick to things that won’t pull you in and eat you.

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[quote]Eli B wrote:

[quote]Alex Good wrote:

Okay, a rabid dog attacks you and your (nonexistant) boyfriend (not saying you’re ugly, just a feminist). Who do you expect to fight it? Can you grab it by the neck, throw it to the ground and choke the life out of it?
What about fishing? Are you strong enough to haul a net in? Reel in a shark?
And then there’s hunting. Sure you could shoot the thing, but how are you getting it home? Helicopter?
I’m sorry, but men are simply more able to do certain things.
[/quote]

So sexism is the new cycle of ignorance on T-Nation? What if the woman lifts weights? What if the woman shoots the dog/has a bat or pepper spray.

Yes men are on average much stronger. So women aren’t allowed to fish now?[/quote]

I think I’m pretty screwed if the dog has a bat or pepper spray.